It's the first game of the year, and I'm watching the game. Pavano is pitching well, hitting his spots. Carl Crawford was able to steal on a breaking ball, Posada wasn't able to get the ball out of his gloce cleanly and didn't even make the throw.It's sunny with no clouds, on a high popup in foul territory A-Rod wasn't able to make the catch. He was charged with an error despite the fact that the ball was so hard to see neither Posada nor Pavano were able to spot it in the sun and didn't even try and make a play on it. That'll teach A-Rod to try and make a catch that no one else can make..... bullshit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Apr 2 2007, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's go Rays!</div>You a Rays fan?
End of the Game. Rivera throws 98 and 99 MPH fastballs and cutters, getting three straight K's for the win.Farnsworth was throwing 100 and 101 MPH gas as well.A-Rod hit the game-winning RBI and extended the lead with a 2-run HR.The Bullpen is so strong, once we had the lead late the D-Rays never had a chance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 2 2007, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's sunny with no clouds, on a high popup in foul territory A-Rod wasn't able to make the catch. He was charged with an error despite the fact that the ball was so hard to see neither Posada nor Pavano were able to spot it in the sun and didn't even try and make a play on it. That'll teach A-Rod to try and make a catch that no one else can make..... bullshit.</div> :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: It was a routine play man. Neither Posada or Pavano made an effort to get the ball because it was obvious that A-Rod should have come down with it. I also think it's funny as hell that A-Rod got boo'ed after his very first at-bat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 2 2007, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 2 2007, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's sunny with no clouds, on a high popup in foul territory A-Rod wasn't able to make the catch. He was charged with an error despite the fact that the ball was so hard to see neither Posada nor Pavano were able to spot it in the sun and didn't even try and make a play on it. That'll teach A-Rod to try and make a catch that no one else can make..... bullshit.</div> :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: It was a routine play man. Neither Posada or Pavano made an effort to get the ball because it was obvious that A-Rod should have come down with it. I also think it's funny as hell that A-Rod got boo'ed after his very first at-bat.</div>Watch Posada and Pavano. Neither of them were tracking the ball well. No one was going to make that catch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 2 2007, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 2 2007, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's sunny with no clouds, on a high popup in foul territory A-Rod wasn't able to make the catch. He was charged with an error despite the fact that the ball was so hard to see neither Posada nor Pavano were able to spot it in the sun and didn't even try and make a play on it. That'll teach A-Rod to try and make a catch that no one else can make..... bullshit.</div> :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: It was a routine play man. Neither Posada or Pavano made an effort to get the ball because it was obvious that A-Rod should have come down with it. I also think it's funny as hell that A-Rod got boo'ed after his very first at-bat.</div>it was about 10 feet from home plate...if posada had seen it, he would have at least moved in that direction
The Red Sox looked awful today, the Yankees pitching is a mess. This is the Jays year, and I can feel it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XxGhostxX @ Apr 2 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Red Sox looked awful today, the Yankees pitching is a mess. This is the Jays year, and I can feel it.</div>The Yankees' Pen is awesome, and our rotation is top 5 in the AL.
Red Sox offense aint that good. They just got Ortiz and Manny. Sure they have improving pitching roation but their offense isnt as good it used to be. That was funny they lost to the royals. pretty embrassing to say the least
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 3 2007, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XxGhostxX @ Apr 2 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Red Sox looked awful today, the Yankees pitching is a mess. This is the Jays year, and I can feel it.</div>The Yankees' Pen is awesome, and our rotation is top 5 in the AL.</div>How can you say that? Maybe it has the potential to be top 5, but it sure as hell isn't right now.Pavano has had one good year, and didn't even do good today. If he's your opening day starter, you're screwed.Wang is a pretty good pitcher, and will get his fair share of W's.. but a lot of those will be due to their bats winning games.Moose is probably not going to do as well as last year, but he'll still win his 13-15.Pettitte is another guy who will probably die of old age soon, but he's not bad.Igawa hasn't proven anything in the major yet, so I don't know why you think he's so good.And you have fucking Darrell Rasner as your #5 right now. He is garbage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Apr 3 2007, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 3 2007, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XxGhostxX @ Apr 2 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Red Sox looked awful today, the Yankees pitching is a mess. This is the Jays year, and I can feel it.</div>The Yankees' Pen is awesome, and our rotation is top 5 in the AL.</div>How can you say that? Maybe it has the potential to be top 5, but it sure as hell isn't right now.Pavano has had one good year, and didn't even do good today. If he's your opening day starter, you're screwed.Wang is a pretty good pitcher, and will get his fair share of W's.. but a lot of those will be due to their bats winning games.Moose is probably not going to do as well as last year, but he'll still win his 13-15.Pettitte is another guy who will probably die of old age soon, but he's not bad.Igawa hasn't proven anything in the major yet, so I don't know why you think he's so good.And you have fucking Darrell Rasner as your #5 right now. He is garbage.</div>Our Starters were 4th in ERA in the AL last year, and we've improved our rotation since then.
Top 5 rotation?LMFAO!.......That HAS to be a joke. The Yankees have one of the worst rotations in the league right now. The only guy you have that is Cy Young Material is Wang. I haven't seen Igawa pitch. I'd like to see him go through the Jays lineup few times before I judge on him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XxGhostxX @ Apr 3 2007, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top 5 rotation?LMFAO!.......That HAS to be a joke. The Yankees have one of the worst rotations in the league right now. The only guy you have that is Cy Young Material is Wang. I haven't seen Igawa pitch. I'd like to see him go through the Jays lineup few times before I judge on him.</div>Andy Pettitte was or wasn't an upgrade over Randy Johnson?Key Igawa might or might not be stellar, but he's more than likely an upgrade over Jaret Wright.And we had no 5th starter last year until we traded for Lidle, and God rest his soul he wasn't stellar with a 5.16 ERA. Rasner can't do much worse, and if he does you can bet we'll be pulling up this guy called Phil Hughes....
Wang = 15-20 winsMussina = 14-18 winsPettite 14-18 winsIgawa = 8-10 winsPavano/anyoneelseincasehegetsinjured = 5-10 winsthats a good starting rotation. And so waht if some wins are because of offense...in case you didnt know, offense influecnes pitching and vice versa. wins are wins. the only person in BoSox rotation that i trust ius Schilling. Beckett is garbage. Matsuzaka is just as untested as Igawa. Wakefield is at least 45, and really fell of last year....and whos theiur #5??? toronto has a beast of a starting rotation. I love halladay. Chacin is garbage, and Burnett is inconsistent. Who else do they have...josh towers...okay...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Apr 3 2007, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wang = 15-20 winsMussina = 14-18 winsPettite 14-18 winsIgawa = 8-10 winsPavano/anyoneelseincasehegetsinjured = 5-10 winsthats a good starting rotation. And so waht if some wins are because of offense...in case you didnt know, offense influecnes pitching and vice versa. wins are wins. the only person in BoSox rotation that i trust ius Schilling. Beckett is garbage. Matsuzaka is just as untested as Igawa. Wakefield is at least 45, and really fell of last year....and whos theiur #5??? toronto has a beast of a starting rotation. I love halladay. Chacin is garbage, and Burnett is inconsistent. Who else do they have...josh towers...okay...</div>I don't trust Schilling. After watching him get rocked by the Royals, he reminded me of watching Randy Johnson. When he's on he's on, but when is he going to be on?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Apr 3 2007, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wang = 15-20 winsMussina = 14-18 winsPettite 14-18 winsIgawa = 8-10 winsPavano/anyoneelseincasehegetsinjured = 5-10 winsthats a good starting rotation. And so waht if some wins are because of offense...in case you didnt know, offense influecnes pitching and vice versa. wins are wins. the only person in BoSox rotation that i trust ius Schilling. Beckett is garbage. Matsuzaka is just as untested as Igawa. Wakefield is at least 45, and really fell of last year....and whos theiur #5??? toronto has a beast of a starting rotation. I love halladay. Chacin is garbage, and Burnett is inconsistent. Who else do they have...josh towers...okay...</div>Personally, I think Wang is being a bit overrated by you guys. Yeah, he had 19 wins last season and a Good ERA of 3.63, But he also has a very Poor BAA at .277, a Mediocre 1.31 WHIP, and Terrible K/9 of only 3.14 which to me shows that he was rather lucky last season. When you let that many base-runners on, and then let the rest of them make contract, it's only a matter of time before those runs begin crossing home. Is he a good pitcher? Sure. But he has alot more to show me before I'd consider him a Legit Ace. Also, I really don't see how you can Pencil in Pettitte either for 14-18 wins considering he put up a 4.20 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP in the National League last year and is now re-making the transition back to the American League with the DH, so that's bound to rise. Is it possible? Sure, but I'd think 10-15 wins is a much more reasonable prediction at this point. On the flip side though, I think your projection for Pavano if he is healthy is way too low. He's a decent pitcher who will win some games for you. I don't think a good 10 wins, if not more considering the Yankees Lineup, is out of the Question. As for the other Rotations, I tend to think Beckett and Burnett will fare much better in their Second Seasons in the American League, as many other pitchers do much better the Second Year in the American League. I don't think any of their 3 rotations is as great as their fans make them out to be though.
Only Brandon Webb has a better sinker than Wang. Established hitters in the AL have described hitting his sinker as "hitting a bowling ball"....it goes straight in to the ground. Barring some extended delay in his injury, you can pencil him in for AT LEAST 15 wins. Maybe my pettite estimation was a bit high, but i think he will do better on the Yankees because hes mroe comfortable here. He only went to Houston cuz he has a mancrush on Clemens. Maybe your right about pavano, i dont trust him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 4 2007, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Apr 3 2007, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wang = 15-20 winsMussina = 14-18 winsPettite 14-18 winsIgawa = 8-10 winsPavano/anyoneelseincasehegetsinjured = 5-10 winsthats a good starting rotation. And so waht if some wins are because of offense...in case you didnt know, offense influecnes pitching and vice versa. wins are wins. the only person in BoSox rotation that i trust ius Schilling. Beckett is garbage. Matsuzaka is just as untested as Igawa. Wakefield is at least 45, and really fell of last year....and whos theiur #5??? toronto has a beast of a starting rotation. I love halladay. Chacin is garbage, and Burnett is inconsistent. Who else do they have...josh towers...okay...</div>Personally, I think Wang is being a bit overrated by you guys. Yeah, he had 19 wins last season and a Good ERA of 3.63, But he also has a very Poor BAA at .277, a Mediocre 1.31 WHIP, and Terrible K/9 of only 3.14 which to me shows that he was rather lucky last season. When you let that many base-runners on, and then let the rest of them make contract, it's only a matter of time before those runs begin crossing home. Is he a good pitcher? Sure. But he has alot more to show me before I'd consider him a Legit Ace. Also, I really don't see how you can Pencil in Pettitte either for 14-18 wins considering he put up a 4.20 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP in the National League last year and is now re-making the transition back to the American League with the DH, so that's bound to rise. Is it possible? Sure, but I'd think 10-15 wins is a much more reasonable prediction at this point. On the flip side though, I think your projection for Pavano if he is healthy is way too low. He's a decent pitcher who will win some games for you. I don't think a good 10 wins, if not more considering the Yankees Lineup, is out of the Question. As for the other Rotations, I tend to think Beckett and Burnett will fare much better in their Second Seasons in the American League, as many other pitchers do much better the Second Year in the American League. I don't think any of their 3 rotations is as great as their fans make them out to be though.</div>You can't hold K's against Wang. He's not a K pitcher. He's a stone-ball thrower. He throws to force people to ground out. Either you hit a dribbler into the infield, or you let the K go through... so players swing and hit it, and ground ball to Jeter.... He's not a K pitcher because he doesn't try to be, not because he sucks.I'll give you his wins were more than they should have been. He should have only won 16 or 17 games last year. But that's still pretty good. And the lineup wil save 2 or 3 games for him this year as well.I never said Pettitte would be stellar, just better than RJ was last year. It's at the very least a wash. I ike Burnett, but I never liked Beckett. I smiled when the Red Sox signed him.Pavano will be better than our 5th starter last year..... no one for half a season and Lidle's 5+ ERA the 2nd half. Which I already said.
