<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 3 2007, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Irvin 1988-1999 James Lofton 1978-1993</div>Those are all the WR's in the HoF. I can't say that I know many on that list, but if Irvin can make it, why couldn't Keyshawn? I think Keyshawn had a similar career to Jimmy Smith.</div>The only two in the past two decades of inductions, and Keyshawn isn't even close. I disagree wholeheartedly with an Irvin - Keyshawn comparison.
12 YRS Pro750 REC11,904 YDS15. 9 AVG65 TD11 YRS Pro814 REC10,571 YDS13.0 AVG64 TDStill think that way? I definitley think if Irvin was there, Keyshawn can make it. Keyshawn also had Troy Aikman, while Keyshawn has been stuck with Foley, Testaverde, Delhomme, etc.
Oh and Lofton seems worse than both...16 YRS Pro764 REC14,004 YDS18.3 AVG75 TDIf he can make it with only 764 catches in 16 years, why wouldn't Keyshawn be worthy? I'm not saying that he'd be a first ballot, we all know he wouldn't, but it seems you are giving him next to no credit for his career achievements.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 4 2007, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>12 YRS Pro750 REC11,904 YDS15. 9 AVG65 TD11 YRS Pro814 REC10,571 YDS13.0 AVG64 TDStill think that way? I definitley think if Irvin was there, Keyshawn can make it. Keyshawn also had Troy Aikman, while Keyshawn has been stuck with Foley, Testaverde, Delhomme, etc.</div> :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 4 2007, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>12 YRS Pro750 REC11,904 YDS15. 9 AVG65 TD11 YRS Pro814 REC10,571 YDS13.0 AVG64 TDStill think that way? I definitley think if Irvin was there, Keyshawn can make it. Keyshawn also had Troy Aikman, while Keyshawn has been stuck with Foley, Testaverde, Delhomme, etc.</div>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ May 5 2007, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:</div>?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 5 2007, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.</div>It takes greatness to put up numbers. Why's Peyton Manning great and headed to the Hall? Numbers. He's never been very clutch, but he's considered the best because of the numbers. Granted a few like Tom Brady who only works in the clutch, it still doesn't matter. A lot of guys are in the Hall because of numbers. 1,000 catches pretty much solidifies the Hall, no matter how long you play. 55,000 passing yards is almost a solid spot, etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 5 2007, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ May 5 2007, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:</div>?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 5 2007, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.</div>It takes greatness to put up numbers. Why's Peyton Manning great and headed to the Hall? Numbers. He's never been very clutch, but he's considered the best because of the numbers. Granted a few like Tom Brady who only works in the clutch, it still doesn't matter. A lot of guys are in the Hall because of numbers. 1,000 catches pretty much solidifies the Hall, no matter how long you play. 55,000 passing yards is almost a solid spot, etc.</div>You said Keyshawn also had Troy Aikman, while Keyshawn has been stuck with Foley, Testaverde, Delhomme, etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 5 2007, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know exactly what I meant you retard.</div>chill out dude. it was a joke. I do know what u meant
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 5 2007, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ May 5 2007, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:</div>?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 5 2007, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.</div>It takes greatness to put up numbers. Why's Peyton Manning great and headed to the Hall? Numbers. He's never been very clutch, but he's considered the best because of the numbers. Granted a few like Tom Brady who only works in the clutch, it still doesn't matter. A lot of guys are in the Hall because of numbers. 1,000 catches pretty much solidifies the Hall, no matter how long you play. 55,000 passing yards is almost a solid spot, etc.</div>So... Vinny T is a HOFer to you.... how nice.I just have higher standards I guess.
I'm saying he accomplished more in less years, why isn't he worthy? Testaverde's numbers are kind of bad for his like 400 years in the NFL. That's my point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 5 2007, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm saying he accomplished more in less years, why isn't he worthy? Testaverde's numbers are kind of bad for his like 400 years in the NFL. That's my point.</div>It's subjective. Keyshawn never made a difference.
Michael Irvin did? Shit, for all they cared, they could have handed off to Emmitt Smith like 40 times a game. Smith, to me, was overrated, but apparently that doesn't matter. Just because he holds the record for rushing yards in his career means he is an automatic god. That's the point I'm stressing. You have higher numbers, you're better regarded.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 5 2007, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.</div>I can somewhat see what you're saying. But if we go by what you're saying, why is Dan Marino in the Hall? Surely that's the only thing he has is numbers. Other than that...Nothing! Now that's if we went by anything other than numbers.Now I agree someone like Vinny T shouldn't go to the Hall. He has the numbers but he hasn't prove he was the focal point of an offense, say like Marino. He bounced around a lot and he played like 20 years and wasn't a proven winner but maybe twice in his career. The same with Bledsoe, even though he went to the Superbowl he hasn't proved anything. He has the numbers but I think you need both numbers and some sort of accomplishment...ie Superbowl, MVP's, Pro Bowls (not so much pro bowls) but hopeful you get the picture.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 6 2007, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Irvin did? Shit, for all they cared, they could have handed off to Emmitt Smith like 40 times a game. Smith, to me, was overrated, but apparently that doesn't matter. Just because he holds the record for rushing yards in his career means he is an automatic god. That's the point I'm stressing. You have higher numbers, you're better regarded.</div>I'm not sure why I'm even replying to this but you are truly a Redskins fan! Why in the world would you say that Emmitt Smith is overrated? Is it because he had a great line? First off don't penalize Emmitt Smith for having a great line. No one seem to penalize Joe Montanna for having a great line or for that matter, a great team. And if you know anything about football, I don't think many people view Emmitt Smith as the greatest running back or as you say, a god! Not even Cowboy fans think that he's the all time greatest. And as far as Michael Irvin, we all know he's had his problems, so there's no need for the picture. The fact of the matter is that he's going to the HOF, not only because of the numbers but because he was the difference in those Superbowl teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ May 8 2007, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure why I'm even replying to this but you are truly a Redskins fan! Why in the world would you say that Emmitt Smith is overrated? Is it because he had a great line? First off don't penalize Emmitt Smith for having a great line. And as far as Michael Irvin, we all know he's had his problems, so there's no need for the picture. The fact of the matter is that he's going to the HOF, not only because of the numbers but because he was the difference in those Superbowl teams.</div>Dumbass.Why not? I could have run for 1k yards a season behind those big bastards.No, he wasn't. You're just blindsided because you want another bitch that played for your team in the Hall. He did not carry the team at any point, never changed a SB around by himself, nothing of the sort.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ May 7 2007, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 5 2007, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.</div>I can somewhat see what you're saying. But if we go by what you're saying, why is Dan Marino in the Hall? Surely that's the only thing he has is numbers. Other than that...Nothing! Now that's if we went by anything other than numbers.Now I agree someone like Vinny T shouldn't go to the Hall. He has the numbers but he hasn't prove he was the focal point of an offense, say like Marino. He bounced around a lot and he played like 20 years and wasn't a proven winner but maybe twice in his career. The same with Bledsoe, even though he went to the Superbowl he hasn't proved anything. He has the numbers but I think you need both numbers and some sort of accomplishment...ie Superbowl, MVP's, Pro Bowls (not so much pro bowls) but hopeful you get the picture.</div>MVP's, Leading the league in many things many years in a row..... Yeah, Marino is in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ May 8 2007, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumbass.Why not? I could have run for 1k yards a season behind those big bastards.No, he wasn't. You're just blindsided because you want another bitch that played for your team in the Hall. He did not carry the team at any point, never changed a SB around by himself, nothing of the sort.</div>You truly can not reply to anything or anyone without cursing...Geez. Look you can make all the debate you want about Emmitt Smith, the fact of the matter he's a proven back and he deserve the Hall. As far as you running behind, as you say those big bastards, the only thing you can run 1K is is your mouth. As for Irving, the Cowboys would not have won those Superbowls without him! That's all I'm saying. He was valuable to the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 8 2007, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ May 7 2007, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 5 2007, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do think that way, because greatness isn't in the numbers. Terrell Davis should be a Hall of Famer IMO, but I don't think Tiki should be. Crazy, I know. But Greatness is not always in career numbers. If it were, Vinny T would be a sure-fire lock to be a HOFer.</div>I can somewhat see what you're saying. But if we go by what you're saying, why is Dan Marino in the Hall? Surely that's the only thing he has is numbers. Other than that...Nothing! Now that's if we went by anything other than numbers.Now I agree someone like Vinny T shouldn't go to the Hall. He has the numbers but he hasn't prove he was the focal point of an offense, say like Marino. He bounced around a lot and he played like 20 years and wasn't a proven winner but maybe twice in his career. The same with Bledsoe, even though he went to the Superbowl he hasn't proved anything. He has the numbers but I think you need both numbers and some sort of accomplishment...ie Superbowl, MVP's, Pro Bowls (not so much pro bowls) but hopeful you get the picture.</div>MVP's, Leading the league in many things many years in a row..... Yeah, Marino is in.</div>I wasn't trying to dispute you at all. Marino deserves it. I believe there are few people with numbers who deserve to be in, like Marino, Bruce Smith, those guys. But the ones like Bledsoe and Vinny I don't believe. I just don't believe in most cases that numbers should get you in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ May 8 2007, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You truly can not reply to anything or anyone without cursing...Geez. Look you can make all the debate you want about Emmitt Smith, the fact of the matter he's a proven back and he deserve the Hall. As far as you running behind, as you say those big bastards, the only thing you can run 1K is is your mouth. As for Irving, the Cowboys would not have won those Superbowls without him! That's all I'm saying. He was valuable to the team.</div>Is there a law where I'm not allowed to curse in a post? Emmitt Smith was overrated. You can't sit here and tell me that the offensive line was the best of it's era, and then tell me that Smith was a proven back. What happened when he got old and went to Arizona? He ran into the dirt, nothing more. Proven, no.Every person is valuable to a team. Practice squad, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, strings and so on all play a difference. Irvin wasn't a deciding factor.
