OFFICIAL THREAD: Kobe Bryant vs. Tracy McGrady

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T Mac said that Kobe is better than him.
Here is that interviw

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When asked who was better, Kobe or himself, McGrady said, "I would put him ahead of me. But I'm pretty sure he wouldn't put me ahead of him."
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I think that he's right about both parts of his statement.
Kobe would have to throw Shaq's name out there anyway...

 

What I found interesting is that they are both really good friends. I mean I had heard they were friends before but I had no idea that they practiced together. That would explain why they have such similar games. It seems to me that some of Bryants aggression that McGrady lacked has rubbed off on T-Mac and he has been pretty phenomenal this year.

Interestingly enought thats not the first time McGrady has admitted to being being inferior to Bryant. Last year he said that Bryant has three rings right now and has the right to be called the best. I think thats the same angle he is coming from still. Players like Kobe and McGrady have to believe they are the best player on the court or they lose a psychological edge that they need to be the best. Trust me ... Jordan never once thought anyone in the league was better than him. He might have said it ... but I doubt he ever meant it.

 

Kobe can't win the championship all by himself.

They need the big man underneath.

We will never know though. Unless Shaq gets injured during play off time

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "3.0CL":</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe can't win the championship all by himself.

They need the big man underneath.

We will never know though. Unless Shaq gets injured during play off time </div>

KObe can't win the champhionship all by himslef.
There is absolutley no way.
No one can win champhioonship all by himself.
MJ couldn't do it,Magic couldn't.
You got to have your second option and few good role players.
Nobody is that good to win all by himself.

Lakers won 3 last tittles and Shaq was the man.
Kobe was his second option but also they had few good role players.
Back in 2000 Glen Rice and Brina Shaw were great.
Back in 2001 Fish ws nasty against Spurs,but Fox and Horry were also good
Last year it was all Kobe and Shaq but without Horry they wouldn't win.

And so on

MJ had Pippen but would they win without Harper,Rodman and Kukoc?
Maybe they would but........

Magic had Kareem but Worthy was good also

If you want to win champhionship you got to have great second option and few good role players

 

i've only read the 1st 2 pages of this thread, so i don't know if anyone answered this or not, but damn the reason kobe's such a better defender is that who wants to drive on shaq? i wouldn't drive on shaq, so most of the players that are getting guarded by kobe are shooting jumpers so that shaq doesn't block them. tmac has declerq behind him. kobe's a very good defender i'll give it to him, but with shaq there u can't give kobe all the credit of forcing the guy to not drive. players see that tmac has no shot blockers, so they attempt to drive more than they do on kobe, so that's where kobe fans think that kobe is a better defender than tmac. he might still be, but if he is, he's not that much better.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "sportsrock37":</div><div class="quote_post">i've only read the 1st 2 pages of this thread, so i don't know if anyone answered this or not, but damn the reason kobe's such a better defender is that who wants to drive on shaq? i wouldn't drive on shaq, so most of the players that are getting guarded by kobe are shooting jumpers so that shaq doesn't block them. tmac has declerq behind him. kobe's a very good defender i'll give it to him, but with shaq there u can't give kobe all the credit of forcing the guy to not drive. players see that tmac has no shot blockers, so they attempt to drive more than they do on kobe, so that's where kobe fans think that kobe is a better defender than tmac. he might still be, but if he is, he's not that much better.</div>

true dat

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "sportsrock37":</div><div class="quote_post">i've only read the 1st 2 pages of this thread, so i don't know if anyone answered this or not, but damn the reason kobe's such a better defender is that who wants to drive on shaq? i wouldn't drive on shaq, so most of the players that are getting guarded by kobe are shooting jumpers so that shaq doesn't block them. tmac has declerq behind him. kobe's a very good defender i'll give it to him, but with shaq there u can't give kobe all the credit of forcing the guy to not drive. players see that tmac has no shot blockers, so they attempt to drive more than they do on kobe, so that's where kobe fans think that kobe is a better defender than tmac. he might still be, but if he is, he's not that much better.</div>

SportsRock you are always using that Shaq excuse.....lol

Earlier you said that Kobe has lot's of assists only becuase Shaq is on his team?

Weel Kobe is averaging 7.6 assists without Shaq.
kobe also proved he can play defense without Shaq.
Kobe is better defender.
Kobe has Shaq but Kobe also has Fisher.
It's really hard to play defense with Fisher.
Defense is all about effort,technique,speed,athleticsm and mental
know your man's strengths and weaknesses


Kobe is great defender and he has all.
Maybe it's little easier to play with Shaq but you all think that Shaq makes Kobe so great.
Weel last year in one interview J Rich said that Kobe killed him with his defense.

T Mac isn't that bad defender,actually he is good btu kobe is still better.

 

i wanna ask you guys a question
what would you rate T-Mac/Kobe in these categories (school grades F- to A+)
T-Mac
Inside Play B
Outside shooting B
Handles (passing, dribbling) A
Defense B+
Rebounding B-

Kobe
Inside Play B+
Outside Shooting C+
Handles B
Defense B-
Rebounding B

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "J Tins11 JO7":</div><div class="quote_post">i wanna ask you guys a question
what would you rate T-Mac/Kobe in these categories (school grades F- to A+)
T-Mac
Inside Play B
Outside shooting B
Handles (passing, dribbling) A
Defense B+
Rebounding B-

Kobe
Inside Play B+
Outside Shooting C+
Handles B
Defense B-
Rebounding B</div>


Kobe is so underrated in sim leagues.
He is so much better in real life.

 

who's better IMO

inside(post up)-Tmac
driving-kobe
outside-tmac
handles-tmac
defense-kobe
rebounding-tmac
passing-tmac
scoring ability-kobe
clutch-kobe(by a bunch), tmac's best player for the 1st 44 minutes though.
potential-tmac(younger)
stat stuffer-kobe
unselfish-tmac

total- tmac-7
kobe-5
but i'm also a biased magic fan
post your opinions

 

posting up: Kobe is better at backing people down...neither of them really play a true 'post' game though...their post game is to mainly get a 5-6 ft fadeaway =P even though T-Mac is longer and taller...Kobe has that ability to bump people off the block...this may be because he's guarded by SG's where as T-Mac is usually picked up by larger SF's tho...

driving: Kobe although T-Mac is VERY close in this category

outside shooting: Kobe is prolly better this year, T-Mac was better every year before...

handles: thats a tough one...i don't think i have an answer...Kobe gets stripped on the drive more then t-mac but he's also got better moves...i'd say this one is a wash...

defense: Kobe

Rebounding: T-Mac gets more rebounds...he also has no post players eating up the boards the way Shaq and Horry and Samaki do...Kobe could be the better rebounder on sheer effort alone (when he boarded over duncan and d-rob for the putback against san antonio in the playoffs last year...no guard should have any business doing something like that) - T-Mac for now

Passing: Kobe, T-Mac can't pass through traffic the way that Kobe can

Scoring: They are even...you can't stop either of them.

Clutch: Kobe by far...then again T-Mac's team never really keeps him in a position where he can shine in the clutch...its pretty much how long he can last vs the other team and sometimes the guy runs out of gas by the end of games...

Potential: T-Mac...he's taller and longer...but he'll never be better because he doesnt have the heart...

Desire: Kobe has more desire then anyone in the league...which is why he'll be the best...

Stat Stuffer: they both do wut they feel they need to for their teams to win so neither...

Unselfish: T-Mac - but Kobe's selfishness comes once again from his desire to make his team win and he KNOWS that down the stretch...he is his teams best chance at winning ball games...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "sportsrock37":</div><div class="quote_post">who's better IMO

inside(post up)-Tmac
driving-kobe
outside-tmac
handles-tmac
defense-kobe
rebounding-tmac
passing-tmac
scoring ability-kobe
clutch-kobe(by a bunch), tmac's best player for the 1st 44 minutes though.
potential-tmac(younger)
stat stuffer-kobe
unselfish-tmac

total- tmac-7
kobe-5
but i'm also a biased magic fan
post your opinions</div>

At least you admitted to being biased when you posted this. T-Mac better passer than Kobe?! HUH?!

As for the "handles" category - Kobe, Iverson, Kidd, and Francis all get stripped more than T-Mac. The difference here is they have to bring the ball up the court alot more than he does and they have to take greater risks with the ball when driving the lane. Kobe has one of the best handles in the game. T-Mac is alot safer with the ball. So if the category is about who has better handles then it should go to Kobe ... if its about who gets less turnovers then it goes to McGrady.

I agree with you that T-Mac has more potential than Kobe, but for a completely different reason. T-Mac has a longer and taller body that creates more of a mismatch in games. But using the younger theory is ridiculous since they are about 9 months apart in age.

This thread is 9 months old. Instead of bringing back old threads, just start another topic. -dex