<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd rather have Malik Allen than Illic. Rod Benson looks like a fun player, but I don't see how he gets on this roster.</div></p> the same way shirley and burke got on the suns roster...by being funny guys, most likely good for chemistry. </p> </p> </div></p> </p> Two words...Donny Marshall</p> </p>
Actually, as a Bulls fan who saw Malik play a lot of his games for them, I think you guys are getting a very good backup/role player. He's something of a black hole (doesn't pass much), but he can hit shots from decent range. He should steal some of Jason Collins' minutes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'> But that only goes so far with a full roster:</p> 1. Kidd</p> 2. Vince</p> 3. RJ</p> 4. Krstic</p> 5. Magloire</p> 6. Marcus</p> 7. Antoine</p> 8. Boki</p> 9. Boone</p> 10. Collins</p> 11. Hite</p> 12. Deathblow</p> 13. Sean Williams</p> 14. Illic</p> </p> I'm not missing anyone am I? I could see Illic being dropped and picking up Malik. Then maybe we add a 15th, but we know how this ownership hates the luxury tax </p> </div></p> 13 guaranteed contracts...plus partial guarantee to Hite (a mere $20K)...and non guaranteed contracts to Benson, Allen and Cleaves plus whoever else is out there in Secaucus we dont know about. A training camp contract is a non guaranteed contract...whether its Benson or Allen. Allen and Cleaves cost more, but the contract is the same...not guaranteed til you make the club.</p> NBA teams gave out 15 partially guaranteed contracts last summer...with guarantees ranging from $7.5K to $150K...and exactly none of the 15 made the opening night rosters. A few went to the D-League and eventually got called up. So dont put too much faith in Hite's partial guarantee. </p> I still expect another signing of a PG and I would not be surprised if Ilic and Robinson were bought out or traded by opening night. Things are still in flux, not set yet.</p> And with the Nets, by our calculations at NetsDaily, about $218K under the cap, ANY pickup at 14 or 15 would cost tax money unless they can get creative. But again, Nets went into the last two seasons more than $2M over the tax threshold and didnt have to pay anything because they made smart trades with teams under the threshold. It wont be as easy this year with fewer teams under the threshold and those teams much closer to it than last year. That, I think, is why they want to go into this season either under the threshold or only minimally over it.</p> </p> </p> </p>
If he is a black hole, he will take Magloire's minutes since he doesnt pass much either...while Collins passes quite well in the Nets offense.
The Nets need a reliable, defensive minded combo guard who can shoot.</p> If there isn't anyone out there who fits this description and represents an upgrade over Robert Hite, I prefer they sign nobody.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> The Nets need a reliable, defensive minded combo guard who can shoot.</p> If there isn't anyone out there who fits this description and represents an upgrade over Robert Hite, I prefer they sign nobody.</p> </p></div> </p> ya, i agree, and i hope hite can fill that position next season successfully
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'>If he is a black hole, he will take Magloire's minutes since he doesnt pass much either...while Collins passes quite well in the Nets offense.</div></p> His shooting % is deceptive. I remember sooo many times wanting to yell at the TV because he wouldn't pass, but he made the shot. You want to see Gordon or Deng shoot, ya know?</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> The Nets need a reliable, defensive minded combo guard who can shoot.</p> If there isn't anyone out there who fits this description and represents an upgrade over Robert Hite, I prefer they sign nobody.</p> </p> </div></p> Not many of those guys left. Roger Mason may come closest to that description. </p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DoctorJay)</div><div class='quotemain'> I hope Malik makes the team, being the 'Nova homer I am. Very nice guy. I actually had a Geography class with him.</p> Plus, he's married to a a girl who I graduated with... Kara Saylor, class of '98. 2 years older than him.</p> Here's a pic of her from my 'Nova yearbook, if anyone cares:</p> </p> </p> </p></div> Maybe she should have married Scafidi. He's a doctor now and doing quite well.</p> http://www2.umdnj.edu/radpweb/residency/Cu...dents.htm</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> The Nets need a reliable, defensive minded combo guard who can shoot.</p> If there isn't anyone out there who fits this description and represents an upgrade over Robert Hite, I prefer they sign nobody.</p> </p> </div></p> Not many of those guys left. Roger Mason may come closest to that description. </p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> I think the best hope is a midseason trade or a hail-mary vet's minimum guy who is bought out during the season.</p> Until then, there's always the chance Hite can give them something.</p> I will say that if Mateen Cleaves actually plays for the Nets this season, it's an indicator that something has gone very wrong.</p> </p>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4cLcFAoc0</p> In that video it says he's going to Denvers camp. Either way, he looks detirmined.</p>
He is always laughing (Cleaves), which isn`t a bad thing. I like Allen, he can shot and play the role player off the bench. Great signing by Thorn. See, even if he is a bad player, Jason Kidd will mkae him so much better. Just like Kidd did with Mikki Moore, he can do the same with Allen.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DoctorJay)</div><div class='quotemain'> I hope Malik makes the team, being the 'Nova homer I am. Very nice guy. I actually had a Geography class with him.</p> Plus, he's married to a a girl who I graduated with... Kara Saylor, class of '98. 2 years older than him.</p> Here's a pic of her from my 'Nova yearbook, if anyone cares:</p> </p> </p> </p></div> Maybe she should have married Scafidi. He's a doctor now and doing quite well.</p> http://www2.umdnj.edu/radpweb/residency/Cu...dents.htm</p> </p></div> Wow, no kidding. Do you know him, or did you just Google him?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe)</div><div class='quotemain'> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4cLcFAoc0</p> In that video it says he's going to Denvers camp. Either way, he looks detirmined.</p> </div></p> That video was posted in June. The article on him being in Nets camp is two days old. </p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>When Marcus Williams is the backup PG, Cleaves has a chance</div></p> </p> Agreed, but I'm certain Marcus will improve from last season. He just hit that rookie wall mid-season, and never recovered from it. Now that he has more a feel playing in NBA, so I don't expect it to happen, especially if he wants to make a name for himself. </p> Kidd does stun Williams' growth, but Marcus has the opportunity to see what it's really like to play the point guard position. To learn from one of the best, will only make him excel, so for his own sake, he better be taking notes. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>When Marcus Williams is the backup PG, Cleaves has a chance</div></p> </p> Agreed, but I'm certain Marcus will improve from last season. He just hit that rookie wall mid-season, and never recovered from it. Now that he has more a feel playing in NBA, so I don't expect it to happen, especially if he wants to make a name for himself. </p> Kidd does stun Williams' growth, but Marcus has the opportunity to see what it's really like to play the point guard position. To learn from one of the best, will only make him excel, so for his own sake, he better be taking notes. </p> </p> </div></p> Williams' summer performance was discouraging.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>When Marcus Williams is the backup PG, Cleaves has a chance</div></p> </p> Agreed, but I'm certain Marcus will improve from last season. He just hit that rookie wall mid-season, and never recovered from it. Now that he has more a feel playing in NBA, so I don't expect it to happen, especially if he wants to make a name for himself. </p> Kidd does stun Williams' growth, but Marcus has the opportunity to see what it's really like to play the point guard position. To learn from one of the best, will only make him excel, so for his own sake, he better be taking notes. </p> </p> </div></p> Williams' summer performance was discouraging. </p> </p> </div></p> </p> I don't think any one really takes summer league games serious. Often good players struggle, for example, Kevin Durant. However, Marcus Williams did finish with 16 ppg, 6.0 asts, 4.2 rebs. That, and 4.8 turnovers. </p> </p>
[quote name='Kidd'][quote name='lukewarmplay'][quote name='Kidd'] [quote name='cpawfan']When Marcus Williams is the backup PG, Cleaves has a chance[/QUOTE]</p> </p> Agreed, but I'm certain Marcus will improve from last season. He just hit that rookie wall mid-season, and never recovered from it. Now that he has more a feel playing in NBA, so I don't expect it to happen, especially if he wants to make a name for himself. </p> Kidd does stun Williams' growth, but Marcus has the opportunity to see what it's really like to play the point guard position. To learn from one of the best, will only make him excel, so for his own sake, he better be taking notes. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Williams' summer performance was discouraging. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I don't think any one really takes summer league games serious. Often good players struggle, for example, Kevin Durant. However, Marcus Williams did finish with 16 ppg, 6.0 asts, 4.2 rebs. That, and 4.8 turnovers. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> It was that his actions did not match his words in terms of taking defense seriously.</p> </p>
[quote name='lukewarmplay'][quote name='Kidd'][quote name='lukewarmplay'][quote name='Kidd'] [quote name='cpawfan']When Marcus Williams is the backup PG, Cleaves has a chance[/QUOTE]</p> </p> Agreed, but I'm certain Marcus will improve from last season. He just hit that rookie wall mid-season, and never recovered from it. Now that he has more a feel playing in NBA, so I don't expect it to happen, especially if he wants to make a name for himself. </p> Kidd does stun Williams' growth, but Marcus has the opportunity to see what it's really like to play the point guard position. To learn from one of the best, will only make him excel, so for his own sake, he better be taking notes. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Williams' summer performance was discouraging. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I don't think any one really takes summer league games serious. Often good players struggle, for example, Kevin Durant. However, Marcus Williams did finish with 16 ppg, 6.0 asts, 4.2 rebs. That, and 4.8 turnovers. </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> It was that his actions did not match his words in terms of taking defense seriously. </p> </p> [/QUOTE] </p> yeah, but you can't make judgements so quickly based on summer-league play. maybe marcus didn't really take summer league seriously...and maybe we should just wait till the season starts to judge marcus's defense. who knows, maybe it was just a summer league thing.
