And how the fuck do you see Obama as the candidate? That's an automatic loss of the preisdential election.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 10 2007, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And how the fuck do you see Obama as the candidate? That's an automatic loss of the preisdential election.</div>Because it's probably going to be either Clinton or Obama from the Democrats, and I view Obama as the lesser of 2 Evils. (Edwards is a distant third in Polls and I don't see him being able to make up close to enough ground).<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And just who, oh wise one, is the viable VP candidate who is also "Mr. Values"</div>I don't know, but that's not my decision to make either.
Obama's brilliant. If only the rest of the country could get past the fact that he's a different skin color (HEAVENS NO!) and he's not the typical whitebread baptist raised in the south. I just don't think i'll be able to stomach 4 more years of some conservative idiot like Bush.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 10 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama's brilliant. If only the rest of the country could get past the fact that he's a different skin color (HEAVENS NO!) and he's not the typical whitebread baptist raised in the south. I just don't think i'll be able to stomach 4 more years of some conservative idiot like Bush.</div>I don't think it's his skin color alone that bothers people. It's his name, his childhood, his beliefs, etc. As probably the only (very few otherwise) who read his book on here, he doesn't just not fit the skin color; he doesn't fit any standard for American President. The last president to have his young star quality and idealistic broad strokes mindset was Kennedy, but he had a lot more experience than Obama does as well as having the solid family values foundation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jun 11 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 10 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama's brilliant. If only the rest of the country could get past the fact that he's a different skin color (HEAVENS NO!) and he's not the typical whitebread baptist raised in the south. I just don't think i'll be able to stomach 4 more years of some conservative idiot like Bush.</div>I don't think it's his skin color alone that bothers people. It's his name, his childhood, his beliefs, etc. As probably the only (very few otherwise) who read his book on here, he doesn't just not fit the skin color; he doesn't fit any standard for American President. The last president to have his young star quality and idealistic broad strokes mindset was Kennedy, but he had a lot more experience than Obama does as well as having the solid family values foundation.</div>I just started his first book. It just makes me so angry that people would not vote for him based on the fact that- A. He's blackB. He grew up in a muslim school C. His name sounds differentespecially when right now he's the best candidate for president by far. The again, Kennedy was Catholic and still won.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 10 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because it's probably going to be either Clinton or Obama from the Democrats, and I view Obama as the lesser of 2 Evils. (Edwards is a distant third in Polls and I don't see him being able to make up close to enough ground).</div>Umm, yea as we've already established that he has enormous problems that will be exposed and become the automatic loss with the public. No one is going to vote for a black man that has practiced being a muslim at any point in their lives. The country will never vote a muslim into office in the next century or more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 11 2007, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 10 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because it's probably going to be either Clinton or Obama from the Democrats, and I view Obama as the lesser of 2 Evils. (Edwards is a distant third in Polls and I don't see him being able to make up close to enough ground).</div>Umm, yea as we've already established that he has enormous problems that will be exposed and become the automatic loss with the public. No one is going to vote for a black man that has practiced being a muslim at any point in their lives. The country will never vote a muslim into office in the next century or more.</div>Because idiots like you still think he's a muslim. :thumbsup:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 11 2007, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jun 11 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 10 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama's brilliant. If only the rest of the country could get past the fact that he's a different skin color (HEAVENS NO!) and he's not the typical whitebread baptist raised in the south. I just don't think i'll be able to stomach 4 more years of some conservative idiot like Bush.</div>I don't think it's his skin color alone that bothers people. It's his name, his childhood, his beliefs, etc. As probably the only (very few otherwise) who read his book on here, he doesn't just not fit the skin color; he doesn't fit any standard for American President. The last president to have his young star quality and idealistic broad strokes mindset was Kennedy, but he had a lot more experience than Obama does as well as having the solid family values foundation.</div>I just started his first book. It just makes me so angry that people would not vote for him based on the fact that- A. He's blackB. He grew up in a muslim school C. His name sounds differentespecially when right now he's the best candidate for president by far. The again, Kennedy was Catholic and still won.</div>Being raised a Catholic and being raised in a Muslim school at some point in your life is a huge difference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 11 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because idiots like you still think he's a muslim. :thumbsup:</div>I said he practiced the muslim religion, which probably means he's still muslim in one way or another. You don't usually go to a religious school for one religion and then convert later on. But apparently I'm an idiot, but do you actually think that Obama has a chance with that on his past record? Not a chance in hell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jun 10 2007, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 10 2007, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And how the fuck do you see Obama as the candidate? That's an automatic loss of the preisdential election.</div>Because it's probably going to be either Clinton or Obama from the Democrats, and I view Obama as the lesser of 2 Evils. (Edwards is a distant third in Polls and I don't see him being able to make up close to enough ground).</div>BTW, I looked it up, Edwards is leading the Polls in Iowa, and is third in New Hampshire. Iowa comes first, and if he holds steady and wins Iowa, that's a huge boost heading into NH. Think of it this way, Edwards is the leader in Iowa (leading by 3% with a 1.5% margain of error), but he's 3rd in NH and only 3% behind Obama. If he were to take Iowa, he would get the boost over Obama in NH as well. Even if Clinton holds her lead in NH, Edwards winning Iowa and finishing a strong 2nd in NH (While Obama finishes 3rd in both) would set him and Clinton apart as the duo to battle it out and putting major distance between Obama and themselves as "realistic candidates." Then it all comes down to who can win the battle between Edwards and Clinton. Clinton holds the lead in SC and Florida currently, but Edwards showing he is the only alternative (democratically) to Hilary he could swoop most of Obama's support depending on who Obama throws his weight behind. Obama throwing his weight behind either candidate would seal the deal for them (as well as likely solidify his VP cadidacy with them).EDIT:BTW, in case anyone was curious, Romney leads in Iowa polls by a scant 1.2%, but is dominating New Hampshire polls with an 8% lead. McCain is 2nd in both. A Romney candiacy would be tough for the Democrats, as he carries a TON of weight in the Great Lakes region (making an Obama VP candidacy almost an absolute need in order to retain the states like Ohio). Plus, as the Governor of Massachusetts, he carries a lot of weight in New England, meaning democrats would actually have to campaign there. Tag team him with someone with Southern appeal.... it's a tough beat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 11 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 11 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because idiots like you still think he's a muslim. :thumbsup:</div>I said he practiced the muslim religion, which probably means he's still muslim in one way or another. You don't usually go to a religious school for one religion and then convert later on. But apparently I'm an idiot, but do you actually think that Obama has a chance with that on his past record? Not a chance in hell.</div>Wait, so you're saying that if i go to a christian school because of limited school choices in my area and convert to islam later in life that i'm still christian? That doesn't make much sense. It's impossible to call him out on the fact that he grew up muslim because he's not muslim and it would be extremely stupid on the part of another candidate or organization at risk of disrespecting the muslim community. He is a practicing christian, not a muslim (not that it should matter if he IS a muslim which isn't the fact). And yes, I do think he has a chance with that on his past record.. I don't see why it matters that at one point in his life he was a muslim. At one point bush was a pot smoking idiot failing out of college while partying all day at his fraternity and ducking the draft. He's not any more (although he's still an idiot). Did that stop him?
Who gives a dam about what religion someone is?? Gay marriage and abortion are stupid issues. I don't like government that tells people how to live their life.
Thank you. Not everyone in america is as close-minded as you. No one gives a shit if he's a FORMER-muslim. If anything, he can truly say that he "found christ" rather than people who were born into a religion and went with it. It shows that he speaks for himself and doesn't base his thought off of what judgemental people think. And again.. How can anyone have a mud-slinging campaign against his FORMER religion? that would be politically incorrect and no candidate or organization would risk getting destroyed by the media by doing that. How can another candidate bring that up in a debate? "Hey Barack, your dad was muslim so you cant lead this country against radical muslim extremist terrorists." I'm sure the american public would love that.He won in a landslide in illinois, normally a swing state. Who says he cant win the rest of america? Is it that proposterous to have someone with a different color skin as our president? Are we that far in the dark ages that we cant accept a person with another fucking skin color despite the fact that he's the best candidate?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 12 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thank you. Not everyone in america is as close-minded as you. No one gives a shit if he's a FORMER-muslim. If anything, he can truly say that he "found christ" rather than people who were born into a religion and went with it. It shows that he speaks for himself and doesn't base his thought off of what judgemental people think. And again.. How can anyone have a mud-slinging campaign against his FORMER religion? that would be politically incorrect and no candidate or organization would risk getting destroyed by the media by doing that. How can another candidate bring that up in a debate? "Hey Barack, your dad was muslim so you cant lead this country against radical muslim extremist terrorists." I'm sure the american public would love that.He won in a landslide in illinois, normally a swing state. Who says he cant win the rest of america? Is it that proposterous to have someone with a different color skin as our president? Are we that far in the dark ages that we cant accept a person with another fucking skin color despite the fact that he's the best candidate?</div>Illinois is not a swing state. We are a heavy democratic state. Reagon only won it b/c he's from Illinois. And about the question if everyone here is white, the answer is no. I'm not white.
PPE, not to be mean or anything, but you must live in a very sheltered world if you believe that this country has gotten that far in racial/religious issues. Sure, a lot don't care but there is a significant group of people that would go against Barack and Hillary because of their race and sex. To believe otherwise is cutting off a major part of society. It would be taking the good without the bad when the country is a whole.I wonder if Hillary and Barack can even get their own votes. Hillary might be viewed by some woman as a power grabbing feminist (hence the jokes about her femininity complex on Comedy Central) while Barack may be viewed as "too white" for his race (hence all the jokes about his "blackness" on Comedy Central). And trust me, Comedy Central is a lot more influential on the young voter (which will be a huge key in winning states) than CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, or CNN can be.
(Cleaned up the Topic)Watch it. Nobody here is racist (That I know of, or want to know of), his point was simply that there are racists in this country who wouldn't vote for the guy just because of his skin color, and in an election that very well could be extremely close, that could be enough to cost him it. This country has come a far way in terms of helping to fix the racial divide, but not close to far enough.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 13 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PPE, not to be mean or anything, but you must live in a very sheltered world if you believe that this country has gotten that far in racial/religious issues. Sure, a lot don't care but there is a significant group of people that would go against Barack and Hillary because of their race and sex. To believe otherwise is cutting off a major part of society. It would be taking the good without the bad when the country is a whole.I wonder if Hillary and Barack can even get their own votes. Hillary might be viewed by some woman as a power grabbing feminist (hence the jokes about her femininity complex on Comedy Central) while Barack may be viewed as "too white" for his race (hence all the jokes about his "blackness" on Comedy Central). And trust me, Comedy Central is a lot more influential on the young voter (which will be a huge key in winning states) than CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, or CNN can be.</div>I live in redneckville in god damn north carolina where idiots have confederate flag bumper stickers on their f-250's right next to their #8 nascar decal. Don't give me sheltered world. As a whole, the country is not that racist, and believe me, I know some extremely racist people. The racist people in the US likely aren't very liberal and wouldn't vote for Obama anyways.. doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't think independent voters are going to think more about race than issues. But regardless of all that I DID say that he wouldn't be a great presidential candidate, rather a good Vice Presidential candidate. And for the record, If you think comedy central has that much of an influence, then the Daily show and Colbert Report (if people understand that its irony) will completely screw every republican candidate other than Ron Paul. Jon Stewart completely lights into Giuliani and Romney and McCain's just too easy for them to make fun of.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 14 2007, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 13 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PPE, not to be mean or anything, but you must live in a very sheltered world if you believe that this country has gotten that far in racial/religious issues. Sure, a lot don't care but there is a significant group of people that would go against Barack and Hillary because of their race and sex. To believe otherwise is cutting off a major part of society. It would be taking the good without the bad when the country is a whole.I wonder if Hillary and Barack can even get their own votes. Hillary might be viewed by some woman as a power grabbing feminist (hence the jokes about her femininity complex on Comedy Central) while Barack may be viewed as "too white" for his race (hence all the jokes about his "blackness" on Comedy Central). And trust me, Comedy Central is a lot more influential on the young voter (which will be a huge key in winning states) than CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, or CNN can be.</div>I live in redneckville in god damn north carolina where idiots have confederate flag bumper stickers on their f-250's right next to their #8 nascar decal. Don't give me sheltered world. As a whole, the country is not that racist, and believe me, I know some extremely racist people. The racist people in the US likely aren't very liberal and wouldn't vote for Obama anyways.. doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't think independent voters are going to think more about race than issues. But regardless of all that I DID say that he wouldn't be a great presidential candidate, rather a good Vice Presidential candidate. And for the record, If you think comedy central has that much of an influence, then the Daily show and Colbert Report (if people understand that its irony) will completely screw every republican candidate other than Ron Paul. Jon Stewart completely lights into Giuliani and Romney and McCain's just too easy for them to make fun of.</div>Whammy!
