Listen to these first:Where does Derek Jeter rank All Time Among Yankees?Where does Derek Jeter Rank in the MLB today?Among the clips are a Boston fan saying "After Ortiz I'd take Jeter to start a team with above anyone else in the league" And a Braves fan saying "Derek Jeter is overrated because he can't carry a team while A-Rod can."What do you think? Please listen to the clips first so everyone is on the same page as to what was said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 24 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Listen to these first:Where does Derek Jeter rank All Time Among Yankees?Where does Derek Jeter Rank in the MLB today?Among the clips are a Boston fan saying "After Ortiz I'd take Jeter to start a team with above anyone else in the league" And a Braves fan saying "Derek Jeter is overrated because he can't carry a team while A-Rod can."What do you think? Please listen to the clips first so everyone is on the same page as to what was said.</div>Im too lazy to listen to the clips. But, On the All-Time Yankees, he definately ranks after people like Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Ford, and Berra. He's among the Second Tier of Yankees though among people like Maris, Mattingly, Rizzuto, Jackson and Guidry. Where does Jeter rank in the MLB today? Honestly, I have a hard time taking him over someone like Pujols, Howard, A-Rod, Ortiz, Guerrero, Morneau as they are all the complete package as a hitter in all aspects of that role. Even in Jeter's class though, I'd probably take players like Jose Reyes, Carl Crawford or Hanley Ramirez first. I'd probably end up ranking Jeter somewhere between 10 and 20 of hitters in the Major Leagues today. And that's not even including pitchers like Santana, Halladay, Peavy, or Oswalt. And if I was building a team from scratch I would likely pick somebody still in his Early 20's like a Jose Reyes, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Brian McCann, Felix Hernandez, Joe Mauer, Matt Cain or Cole Hamels (Man, there is alot of great, young, talent in the NL East). Hell, I could go on and on here with people like Dontrelle Willis, Prince Fielder, Jered Weaver, Justin Verlander, and Grady Sizemore as well. The reason being is that Jeter is essentially a Glorified One-Tool player. Great Contact Hitter with Average Power, Average Defense (Which is constantly overrated by the media), and Average Speed (Although to his credit he is still a force on the basepaths thanks to his ability to carefully pick and choose his spots). He is also a Good/Great Clutch Hitter, but if I'm building a team I need someone who can get my team to the playoffs over someone who shines when his teammates get him there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 25 2007, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 24 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Listen to these first:Where does Derek Jeter rank All Time Among Yankees?Where does Derek Jeter Rank in the MLB today?Among the clips are a Boston fan saying "After Ortiz I'd take Jeter to start a team with above anyone else in the league" And a Braves fan saying "Derek Jeter is overrated because he can't carry a team while A-Rod can."What do you think? Please listen to the clips first so everyone is on the same page as to what was said.</div>Im too lazy to listen to the clips. But, On the All-Time Yankees, he definately ranks after people like Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Ford, and Berra. He's among the Second Tier of Yankees though among people like Maris, Mattingly, Rizzuto, Jackson and Guidry. Where does Jeter rank in the MLB today? Honestly, I have a hard time taking him over someone like Pujols, Howard, A-Rod, Ortiz, Guerrero, Morneau as they are all the complete package as a hitter in all aspects of that role. Even in Jeter's class though, I'd probably take players like Jose Reyes, Carl Crawford or Hanley Ramirez first. I'd probably end up ranking Jeter somewhere between 10 and 20 of hitters in the Major Leagues today. And that's not even including pitchers like Santana, Halladay, Peavy, or Oswalt. And if I was building a team from scratch I would likely pick somebody still in his Early 20's like a Jose Reyes, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Brian McCann, Felix Hernandez, Joe Mauer, Matt Cain or Cole Hamels (Man, there is alot of great, young, talent in the NL East). Hell, I could go on and on here with people like Dontrelle Willis, Prince Fielder, Jered Weaver, Justin Verlander, and Grady Sizemore as well. The reason being is that Jeter is essentially a Glorified One-Tool player. Great Contact Hitter with Average Power, Average Defense (Which is constantly overrated by the media), and Average Speed (Although to his credit he is still a force on the basepaths thanks to his ability to carefully pick and choose his spots). He is also a Good/Great Clutch Hitter, but if I'm building a team I need someone who can get my team to the playoffs over someone who shines when his teammates get him there.</div>Listen to the clips.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ May 25 2007, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, Venom, do you agree with my note that Jeter is a horrible defender? The numbers don't lie.</div>It was my note about 12 months before you said something about it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 26 2007, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ May 25 2007, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, Venom, do you agree with my note that Jeter is a horrible defender? The numbers don't lie.</div>It was my note about 12 months before you said something about it.</div>Link please? I did some number crunching, found only 4 current SS w/ at least 1,000 innings there have worse range than Jeter
