Redneck areas aren't the only racist areas in America. The country as a whole still has pretty racist feelings. Why do you think every single racial comment gets blown up by the media? Cause RACE STILL MATTERS.The most populated parts of the country, urban areas, are pretty damn racist too. You hear on the news how black people say they won't vote for a white candidate cause they don't know about the black plight while you hear white people say they won't vote for a black candidate because they aren't raised upon the "white values." This is BALTIMORE CITY (don't live in the city but news covers it) and simply MAYOR elections. You think on a national basis, those people wouldn't make the same choices because "issues" matter?Presidential platform awareness has dropped tremendously since the era of the television. Fewer people are watching presidential debates each election and more and more people are voting based on 1 issue out of stem cell, abortion, or gay rights especially the young demographic who just don't have time to vote or care about the election. Don't think so? Think about the number of recently graduated high school seniors that work blue collar jobs yet have the right to vote. They work 2 jobs from 6:30 AM to 11 PM. Why would they care about politics when they simply have to care about providing for the family?Go to a high school. Ask how many people watch the news on a regular basis, 3-5 out of 30 GIFTED & TALENTED kids would say yes. Ask how many people watch the Colbert Report, Daily Show, Mind of Mencia, (and Dave Chappelle back in the day) etc. on Comedy Central on a regular basis, more than half would say yes.Plus, Colbert is a basher of the right wing, Stewart more the left wing (although both shows take shots at both sides the lean is there)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 16 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Redneck areas aren't the only racist areas in America. The country as a whole still has pretty racist feelings. Why do you think every single racial comment gets blown up by the media? Cause RACE STILL MATTERS.The most populated parts of the country, urban areas, are pretty damn racist too. You hear on the news how black people say they won't vote for a white candidate cause they don't know about the black plight while you hear white people say they won't vote for a black candidate because they aren't raised upon the "white values." This is BALTIMORE CITY (don't live in the city but news covers it) and simply MAYOR elections. You think on a national basis, those people wouldn't make the same choices because "issues" matter?Presidential platform awareness has dropped tremendously since the era of the television. Fewer people are watching presidential debates each election and more and more people are voting based on 1 issue out of stem cell, abortion, or gay rights especially the young demographic who just don't have time to vote or care about the election. Don't think so? Think about the number of recently graduated high school seniors that work blue collar jobs yet have the right to vote. They work 2 jobs from 6:30 AM to 11 PM. Why would they care about politics when they simply have to care about providing for the family?Go to a high school. Ask how many people watch the news on a regular basis, 3-5 out of 30 GIFTED & TALENTED kids would say yes. Ask how many people watch the Colbert Report, Daily Show, Mind of Mencia, (and Dave Chappelle back in the day) etc. on Comedy Central on a regular basis, more than half would say yes.Plus, Colbert is a basher of the right wing, Stewart more the left wing (although both shows take shots at both sides the lean is there)</div>I think if it came down to it and people actually sat down and took a look at the candidates, which will happen before 2008, Obama would have a fairly good chance of winning especially against the retards the republicans are putting up for nomination. At least in Baltimore you have people debating race in your mayor elections. It's not a choice here. No african-americans run here unless they are complete neo-cons which is rare. This is the home state of Jesse Helms. I do understand where you're coming from though. We do still live in a racist world from both sides of the racial spectrum. I just think that the american people aren't going to vote solely on race and will look at individual parts of the presidential platform that benefits them, at least in the states that matter.That single high school graduate does have a reason to care about the election if they really care about their living style and how each different candidate may complement it. You also have to remember that that person isn't going to vote if they dont care about the election.. how is that going to help of hurt obama and how does that tie into the race issue? And I don't know how much Daily Show you watch if you think Stewart leans to the right. I can tell you right now that Stewart did not vote for Bush and will not vote for the next republican candidate, especially if its Giuliani. Colbert has intense satire against the conservatives to the point that he makes his show like a satire of fox news blind patriotism. I am willing to bet that both of them are liberals outside of their work but like to diss everyone for the sake of viewership ratings and because they are "anti-politician". And plus if you cant make fun of yourself you shouldnt be able to make fun of anyone.
Seriously, when do you think Americans will sit and read or listen to the presidential candidates? This country is nothing except for some lazy bastards that make computers and other technology do everything for them. Go out and survey 100 people and see how many watch/listen to any presidential candidate speeches, debates, or any other source of info. And along with that, since next to no one will listen or read anything about issues in the presidential election, nobody cares about issues. Maybe a few major ones, but the people just want to see the main thing in the issue and how it would be resolved, they wouldn't go in depth. That pretty much leaves it down to race and which party you settle for based on your job and belief system of government. The country is pretty split on being Republican and Democratic. America has just become too lazy of a country to even care anymore about this kind of thing. They know it affects their life tremendously, yet it doesn't phaze anybody. Can you honestly say that a lot of people you know sit and listen to the news or go on the internet to research the topics and resolutions each candidate has? I know I can't name many, if any at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 15 2007, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 16 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Redneck areas aren't the only racist areas in America. The country as a whole still has pretty racist feelings. Why do you think every single racial comment gets blown up by the media? Cause RACE STILL MATTERS.The most populated parts of the country, urban areas, are pretty damn racist too. You hear on the news how black people say they won't vote for a white candidate cause they don't know about the black plight while you hear white people say they won't vote for a black candidate because they aren't raised upon the "white values." This is BALTIMORE CITY (don't live in the city but news covers it) and simply MAYOR elections. You think on a national basis, those people wouldn't make the same choices because "issues" matter?Presidential platform awareness has dropped tremendously since the era of the television. Fewer people are watching presidential debates each election and more and more people are voting based on 1 issue out of stem cell, abortion, or gay rights especially the young demographic who just don't have time to vote or care about the election. Don't think so? Think about the number of recently graduated high school seniors that work blue collar jobs yet have the right to vote. They work 2 jobs from 6:30 AM to 11 PM. Why would they care about politics when they simply have to care about providing for the family?Go to a high school. Ask how many people watch the news on a regular basis, 3-5 out of 30 GIFTED & TALENTED kids would say yes. Ask how many people watch the Colbert Report, Daily Show, Mind of Mencia, (and Dave Chappelle back in the day) etc. on Comedy Central on a regular basis, more than half would say yes.Plus, Colbert is a basher of the right wing, Stewart more the left wing (although both shows take shots at both sides the lean is there)</div>I think if it came down to it and people actually sat down and took a look at the candidates, which will happen before 2008, Obama would have a fairly good chance of winning especially against the retards the republicans are putting up for nomination. At least in Baltimore you have people debating race in your mayor elections. It's not a choice here. No african-americans run here unless they are complete neo-cons which is rare. This is the home state of Jesse Helms. I do understand where you're coming from though. We do still live in a racist world from both sides of the racial spectrum. I just think that the american people aren't going to vote solely on race and will look at individual parts of the presidential platform that benefits them, at least in the states that matter.That single high school graduate does have a reason to care about the election if they really care about their living style and how each different candidate may complement it. You also have to remember that that person isn't going to vote if they dont care about the election.. how is that going to help of hurt obama and how does that tie into the race issue? And I don't know how much Daily Show you watch if you think Stewart leans to the right. I can tell you right now that Stewart did not vote for Bush and will not vote for the next republican candidate, especially if its Giuliani. Colbert has intense satire against the conservatives to the point that he makes his show like a satire of fox news blind patriotism. I am willing to bet that both of them are liberals outside of their work but like to diss everyone for the sake of viewership ratings and because they are "anti-politician". And plus if you cant make fun of yourself you shouldnt be able to make fun of anyone.</div>Because statistically, blue collar workers are minorities.
Statistically more Americans agree with Ron Paul on more of the issues than any other Candidate, yet he trails in the polls. Proving that most people don't vote on the issues, they vote on the politics of it all. More people care that John Edwards got a couple of expensive haircuts than that he has the best plan to combat poverty. More Americans care Obama has non-traditional foundations than that he is the biggest broad strokes thinker of the group. In a perfect world, everyone would vote on which candidate they felt would do the most good for the country, but sadly we don't. In fact, the majority of voters don't vote on the issues. They vote on bumper sticker slogans and funny one-liners from press conferences.
I agree more with DJ Paul. He's a dawg that you cannot trust. If you leave your green around him, well, your green will get lit up. If you leave your drink around him your drink will get drunk up. Also, if you leave your girl around him.. well she's going to get stuck.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Jun 17 2007, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree more with DJ Paul. He's a dawg that you cannot trust. If you leave your green around him, well, your green will get lit up. If you leave your drink around him your drink will get drunk up. Also, if you leave your girl around him.. well she's going to get stuck.</div>Ha I wonder if the old timers will get this one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jun 17 2007, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Statistically more Americans agree with Ron Paul on more of the issues than any other Candidate, yet he trails in the polls. Proving that most people don't vote on the issues, they vote on the politics of it all. More people care that John Edwards got a couple of expensive haircuts than that he has the best plan to combat poverty. More Americans care Obama has non-traditional foundations than that he is the biggest broad strokes thinker of the group. In a perfect world, everyone would vote on which candidate they felt would do the most good for the country, but sadly we don't. In fact, the majority of voters don't vote on the issues. They vote on bumper sticker slogans and funny one-liners from press conferences.</div>Although last I checked, Hilary and Obama were leading in head to head polls with Edwards in a close 3rd. (Giuliani, McCain, and Romney following in that order). Apparently Bush's 28% approval rating is bringing down the other Republican candidates. It'll be interesting to watch this play out. That said, I agree with the whole problem of people not voting for the right reasons. People get wrapped up in all the stupid hoopla surrounding elections that they forget what will actually help him. People made such a big deal out of John Kerry's "flip-flopping" and the stupid neo-con veterans who told the media that Kerry didn't deserve his purple hearts that they re-elected Bush of all people.
Would you guys go against party lines and vote independent if MICHAEL BLOOMBERG runs for president?I personally hope he runs for president. If there's an independent candidate that has ever had a legit shot at winning, Bloomberg is the one. At a time where people have completely had it with bi-partisan politics, a candidate like Bloomberg, in my mind, could be a serious contender. We haven't seen a serious "3rd party" candidate that could really win since Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull-Moose Party BUT he did fall far short of winning. He's not like past independent candidates where they were too idealistic or simply wanted to persecute people. He's done a good job in New York City as far as I've heard (a few excerpts from MSN: he pushed aside the crony-ridden Board of Education and began directly trying to tame the teachers union, with some results measured in record high-school-graduation rates. banned smoking in bars and small restaurants and the use of trans fats in eateries. raised property taxes and made across-the-board spending cuts, even closing some firehouses. city finances are now sound.) He's no nonsense, get things solved before they become problems. In my eyes, that's much better than Guiliani who is just running on 9/11 and Clinton who's running on an overly idealistic platform.And in an election where Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani are the 2 leaders in the primaries... why wouldn't Bloomberg contend where he was elected overwhelmingly for his second term? For you New Yorkers on the board, who would you end up electing if those 3 New York candidates were the ones in the race for the presidency?
I seriously hope you are kidding that Bloomberg would even come close. He really hasn't done shit for NY schools at all except increase the amount of budget spending by upping taxes as you said. The ban for smoking in bars and all was an idea already in progress in the tri-state area. NJ has also done that, it was more of a group thought on that between governors and other state officials.He's better than having Guliani in there, I'll agree, but he isn't worth a president position. Guliani is the most overrated piece of shit there is in the political world because 9/11 happened when he was in office there. All he really did was run around and do interviews on updating the scene and telling how it was affecting certain parts of the country and city itself. He, in reality, did absolutely nothing. Now think of where you stand on Hilary. She's probably the best choice this country has at this point because she did have some say in the presidency of Bill. When Bill was president, the USA was coming out of debt beyond belief and the economy was at probably the highest point in its history. She'd be doing the same exact thing, if not close to it, as Bill was because she realizes that the country really thrived under his presidency. If she plans to differ a lot, she's a greedy bitch, but if she really cares about the position, she'll realize she needs the help of her husband.
