Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Does Jerry Angelo take stupid pills? Why won?t he accept the Redskins offer of Lance Briggs and the 31st draft pick for the 6th pick? This is way better than Jay Mariotti?s ?clump of lint? Angelo got for Thomas Jones.Multiple sources have confirmed that Redskins owner Dan Synder has offered the Bears the 6th pick in the draft for Briggs and the Bears 1st round pick, the 31st selection. According to the point system teams use in their draft war rooms, the 6th pick is worth 1,600 points and the 31st is worth 600. The 1,000-point difference is equivalent to the 16th selection. This is far more than what Briggs is worth. Washington would be the one getting a clump of lint.According to Angelo, the 6th pick in the draft will require giving a bonus double what they will be paying Briggs in 2007, $7.2 million. Sounds like Halas Hall is focusing on profits and not winning. They have about $20 million under the cap right now. Letting Briggs go would free up another $7.2 million. Furthermore, a draft pick?s bonus, or any player?s bonus for that matter does not count to the cap in a lump sum unless he?s cut.Synder is a fool to be offering this. Angelo should realize this and take the deal. He can figure out what to do with the pick later. Having the 6th pick gives him more ammunition than the 31st pick. Briggs and his agent Drew Rosenhaus will certainly make a stink and destroy the Bears season the way he and T.O. did to the Eagles in 2005. He has said he won?t report to the team until week 10 so he can get service and prevent the Bears from putting the franchise tag for 2 more years at linebackers salaries. He sounds very serious about this and will likely make good on the threat. The third year the tag is used, the salary has to be the average of the 5 highest paid players regardless of position.No one can fault Briggs for doing what he?s doing. He?s trying to look out for his best interests. No contracts are guaranteed in the NFL, only the signing bonus. And in the sport of football, where a player?s career can end with one misstep or one vicious hit, Briggs is simply trying to get a market value deal to set him up for life. He played for 4 years at a salary of $700,000 each year. By not reporting until week 10, Briggs reduces his risk of injury while getting service under NFL rules.According to Angelo, the money needed to commit to the 6th pick would interfere with their plans to lock up Peanut Tillman, Nathan Vasher, Bernard Berrian, and Tommie Harris, who by the way, is also a Rosenhaus client. It leads to wonder, given how the Bears have handled the situations with Jones, another Rosenhaus client, if Tommie Harris will want to stay with the Bears.Angelo should realize only Synder would be foolish enough to make such an offer. Synder doesn?t get the concept of building the team through the draft. The Bears do. Who cares if Synder is going to throw Briggs a mega contract? He always does this. It?s how he beat the Bears to recently acquired safety Adam Archuleta last off-season. Furthermore, it should be noted that Briggs is merely a by-product of Urlacher?s freakish abilities, as were Warrick Holdman and Roosevelt Colvin while Dick Juaron was the coach.With the 6th pick in the draft, the Bears would be in prime position to take Ohio State Receiver Ted Ginn and improve the offense and return game. Or perhaps Angelo could trade down, get 2 first round picks, and still be in position to draft Ginn. His stock has fallen a bit recently, and he is now projected as a mid 1st-round pick. With that extra pick, the Bears can use it on Penn State linebacker Paul Posluzny to replace Briggs, while also being able to take Ginn?s college teammate running back Antonio Pittman at pick 37. Jerry Angelo is a shrewd negotiator when it comes to making draft day deals, and will likely find a way to pull off a deal.Letting Briggs go sounds better with each passing day. The Bears should do it now before Briggs destroys the season T.O. style later. NEXT QUESTION!!
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Does Jerry Angelo take stupid pills? Why won?t he accept the Redskins offer of Lance Briggs and the 31st draft pick for the 6th pick? This is way better than Jay Mariotti?s ?clump of lint? Angelo got for Thomas Jones.Multiple sources have confirmed that Redskins owner Dan Synder has offered the Bears the 6th pick in the draft for Briggs and the Bears 1st round pick, the 31st selection. According to the point system teams use in their draft war rooms, the 6th pick is worth 1,600 points and the 31st is worth 600. The 1,000-point difference is equivalent to the 16th selection. This is far more than what Briggs is worth. Washington would be the one getting a clump of lint.According to Angelo, the 6th pick in the draft will require giving a bonus double what they will be paying Briggs in 2007, $7.2 million. Sounds like Halas Hall is focusing on profits and not winning. They have about $20 million under the cap right now. Letting Briggs go would free up another $7.2 million. Furthermore, a draft pick?s bonus, or any player?s bonus for that matter does not count to the cap in a lump sum unless he?s cut.Synder is a fool to be offering this. Angelo should realize this and take the deal. He can figure out what to do with the pick later. Having the 6th pick gives him more ammunition than the 31st pick. Briggs and his agent Drew Rosenhaus will certainly make a stink and destroy the Bears season the way he and T.O. did to the Eagles in 2005. He has said he won?t report to the team until week 10 so he can get service and prevent the Bears from putting the franchise tag for 2 more years at linebackers salaries. He sounds very serious about this and will likely make good on the threat. The third year the tag is used, the salary has to be the average of the 5 highest paid players regardless of position.No one can fault Briggs for doing what he?s doing. He?s trying to look out for his best interests. No contracts are guaranteed in the NFL, only the signing bonus. And in the sport of football, where a player?s career can end with one misstep or one vicious hit, Briggs is simply trying to get a market value deal to set him up for life. He played for 4 years at a salary of $700,000 each year. By not reporting until week 10, Briggs reduces his risk of injury while getting service under NFL rules.According to Angelo, the money needed to commit to the 6th pick would interfere with their plans to lock up Peanut Tillman, Nathan Vasher, Bernard Berrian, and Tommie Harris, who by the way, is also a Rosenhaus client. It leads to wonder, given how the Bears have handled the situations with Jones, another Rosenhaus client, and Briggs, if Tommie Harris will want to stay with the Bears.Angelo should realize only Synder would be foolish enough to make such an offer. Synder doesn?t get the concept of building the team through the draft. The Bears do. Who cares if Synder is going to throw Briggs a mega contract? He always does this. It?s how he beat the Bears to recently acquired safety Adam Archuleta last off-season. Furthermore, it should be noted that Briggs is merely a by-product of Urlacher?s freakish abilities, as were Warrick Holdman and Roosevelt Colvin while Dick Juaron was the coach.With the 6th pick in the draft, the Bears would be in prime position to take Ohio State Receiver Ted Ginn and improve the offense and return game. Or perhaps Angelo could trade down, get 2 first round picks, and still be in position to draft Ginn. His stock has fallen a bit recently, and he is now projected as a mid 1st-round pick. With that extra pick, the Bears can use it on Penn State linebacker Paul Posluzny to replace Briggs, while also being able to take Ginn?s college teammate running back Antonio Pittman at pick 37. Jerry Angelo is a shrewd negotiator when it comes to making draft day deals, and will likely find a way to pull off a deal.Letting Briggs go sounds better with each passing day. The Bears should do it now before Briggs destroys the season T.O. style later. NEXT QUESTION!!
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Great article. Bears need to take the offer quickly before Snyder realizes how bad it is for him and the Skins. Dont know why the Bears would want Ginn, he's overrated and they already have Hester for the return game. However if they really like him they can do as you said and trade down once or twice to pick up mulitple picks and fill some holes.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Thank you. The part about Ginn, I put that. I think Ginn would do good on the Bears. He is too fast to pass up, and is still learning the WR position. That is the big thing. B/c if you look at what he's doing right now, and then realize he still hasn't gotten the position down-pat, it's going to be scary what he can do. Plus, Hester is going to be getting the Barry Bonds treatment of football. Teams are going to keep kicking away from Hester, not giving him a chance. Hester and Ginn makes it a pick your poison scenario. But yeah, it could be possible to trade down, still get Ginn, and have an extra pick
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! While the Bears would be winning in the deal, people need to stop saying the Redskins are stupid for this.Look at it from this perspective:At pick 6 the Redskins can have:Gaines Adams / Jamaal AndersonAt pick 31 the Redskins can have:Lance BriggsJarvis Moss / Charles Johnson / Victor AbiamiriAnd the 2nd option will cost less money.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>While the Bears would be winning in the deal, people need to stop saying the Redskins are stupid for this.Look at it from this perspective:At pick 6 the Redskins can have:Gaines Adams / Jamaal AndersonAt pick 31 the Redskins can have:Lance BriggsJarvis Moss / Charles Johnson / Victor AbiamiriAnd the 2nd option will cost less money.</div>The Second Option doesn't cost any less money when you factor in that Briggs new deal would have at least a 20 Million Signing Bonus and likely more money then Brian Urlacher is currently making. The draft pick might cost less, but overall they'd be spending more money.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ Mar 28 2007, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does Jerry Angelo take stupid pills? Why won?t he accept the Redskins offer of Lance Briggs and the 31st draft pick for the 6th pick? This is way better than Jay Mariotti?s ?clump of lint? Angelo got for Thomas Jones.Multiple sources have confirmed that Redskins owner Dan Synder has offered the Bears the 6th pick in the draft for Briggs and the Bears 1st round pick, the 31st selection. According to the point system teams use in their draft war rooms, the 6th pick is worth 1,600 points and the 31st is worth 600. The 1,000-point difference is equivalent to the 16th selection. This is far more than what Briggs is worth. Washington would be the one getting a clump of lint.According to Angelo, the 6th pick in the draft will require giving a bonus double what they will be paying Briggs in 2007, $7.2 million. Sounds like Halas Hall is focusing on profits and not winning. They have about $20 million under the cap right now. Letting Briggs go would free up another $7.2 million. Furthermore, a draft pick?s bonus, or any player?s bonus for that matter does not count to the cap in a lump sum unless he?s cut.Synder is a fool to be offering this. Angelo should realize this and take the deal. He can figure out what to do with the pick later. Having the 6th pick gives him more ammunition than the 31st pick. Briggs and his agent Drew Rosenhaus will certainly make a stink and destroy the Bears season the way he and T.O. did to the Eagles in 2005. He has said he won?t report to the team until week 10 so he can get service and prevent the Bears from putting the franchise tag for 2 more years at linebackers salaries. He sounds very serious about this and will likely make good on the threat. The third year the tag is used, the salary has to be the average of the 5 highest paid players regardless of position.No one can fault Briggs for doing what he?s doing. He?s trying to look out for his best interests. No contracts are guaranteed in the NFL, only the signing bonus. And in the sport of football, where a player?s career can end with one misstep or one vicious hit, Briggs is simply trying to get a market value deal to set him up for life. He played for 4 years at a salary of $700,000 each year. By not reporting until week 10, Briggs reduces his risk of injury while getting service under NFL rules.According to Angelo, the money needed to commit to the 6th pick would interfere with their plans to lock up Peanut Tillman, Nathan Vasher, Bernard Berrian, and Tommie Harris, who by the way, is also a Rosenhaus client. It leads to wonder, given how the Bears have handled the situations with Jones, another Rosenhaus client, and Briggs, if Tommie Harris will want to stay with the Bears.Angelo should realize only Synder would be foolish enough to make such an offer. Synder doesn?t get the concept of building the team through the draft. The Bears do. Who cares if Synder is going to throw Briggs a mega contract? He always does this. It?s how he beat the Bears to recently acquired safety Adam Archuleta last off-season. Furthermore, it should be noted that Briggs is merely a by-product of Urlacher?s freakish abilities, as were Warrick Holdman and Roosevelt Colvin while Dick Juaron was the coach.With the 6th pick in the draft, the Bears would be in prime position to take Ohio State Receiver Ted Ginn and improve the offense and return game. Or perhaps Angelo could trade down, get 2 first round picks, and still be in position to draft Ginn. His stock has fallen a bit recently, and he is now projected as a mid 1st-round pick. With that extra pick, the Bears can use it on Penn State linebacker Paul Posluzny to replace Briggs, while also being able to take Ginn?s college teammate running back Antonio Pittman at pick 37. Jerry Angelo is a shrewd negotiator when it comes to making draft day deals, and will likely find a way to pull off a deal.Letting Briggs go sounds better with each passing day. The Bears should do it now before Briggs destroys the season T.O. style later. NEXT QUESTION!!</div>You so wrote this, I can tell by your ideas for the draft, and the Jay Mariotti type tone where you think you know better then everyone else. lol- Agreed, The Bears need to accept this deal, not only are they not going to get a better offer, but they are by far the winners in this deal. - You're saying he's another Rosevelt Colvin like that's a bad thing. Colvin has been one very good linebacker the past few years for the Patriots. Granted, I wouldn't trade a Mid First Round value for Rosevelt Colvin so they'd definately be overpaying for him, but he's a solid player nontheless. And Warrick Holdman was nowheres near as good as Colvin/Briggs were when he played with the Bears so that's not a really valid comparison. He'd be closer to Hillenmeyer.- Your draft scenario is laughable man. Not a single team in the Top 10 should even be considering Ted Ginn Jr, especially considering it's doubtful he will even be able to participate in a Full Workout before the draft. Nevermind the fact that he's terribly overrated in comparison to the other Top WR Prospects. He has nowheres near the level of production or WR skills the other Top Wide Recievers do, and is just overrated because of a sweet 40 time, and the Bears already have their burner in Berrian.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>While the Bears would be winning in the deal, people need to stop saying the Redskins are stupid for this.Look at it from this perspective:At pick 6 the Redskins can have:Gaines Adams / Jamaal AndersonAt pick 31 the Redskins can have:Lance BriggsJarvis Moss / Charles Johnson / Victor AbiamiriAnd the 2nd option will cost less money.</div>Yes. 100% agreed. I would much much rather have the best LB core in the league and pick up a great defensive end than not having the best LB core and still only pick up a great DE. Rumors from Washington are that if the trade goes down, the Redskins will play a lot of 3-4 next year, so Marshall and McIntosh can rotate in. Plus, that way, Daniels can play his natural position: 3-4 DE.And Adams/Anderson will probably be busts (one of them will).
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Are you kidding? Washington would suck as a 3-4 team. Andre Carter is 265 and would be an OLB in the 3-4, and the rest of their line (Daniels, Salave'a, Griffin) isn't exactly a great looking line on paper. They'd get pushed back at the line and all the Redskins 'terrific linebackers' would be engulfed by Offensive Lineman. Not to mention who would you draft to help them? Carriker will be gone by the time they ever get around to pick, and most of the lineman like Moss and Abiamiri only really fit as a Linebacker in the 3-4, so they only lineman they could draft at 31 which would make any sense is Justin Harrell.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Daniels is basically a DT, and so is Wynn. Our only true DE's are Carter and MAYBE Evans. Playing both 3-4 and 4-3 would allow us to do what we do best with Gregg Williams. Having a lot of packages with different "starters" in each formation. Carter would always play DE when we played 4-3 and would play some OLB in some 3-4 packages. And we could draft both a big DE or DT, either Daniels gets benched or Griffin (who is awesome FYI) would play 3-4 DE.BUT, we went off-topic here...
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Mar 29 2007, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>While the Bears would be winning in the deal, people need to stop saying the Redskins are stupid for this.Look at it from this perspective:At pick 6 the Redskins can have:Gaines Adams / Jamaal AndersonAt pick 31 the Redskins can have:Lance BriggsJarvis Moss / Charles Johnson / Victor AbiamiriAnd the 2nd option will cost less money.</div>The Second Option doesn't cost any less money when you factor in that Briggs new deal would have at least a 20 Million Signing Bonus and likely more money then Brian Urlacher is currently making. The draft pick might cost less, but overall they'd be spending more money.</div>I disagree. The amount it costs to sign a top pick has balooned more than the amount it costs to pay a Free Agent. Combined Briggs + late first rounder would be less (maybe even, but doubtful). Plus, it fills two roster spots and not one, so that's money not going elsewhere.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. The amount it costs to sign a top pick has balooned more than the amount it costs to pay a Free Agent. Combined Briggs + late first rounder would be less (maybe even, but doubtful). Plus, it fills two roster spots and not one, so that's money not going elsewhere.</div>All numbers are from RotoworldVernon Davis (#6 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 23 million deal.Pacman Jones (#6 Overall in 2005) signed a 5 year, 30 million deal.orThe Redskins made a Contract Offer to Briggs worth 7.5 million per year with 20 million Guaranteed. Lance Briggs reportatbly wants a 9 year, 63.8 Million Doller Contract.PlusKelly Jennings (#31 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 9.7 million contract.Mike Patterson (#31 Overall the Year before) signed a 5 year, 6.6 million contractWho is going to be paid more?
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Mar 29 2007, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. The amount it costs to sign a top pick has balooned more than the amount it costs to pay a Free Agent. Combined Briggs + late first rounder would be less (maybe even, but doubtful). Plus, it fills two roster spots and not one, so that's money not going elsewhere.</div>All numbers are from RotoworldVernon Davis (#6 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 23 million deal.Pacman Jones (#6 Overall in 2005) signed a 5 year, 30 million deal.orThe Redskins made a Contract Offer to Briggs worth 7.5 million per year with 20 million Guaranteed. Lance Briggs reportatbly wants a 9 year, 63.8 Million Doller Contract.PlusKelly Jennings (#31 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 9.7 million contract.Mike Patterson (#31 Overall the Year before) signed a 5 year, 6.6 million contractWho is going to be paid more?</div>For this, you got to look at which player they draft. Dasis signed for 7 million less than Pacman, more than likely because his position is less valuable. If the Bears drafted Brady Quinn (which I wouldn't be surprised if they did), he'd cost a lot more than if they drafted Gaines Adams or whoever else they'd want, due to the fact QB's get paid a lot more than most positions.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Mar 29 2007, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Mar 29 2007, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. The amount it costs to sign a top pick has balooned more than the amount it costs to pay a Free Agent. Combined Briggs + late first rounder would be less (maybe even, but doubtful). Plus, it fills two roster spots and not one, so that's money not going elsewhere.</div>All numbers are from RotoworldVernon Davis (#6 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 23 million deal.Pacman Jones (#6 Overall in 2005) signed a 5 year, 30 million deal.orThe Redskins made a Contract Offer to Briggs worth 7.5 million per year with 20 million Guaranteed. Lance Briggs reportatbly wants a 9 year, 63.8 Million Doller Contract.PlusKelly Jennings (#31 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 9.7 million contract.Mike Patterson (#31 Overall the Year before) signed a 5 year, 6.6 million contractWho is going to be paid more?</div>For this, you got to look at which player they draft. Dasis signed for 7 million less than Pacman, more than likely because his position is less valuable. If the Bears drafted Brady Quinn (which I wouldn't be surprised if they did), he'd cost a lot more than if they drafted Gaines Adams or whoever else they'd want, due to the fact QB's get paid a lot more than most positions.</div>Regardless, I think it's pretty safe to say that even if a Quarterback was selected in that spot, including inflation, we're not looking at a overall contract of more then 40 million which would include less then 20 million Guaranteed. Both of which would be less money then what Lance Briggs is looking at getting in this market.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Mar 29 2007, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Mar 29 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. The amount it costs to sign a top pick has balooned more than the amount it costs to pay a Free Agent. Combined Briggs + late first rounder would be less (maybe even, but doubtful). Plus, it fills two roster spots and not one, so that's money not going elsewhere.</div>All numbers are from RotoworldVernon Davis (#6 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 23 million deal.Pacman Jones (#6 Overall in 2005) signed a 5 year, 30 million deal.orThe Redskins made a Contract Offer to Briggs worth 7.5 million per year with 20 million Guaranteed. Lance Briggs reportatbly wants a 9 year, 63.8 Million Doller Contract.PlusKelly Jennings (#31 Overall Last Year) signed a 5 year, 9.7 million contract.Mike Patterson (#31 Overall the Year before) signed a 5 year, 6.6 million contractWho is going to be paid more?</div>Bonus Cash matters more. Last year Vernon got 15 mil guaranteed, Jennings got 5. That's 20 right there. So It'll be more this year. Plus whatever the team is paying the guy to fill the empty spot.And even if I'm wrong, the Redskins still end up with more talent.
Re: TRADE BRIGGS!! Interesting observation. I think the Bears think that Briggs and the 31st is more value then the 6th pick. Briggs is pro-bowl caliber. They don't know how the 6th pick will turn out.
