Congrats to the big guy :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2:Such a shame the White Sox had to treat him like shit
Yeah congrats to him. Heh, he also got tossed oout of the game for arguing a stikeout called against him.
Too bad he isn't even good. Props to him, but this doesn't make him great or anything. He sucks at everything else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 29 2007, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Too bad he isn't even good. Props to him, but this doesn't make him great or anything. He sucks at everything else.</div>WTF are you smoking!!?? I think Thomas is one of the 50 greatest hitters of all time in MLB
He's also probably top 5 slowest people ever to play baseball. That means he is useless for getting hits other than HR's or singles hit to deep parts of the park. He also was no good in the field, obviously the reason he's been a DH for like ever.So yea, he can smack HR's sometimes, but that doesn't make him a great player or even a hitter. Great hitters can run the bases to get the extra bases.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 30 2007, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's also probably top 5 slowest people ever to play baseball. That means he is useless for getting hits other than HR's or singles hit to deep parts of the park. He also was no good in the field, obviously the reason he's been a DH for like ever.So yea, he can smack HR's sometimes, but that doesn't make him a great player or even a hitter. Great hitters can run the bases to get the extra bases.</div>Man, he has a .303 Career Batting Average and a .423 Career On Base Percentage. He was a very good hitter in his career.Yeah, maybe he's nothing more then a DH, but he's been a very damn good DH.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 30 2007, 05:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's also probably top 5 slowest people ever to play baseball. That means he is useless for getting hits other than HR's or singles hit to deep parts of the park. He also was no good in the field, obviously the reason he's been a DH for like ever.So yea, he can smack HR's sometimes, but that doesn't make him a great player or even a hitter. Great hitters can run the bases to get the extra bases.</div>Speed is overrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 30 2007, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea? So you're telling me that baserunning is not important then, right?</div>I never said that.
ok, speed is important, and frank thomas is a future hall of famer. end of discussion. you need players like frank thomas, and you need players like jose reyes. done.
Speed is all overrated. On-Base Percentage is the most important factor, and Frank Thomas has it. These other tools, like speed, power, defense, etc., they're just an added bonus
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ Jul 2 2007, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Speed is all overrated. On-Base Percentage is the most important factor, and Frank Thomas has it. These other tools, like speed, power, defense, etc., they're just an added bonus</div>Okay Billy Beane. On an aside, what the hell made him the Ultimate GM in people's eyes. Yeah, he's made the playoffs despite a subpar payroll for many years, but where are his rings? Every single year he gets kicked out in the First Round (Only made 1 ALCS, and lost it, during his time as GM). Maybe if he did place an emphasis on Speed, Power, and/or Defense then he would have gotten his rings by now.To me there's got to be some balance. I'd rather have players who are good in 3 or 4 of those Categories then a player who is one-sided in his Approach, even if he's great in that one side. I'd rather have a Grady Sizemore who can put up Good Numbers in All Four Areas then a Derrek Lee who is an On-Base Machine with no real Power or Speed anymore. (Sorry, he was the best example I could find).
The Big Hurt..... 500 HR's might be the old benchmark for the HOF, but the new one is 600. He gets there he's golden, but I don't see him getting there, and to me the story of baseball can be told without him. Which is really what any HOF to me is: Can the story be told without him?. Yes, that means Jose Canseco is in, and Craig Biggio is out. To me, that's the way it should be. Is Buddy Holly in the Rock and Roll HOF for those decades of records? No, he's in it because he's the Father of Modern Rock and Roll, and standardized what a Rock Band consisted of (2 Guitars, 1 Drummer, 1 Bass player). You don't put in Rafael Palmero or any of the accumulators, you put in guys who, if you were telling the story of Baseball to a child, you just couldn't leave out. Which is why I also think Shoeless Joe and the Blacksocks should have their own little place in the Hall. Whether Joe Jackson cheated or didn't is irrelevent. The Blacksocks are infamous, and you can't tell the story without them. I'd rather they get in than guys like Palmero, Biggio, and Frank Thomas. If they were to make a 2 hour movie about the complete history of baseball, they'd be on the cutting room floor, and not in the movie. That's all I'm saying. Canseco makes it in the movie. Mark McGwire makes in the movie. Sammy Sosa makes it in the movie. Frank Thomas? Most likely not.
I'm not so sure it should be 600, but it shouldn't really be automatic at 500. If 600 were the new number, Sosa gets in and Griffery Jr. might not. He probably will regardless, but he will most likely hit 600 this year anyway.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Jul 2 2007, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If 600 is the new benchmark, well then damn. Not many people are getting in.</div>I didn't mean you needed 600 to get in, I meant it's the new "automatic in" number. Such as it used to be that if you had 500 home runs or 3000 hits, you were golden no matter what. I don't think 500 makes you golden anymore.
Ahh, I see. I cannot say I disagree with you there. But 500 still isn't something not to be impressed with, and if you can keep your average pretty good and get a good chunk of RBI (which you should with 500 HR) you should be a lock.
I don't think that you can just judge on a HR hitter by just that. Sure he's racked up a good avg and OBP, but he isn't great all around like a true HoF'er should be. He can't play defense or run the bases at all. In my opinion, you can't put a DH in the HoF for hitting HR's and getting singles.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jul 3 2007, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think that you can just judge on a HR hitter by just that. Sure he's racked up a good avg and OBP, but he isn't great all around like a true HoF'er should be. He can't play defense or run the bases at all. In my opinion, you can't put a DH in the HoF for hitting HR's and getting singles.</div>Weather you like it or not, being a DH is a part of the game now. Someone with a Career .300 Average, Career .400 OBP, and 500 Home Runs should be in the Hall of Fame, despite his flaws. We're talking about probably a Top 3 DH of all time (Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz probably being the other two), he should be in the Hall of Fame. Just my opinion.
