Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? This was discussed on Mike and Mike, The Herd, and The Big Show. It was recently suggested that the NBA return to the envelope system. Where every team that doesn't make the playoffs (even those that just miss) get an equal shot at the number 1 overall pick.When the weighted lottery system was introduced, there was no free agency for teams to improve themselves with. It was the draft or nothing. Now with the teams admitting to tanking games to secure more ping pong balls in the lottery, can we really keep the same system?When there is no incentive to win games, why even bother to watch the game? To watch your young guys get experience while your team loses by 20?It was suggested that the NBA return to the 1-team, 1-shot system. Where winning isn't a penalty and losing isn't a bonus. Colin Cowherd went even further. He suggest you give better teams more of a chance to win the first overall pick. Saying that teams would then actually try to win every game on their schedule. Those games at the end would still have meaning for teams that were out of it. And teams would be rewarded for winning even when they don't make the playoffs.I agree with Colin. Not weight it heavily, but just enough to give teams incentive. Instead of an even 7.14% chance as it would stand if divided equally, you give the best team a 10% chance. Not reverse the current 25% at most, but just a little. The worst team would, instead, have a 5% chance to win it. And all the teams in the middle are weighted in between respective to their records.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? well, although i agree it should be changed, i still think the worst team in the league should have the best shot at the #1 pick. how can the memphis grizzlies not get the #1 pick, even if they tried to win they still suck.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Apr 17 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>well, although i agree it should be changed, i still think the worst team in the league should have the best shot at the #1 pick. how can the memphis grizzlies not get the #1 pick, even if they tried to win they still suck.</div>This would be equal to the Detroit Lions purposely losing the last 6 games of the season and admitting to not trying to win in the NFL, so that they can have a better draft pick.It's just not right.Now, the NFL draft is different with so many rounds and prospects. And 1 prospect doesn't make a team like it does in the NBA, so NFL teams don't do that. But how much sense, as a fan, does it make to watch a game where you know a team is losing intentionally?
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Apr 17 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>well, although i agree it should be changed, i still think the worst team in the league should have the best shot at the #1 pick. how can the memphis grizzlies not get the #1 pick, even if they tried to win they still suck.</div>I kinda agree that the worse record team should get the pick, to give a team that just missed the playoffs an equal chance as the team with the worst record in the league isn't fair to the teams that just plainly suck.I understand tanking games is an issue, but if the team is so bad that it is in a position where it needs to tank then they desperately need the Top pick anyways.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.</div>Why not reward teams for trying to win?
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? I read in my ESPN magazine an article about this and the guy had a GREAT idea. The season would end like 10 days early for seeds 1-6. Then, there would be a wilde card tournament, in which the 7th seed would play the 15th seed, the 8th would play the 14th, and so on. I'm pretty sure he said it would be best out of 3 (or 5). The two winners would make the real playoffs. The losers would enter the lottery with that whole 1 team 1 envelope system.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? If teams admit to tanking, they should be penalized, like losing draft picks.Another option is run a lotto for all picks instead of just the top 3, b/c right now, the worst team is guaranteed a top 4 pick no matter what. Running a lotto for all the picks, prevents tanking in an attempt to cut losses. Of course I'm talking about picks 1-14
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.</div>Why not reward teams for trying to win?</div>Parity. If the same team keeps winning, other teams will suffer with attendance and general fan interest. Just look at baseball. The Orioles can't sell out a game if they want to cause they're not winning. Is that a lack of trying or a lack of talent?
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2007, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.</div>Why not reward teams for trying to win?</div>Parity. If the same team keeps winning, other teams will suffer with attendance and general fan interest. Just look at baseball. The Orioles can't sell out a game if they want to cause they're not winning. Is that a lack of trying or a lack of talent?</div>Free Agency will provide enough parity on it's own.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.</div>Why not reward teams for trying to win?</div>Parity. If the same team keeps winning, other teams will suffer with attendance and general fan interest. Just look at baseball. The Orioles can't sell out a game if they want to cause they're not winning. Is that a lack of trying or a lack of talent?</div>It's Lack of Decent Ownership.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? [quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89927' date='Apr 18 2007, 03:42 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89921' date='Apr 18 2007, 04:11 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89891' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89887' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM']Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.[/quote]Why not reward teams for trying to win?[/quote]Parity. If the same team keeps winning, other teams will suffer with attendance and general fan interest. Just look at baseball. The Orioles can't sell out a game if they want to cause they're not winning. Is that a lack of trying or a lack of talent?[/quote]Free Agency will provide enough parity on it's own.[/quote]Basketball free agency is really bare. No team is going to let their star player hit free agency. And with only 12 people on a roster, 5 of which get little PT, and a bunch of overpaid bench players and role players (Kwame Brown 8 million), only scrubs and maybe 2-3 impact players hit FA. You can go over the cap (everything but free agency signings except MLE and LLE) in the NBA and not pay a high luxury tax. Last year, the biggest "impact" player was Ben Wallace and he's nothing special.Also, the bust ratio of draft picks is definitely higher. And with only 1 impact pick a year, a bust can set a team back since there are only 5 starters. It's not like baseball or the NFL where if you bust the #1, you have 21 other players to pick up the slack.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? [quote name='chang' post='89942' date='Apr 18 2007, 06:36 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89927' date='Apr 18 2007, 03:42 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89921' date='Apr 18 2007, 04:11 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89891' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89887' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM']Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.[/quote]Why not reward teams for trying to win?[/quote]Parity. If the same team keeps winning, other teams will suffer with attendance and general fan interest. Just look at baseball. The Orioles can't sell out a game if they want to cause they're not winning. Is that a lack of trying or a lack of talent?[/quote]Free Agency will provide enough parity on it's own.[/quote]Basketball free agency is really bare. No team is going to let their star player hit free agency. And with only 12 people on a roster, 5 of which get little PT, and a bunch of overpaid bench players and role players (Kwame Brown 8 million), only scrubs and maybe 2-3 impact players hit FA. You can go over the cap (everything but free agency signings except MLE and LLE) in the NBA and not pay a high luxury tax. Last year, the biggest "impact" player was Ben Wallace and he's nothing special.Also, the bust ratio of draft picks is definitely higher. And with only 1 impact pick a year, a bust can set a team back since there are only 5 starters. It's not like baseball or the NFL where if you bust the #1, you have 21 other players to pick up the slack.[/quote]Yeah, guys like Steve Nash, Marcus Camby, and Caron Butler are just role players.And like you said, it's not the NFL. 1 Player CAN turn around an entire team because there are only 5 starters.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? [quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89945' date='Apr 18 2007, 05:59 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89942' date='Apr 18 2007, 06:36 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89927' date='Apr 18 2007, 03:42 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89921' date='Apr 18 2007, 04:11 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='89891' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM'][quote name='chang' post='89887' date='Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM']Tanking is an issue but not to the extent that you should give everyone an equal shot at the top pick, let alone giving the best team the best shot. They should just give lotto teams equal numbers of ping-pong balls in the lottery.[/quote]Why not reward teams for trying to win?[/quote]Parity. If the same team keeps winning, other teams will suffer with attendance and general fan interest. Just look at baseball. The Orioles can't sell out a game if they want to cause they're not winning. Is that a lack of trying or a lack of talent?[/quote]Free Agency will provide enough parity on it's own.[/quote]Basketball free agency is really bare. No team is going to let their star player hit free agency. And with only 12 people on a roster, 5 of which get little PT, and a bunch of overpaid bench players and role players (Kwame Brown 8 million), only scrubs and maybe 2-3 impact players hit FA. You can go over the cap (everything but free agency signings except MLE and LLE) in the NBA and not pay a high luxury tax. Last year, the biggest "impact" player was Ben Wallace and he's nothing special.Also, the bust ratio of draft picks is definitely higher. And with only 1 impact pick a year, a bust can set a team back since there are only 5 starters. It's not like baseball or the NFL where if you bust the #1, you have 21 other players to pick up the slack.[/quote]Yeah, guys like Steve Nash, Marcus Camby, and Caron Butler are just role players.And like you said, it's not the NFL. 1 Player CAN turn around an entire team because there are only 5 starters.[/quote]There are 29 teams. And Camby is a role player (think he can really lead a team?). Butler is like Joe Johnson when he was on the Suns (put him on the Celtics, think he'll lead them to the playoffs when Paul Pierce can't?) and look at the state of the Hawks. One player CAN'T turn around an entire team into a contender.How can you turn around your team if you're not even given the opportunity to? Losing also makes free agents not want to talk to you. If you can't get a top FA and a good draft pick, what is the point of having a team that's doomed to suck forever?Besides, look at how teams turned around. Chris Bosh and the Raps, D-Wade and the Heat (even without Shaq), LeBron and the Cavs. Melo and the Nuggs. Deng, Gordon, Heinrich and the Bulls. Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Deron Williams and the Jazz. Chris Paul and the Hornets. Yao and Houston (even before T-Mac trade). Lotto teams getting good draft picks.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? LeBron didn't turn nobody around... the FA signings did.BTW there are 30 teams lol
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? haha right. I keep forgetting those stupid Bobcats.The Cavs went from #1 pick to just inside the lotto to a 42-40 team in 2 seasons. Last year's boost, obviously was the FA signings but would Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, and Donyell Marshall have signed if LeBron wasn't on the team?
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? Yeah, who WOULDN'T sign if LeBron wasn't on the team? That would make me the happiest man on earth if leBron left my team.And don't forget about the arrival of Drew Gooden, Eric Snow, and Anderson Varejao.
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 19 2007, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>haha right. I keep forgetting those stupid Bobcats.The Cavs went from #1 pick to just inside the lotto to a 42-40 team in 2 seasons. Last year's boost, obviously was the FA signings but would Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, and Donyell Marshall have signed if LeBron wasn't on the team?</div>Yes
Re: Should the NBA change it's draft system? btw, Cavs in 02-03 w/o LeBron. 17-65. 03-04 w/ LeBron, 35-47. 04-05 42-40 after losing Boozer but getting Gooden (anyone would take Booz over Good anyday)And the Bobcats, who have been in the top 10 picks the past 4 years. They suck because they want to lose. No need to point out the injuries and lack of superstar talent. Same goes for the Hawks.Would we be having this debate if Oden and Durant weren't in the draft? Owners and coaches are bitching cause they don't get a shot at either one.I really don't see how you guys think that all teams lose because they want to lose. It's like saying Jewish people wanted to die during the Holocaust.
