MVP So far

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  1. STING

    STING JBB JustBBall Member

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    Any nominees? At this point Tracy McGrady is at the top of my list. He started out strong and has not looked back since. He has proved that he is not just a scorer, along with his league-leading 30.4 ppg he has averaged 6.5 rebounds per game, and 4.9 assists per game. If he can carry the Magic to the playoffs, in my opinion, there will be no better candidate for MVP.
     
  2. LaBballFan

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    Kevin Garnett

    He has better stats than T Mac right now and his team is awesome becuase of him!!!
    He has 22 points,12 rebounds and 5 assists.
    He should be MVP if he continue to play like this!!!


    In my opinion Kobe is the best player in the league but the Lakers are not that good right now.

    If they can win 5th or 6th place in the West then Kobe is MVP.

    Jason Kidd could be MVP also.
    I don't think T Mac will be MVP beucase he doesn't have the best stats,Kobe has better stats and Orlando is not doing very good lately,that's not his fault but.......
     
  3. Big D

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    My top two are Kevin Garnett and Tracy McGrady. Both are carrying otherwise average to poor teams on their backs. Garnett has better numbers and his team is in the playoffs right now, but T-Mac has less talent around him to help. There are other possibilites with half the season left, but those are my guys right now. If I had to choose just one (and I guess thats the point of this thread:)) I'll take Garnett.
     
  4. Truemaster14

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    i would say tracy mcgrady but im probably biased.
     
  5. thuggedout108nj

    thuggedout108nj JBB JustBBall Member

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    I think Jason Kidd deserves to be MVP. The Nets are once again in 1st place and he is averaging over 20 points right now and has been shooting at 48%. Last year he didnt win it and deserved it. This year there is no question that he should be the MVP. Knowing this league, he won't get it tho. My second candidate is T-MAC. He is the heart and soul of the MAGIC.
     
  6. Pacers Fan

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "STING":</div><div class="quote_post">Any nominees? At this point Tracy McGrady is at the top of my list. He started out strong and has not looked back since. He has proved that he is not just a scorer, along with his league-leading 30.4 ppg he has averaged 6.5 rebounds per game, and 4.9 assists per game. If he can carry the Magic to the playoffs, in my opinion, there will be no better candidate for MVP.</div>

    You took the words right out of my keyboard!
    T-Mac rules.
     
  7. jbbKnicks

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    Top 3 candiates for me:
    T-mac
    Garnett
    Kidd
     
  8. aTTiCuS

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    1. Kevin Garnett ( Minnesota Timberwolves) 49 30.37
    2. Tim Duncan ( San Antonio Spurs) 49 28.80
    3. Shaquille O'Neal ( Los Angeles Lakers) 35 28.57
    4. Kobe Bryant ( Los Angeles Lakers) 47 28.04
    5. Tracy McGrady ( Orlando Magic) 44 27.36
    6. Dirk Nowitzki ( Dallas Mavericks) 46 26.67
    7. Chris Webber ( Sacramento Kings) 41 25.22
    8. Elton Brand ( Los Angeles Clippers) 47 23.81
    9. Shawn Marion ( Phoenix Suns) 49 23.69
    10. Paul Pierce ( Boston Celtics) 49 23.59

    Wheres JKidd? Kidd = MVP my ass. In my opinion that should decide the MVP. Effeciancy rating is what makes you truly the best player, its your stats towards ur teams success. Period.
     
  9. BRockwell

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    Not bad

    Your list is as good as anyones, with one problem. Jason Kidd HAS to be on it...where are the nets without him? Probably struggling to hit .500

    It would seem obvious that Elton Brand isn't even close to MVP matierial being that he plays for a team without a winning record that will not make the playoffs. Its hard to see how a lottery team could be holding a canidate for the league's Most Valuable Player, when a player on a team contending for a championship that is dominated by one player in terms of leadership, style of play and statistics wouldn't merit consideration.
     
  10. Ito

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    <font color="darkred">- Kobe Bryant
    - Kevin Garnett
    - Jason Kidd

    Those are my top 3 nominees for this season's MVP.</font>
     
  11. NiNo-NiNe

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    If its about whos the best player right now, then there is no doubt Kobe Bryant. But hes not the MVP in my opinion, cause his Team has not even a playoff spot. So no way, now.

    Duncan is the man. His Team has a solid record and hes the unrestricted leader of his Team and like aTTiCuS wrote hes number two in efficency.
     
  12. aTTiCuS

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    Re: Not bad

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Rocko220":</div><div class="quote_post">Your list is as good as anyones, with one problem. Jason Kidd HAS to be on it...where are the nets without him? Probably struggling to hit .500

    It would seem obvious that Elton Brand isn't even close to MVP matierial being that he plays for a team without a winning record that will not make the playoffs. Its hard to see how a lottery team could be holding a canidate for the league's Most Valuable Player, when a player on a team contending for a championship that is dominated by one player in terms of leadership, style of play and statistics wouldn't merit consideration.</div>

    I get you. But look....Its amazing Brand IS #8 considering his team IS under .500 .. i mean geeez to make the list with a team b/low .500 ... id think he'd deserve consideration.

    BTW...where was all this kobe 4 mvp stuff earlier this year.........[​IMG] got yah.
     
  13. snownation

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    it doesnt matter so much who is doing really good now, because the people that vote for the mvp focus more on the end of the year than on the beginning, remember last year at allstar break everyone said jason kidd would win NO DOUBT, and of course he ridiculously didnt.

    everyone is talking about Chris Webber, at least before he got hurt, now that he's hurt its easy to forget about him and forget what he had been doing.

    the mvp will come from a team in the playoffs and probably fairly highup in the playoffs, tmac wont win the mvp because magic wont make playoffs probably, or they will just barely squeeze in, but they probably wont make it anyway

    The mvp i think has to be Kobe Bryant, especially by the end of the year when the lakers are at least the 5th or 6th seed most likely. he is averaging over 28 ppg, and i think 7+ assists and rebounds each!! he is practically averaging a triple double, at least as close as anyone has come in a long time and probably will come in a long time! would they lakers have won one game this year if he hadnt played and shaq had even played most games? probably not! plus kobe is a great defender, which people forget about, which is why kenyon martin didnt make the allstar team even though he could shut down anyone on the allstar team EASY.

    also, i like kevin garnett a lot but he doesnt seem to get much respect in mvp talks, and by the end of the year the twolves will have faded like they always do, and so thats why he'll be discounted, and plus he's not doing much better than he did last year or the few years b4 statwise. i mean, we know how he gets down, 20-10-5 [​IMG]

    well thats all im writing now, what do u think
     
  14. truba03

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    Re: Not bad

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "aTTiCuS":</div><div class="quote_post"> I get you. But look....Its amazing Brand IS #8 considering his team IS under .500 .. i mean geeez to make the list with a team b/low .500 ... id think he'd deserve consideration.</div>

    Maybe that just means he is playing for his stats rather than the team, playing for a franchise next season, once his contract runs out
     
  15. LaBballFan

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    Here is one article about Kobe

    MUST SEE!!!!!


    You scoff? Get all indignant? Say he's not even the best player on his team, let alone the league?

    Make your arguments for Shaquille O'Neal. Marvel at the overall play of Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. Laud the talent of Tracy McGrady. Sell Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Chris Webber, Dirk Nowitzki.

    All marvelous, all among the game's elite.

    It's just that right now, at this moment, Kobe Bryant is the finest overall player in the NBA.

    Kobe has evolved into what most said he would after getting a good look at him during his second season the best player in the league. A truly special athlete. A player to celebrate, to honor.

    Kobe Bryant, MVP.

    Are you watching him play? It's breathtaking. More than just dazzling moves and top-flight athleticism. It's a rare combination of skill, competitiveness, grace and cool under pressure. Will and desire, meshed with uncommon ability.

    He is the cream of the league, a distinct player we should feel fortunate to have in Los Angeles. He should not just be discussed among a group of others for MVP, but should lead the conversation.

    Not that it's a slam dunk, a done deal. The second half will tell the final story. The Lakers have to keep winning and Kobe has to keep playing at his current level.

    But if that happens, he's the man. He's the one who, more than any other player in the league, should be honored by season's end.

    Kobe is having the best season of his life, which still clicks in at only 24 years. He is having a career-best year in scoring (28.6 points per game, second to McGrady), rebounds (7.3), assists (6.7) and steals (2.2).

    More than Derek Fisher, he is the player who most often brings the ball downcourt, initiates the offense, directs the team all while normally defending the other team's best player, whether he is a point guard, shooting guard or shooting forward.

    No other player does so much so well.

    Kobe is the driving force behind the Lakers' recent 11-3 turnaround, not Shaq. He has become the team's true leader. He has become its heartbeat. Win or lose, it's Kobe who talks to the media after every game, not the Big Silencio.

    Maybe you doubt how someone could be his team's best player when he's playing with Shaq, still the most dominant man in the game.

    But while Shaq was kicking back and delaying even investigating his toe surgery, Kobe was working out and putting on 15 pounds of muscle. While Shaq was missing almost the first month of the season, Kobe was trying to drag the team to respectability.

    People throw out 3-9. It was the Lakers' record while Shaq was out. They say it was Kobe's chance to prove he could carry the team without Shaq and that he failed miserably.

    Like that tells the story. Also out for the first six games was suspended Rick Fox. Samaki Walker and Devean George were playing hurt. Veterans Robert Horry and Brian Shaw were forced to play unusual early minutes and wore down.

    And the losses still came largely in overtime or on last-second shots. When Shaq first came back, it wasn't some magical elixir. The Lakers stumbled to a 7-9 mark when Shaq first returned.

    Kobe has overtaken Shaq as the Lakers' main man, no easy accomplishment. Maybe no one else alive could have pulled it off. During the Lakers' current five-game winning streak (four on the road), Kobe has averaged 40.2 points. For the first time in Shaq's seven seasons with the Lakers, he probably will not lead them in scoring.

    Kobe takes over when he has to, becomes a playmaker when needed and is the one guy you want to see with the ball in the closing seconds with the game on the line.

    Some people seem him go one-on- one and scream "ball hog.' But who else on the Lakers can be counted on to break down the defense, to hit the free throws if fouled?

    Some people have moaned about his shooting percentage, like that was necessary for him to win his MVP. But Kobe's average is up to a healthy .452 percent now. And his 3- point shooting is a very respectable .373.

    Some people constantly try to dissect him, to find fault with his game. It's like trying to find a flaw on Jennifer Connelly. Yeah, it's probably there, but if you have to look that hard, why bother? Just enjoy.

    You can't penalize Kobe's individual accomplishments because he plays alongside another great player. Every player needs help. Michael Jordan had Scottie Pippen. Magic Johnson had Kareem Abdul- Jabbar. Jerry West had Elgin Baylor, but didn't win a title until he had Wilt Chamberlain.

    And despite all his jaw-dropping ability, no one works harder than Kobe. He wants to win, gives it his all and expects the same effort from less talented teammates. That's at least reasonable.

    Kobe isn't about to waste his gifts, and we shouldn't waste the opportunity to fully recognize him. He's what currently makes the Lakers great. No one in the NBA is doing more.

    It's Kobe Bryant, MVP.

     
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    TRACY!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  17. sunsfan1357

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    One thing that always irked me about the MVP talks so far is that people are so quick to put KG into the top of the contenders list, but his team is one game away from being a seven seed, yet Kobe isn't in contention because the Lakers are losing...however, he has led them to taking over the 8th seed and they are bound to go higher and everyone knows they will finish at least at the 7 seed...
     
  18. Big D

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    A couple problems with your post. Number 1: Lakers are still the 9th seed, not the 8th. #2: Garnett doesn't have anyone like Shaq helping him. Shaq is the most dominant player in the league, while Garnett only has Wally. Wally is a decent player, but he was injured most of the first half. Garnett has done it all on his own and deserved recognition.
     
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    However we do know that it is pretty much inevitable that the Lakers will be one of the top 7 seeds in the West...how long will it be until Kobe gets serious consideration? Sure he has Shaq, but the way he has been playing there would've been no way they would be in the position they are in and with reports that Shaqs toe is starting to act up again I don't see Kobe slowing down...I know KG doesn't have the greatest supporting cast in the world, but they are solid and KG is the type of player a team can build around so in a way this type of team is probably best suited for KGs needs...it shouldn't be any sort of surprise that he is doing what he is with this team...
     
  20. LaBballFan

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "defrocked":</div><div class="quote_post">A couple problems with your post. Number 1: Lakers are still the 9th seed, not the 8th. #2: Garnett doesn't have anyone like Shaq helping him. Shaq is the most dominant player in the league, while Garnett only has Wally. Wally is a decent player, but he was injured most of the first half. Garnett has done it all on his own and deserved recognition.</div>

    I got couple of problems with your post


    1st He said that we all know that the Lakers will finish at least 7th...and they will
    2 Shaq is the most dominant man in the league but Kobe has better stats.
    You think it's easy to have better stats than Shaq? You think KG could do that?

    KG has Hudson,Wally,Nesterovic and couple of good role players and Kobe has Shaq and maybe 2 good role players and all the other scrubs.

    Kobe is doing everything for his team,so is KG but it's even harder to Kobe.
     

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