Who do you think is better? Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players ever and he has 6 rings. he's one of the best all around players ever. He was great second option and so is Kobe. He was very consistant. He had 6 great seasons and 3 average seasons. he was great all around player in his prime. 20 points,7 rebounds,6 assists. Kobe is still developing and he is still very young. He has 4 great seasons so far. 1999/2000 23 points,6.4 rebounds,4.9 assists 2000/2001 28.5 points,6 rebounds,5.5 assists 2001/2002 25.5 points 5.6 rebounds 5.5 assists 2002/2003 30.6 points,7 rebounds,6.3 assists Kobe is scoring much more and they are preety even in assists,rebounds and steals. I think Kobe is right now better than Pippen and I also think that Kobe will have like7 more great seasons becuase he is hard worker and he wants to be one of the 10 greatest players ever. Maybe he will never be one of the 10 greatest but he will have amazing carrer. I pick Kobe. He is better than Pippen
i agree, kobe is better than pippen was. and like you said he's still young and he's improving now and will be better than he is now
both had different kind of roles..but kobe yeah..the guy is playing great and at the age of 24..is scary
Kobe would abuse Pippen. Stronger, Faster, More Vert, better ball handling. If Kobe didn't bulk up, I think Pippen would punish him in the paint. But the present Kobe would definately destroy Pippen in his prime.
I've always thought Pippen was over-rated. Dominique should have taken his spot on the top 50. Kobe is no joke. He's only going to keep getting better and he's already better than Pippen ever was.
Pippen was definitely overrated. He shouldn't be in the top 50. Kobe would abuse Pippen anyday, no matter how good Pippen's defense is.
Pippen i think is overrated. Pippen was good but i think if he wasn't with MJ he wouldn't make the greatest 50 players. And if bulls didn't have pippen but they had another good player in his position i think jordan would have still won some. I think kobe was better bcuz pippen was playin on a team wit so much talent (kerr, harper, d-rod, kukoc) for lakers basically kobe and shaq. If lakers didn't have kobe shaq mite hav won 1 but they wouldn't have won last yr. aganst kings.
Kobe AND T-mac are both better, and I admit that even though I am a T-mac hater. Pip is overrated, and I agree- Nique' shouldda taken his place in the top 50.
Please. All the <font color="darkgreen">EDIT</font> are replying on this thread. Mj was the best but Pipp is way better than the rapist. Look at how much the fakers sucked when the rapist was by himself. Pipp is a better shooter, scorer, passer, defender, and player than the rapist. Period!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe would abuse Pippen. Stronger, Faster, More Vert, better ball handling. If Kobe didn't bulk up, I think Pippen would punish him in the paint. But the present Kobe would definately destroy Pippen in his prime.</div> Are you kidding me? They are about even in athleticism, but if one had to choose you'd have to go with Pippen. He was a freak of a nature moreso than Kobe was. He was also the greatest defensive wing player ever. Right now I would have to take Kobe though because Pippen is an ok scorer and great defender, Kobe is a good defender and great scorer. I think it's amazing how people think that Pippen doesn't deserve to be 50 Greatest all-time. How can someone say Dominque deserves a spot over Pip? Nique was no where close to Pippen on the defensive end, and Pippen had the better all-around game. You guys do remember that when MJ was out that Pippen led the team to the ECF and if it wasn't for a stupid call by the refs they would be in the Finals with a great chance to beat the Rockets. Of course no one wants to remember that because all they want to do is give the Bulls success to MJ. Give me a break, Pippen in no way was overrated.
I agree with most of you guys, Kobe is the better player offensively, if you compare Kobe now with Pippen in his prime. Defensively I'm not so sure, Pippen was a hell of a defender, being able to guard the small and quick players as well as the bigger and stronger guys. In his best season 1993-1994 (by the numbers) he had 2.93 steals per game (#2 in the league) and 8.7 rebounds per game, combined with 22 ppg and 5.6 assists. In 1994-1995 he led the league in steals with 2.94 steals per game.
Actually, I think that Pippen's underrated, especially because people are actually doubting his spot among the 50 Greatest Players of all time. But still, I think that Kobe in his prime (which he hasn't even reached yet) is a more complete player- both offensive and defensive- remember, Kobe improves defensively each year; he's only going to keep getting better on D)- than Pippen in his prime.
I don't think Kobe will reach the defensive level of Pippen. Not because he doesn't have the skill, but because he won't have enough energy to still be the offensive force that he is. Even now he doesn't expend a whole lot of energy on D because the team relies on his offense a lot too.
they are not even in athleticism, kobe is more fluid and is superior offensively. great offense will always beat great defense. i'm tired of the lame 12 game arguement people pin on kobe. build a team around kobe and watch him lead them deep into the playoffs. pippen definately belongs on the top 50 team and you cannot overrate his career. without pippen, the bulls would not have won all their titles. he is a complete player and versatile. it was amazing watching him completely shutdown the mark jackson and the pacers in the playoffs. not many wingmen in the league can handle guarding a point guard effectively. but as great a player pippen was, kobe is already better than him and he still has not reached his prime.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bullsfaninnj:</div><div class="quote_post">Please. All the dumbass faker fans are replying on this thread. Mj was the best but Pipp is way better than the rapist. Look at how much the fakers sucked when the rapist was by himself. Pipp is a better shooter, scorer, passer, defender, and player than the rapist. Period!</div> insulting laker fans, or faker fans as you refer to them, just destroys the rest of your arguement, it makes you sound like a hater and not an intelligent poster. ***newsflash***, kobe has not been convicted of rape, so i'm not sure what your justification for calling him a rapist is. pippen is not even close to being a better shooter or scorer than kobe. he is a better defender, and their passing skills are even.
Pippen is just as athletic as Kobe. He is a great runner, jumper, and is just as strong, if not stronger, then Kobe. Heck, just look at Pips body...one of the most sculpted bodies you'll ever find in the league. However, I did agree with you that Kobe is already better than Pip and I've said before on these boards that great offense will always beat great defense. I didn't say anything about Kobe leading his team, I'm one of the people that supports Kobe in that argument. And it was 15 games, not 12, I believe.
i view kobe as more athletic because he has more control over his body after he gets airborn. he is great at adjusting to the defensive player and then slipping past him. i've never seen pippen pull off those type of moves. pippen is a great athlete, but he doesn't have the creativity that jordan & kobe have. kobe is definately stronger than pippen from last season until now. prior to gaining his muscle mass, pippen was definately stronger, and kobe was easily posted up by the bigger guards, but now he's one of the stronger players. yes the bottomline is a great offensive player will always beat a great defensive player. the comment about the 12 or 15 games was not directed at anyone. it was directed at people who continue to use that lame argument. in fact without shaq the lakers still have a winning record.
itd be close but kobe would beat pippen one on one. thats not to say kobe is more valueble but he has better skills. comparing kobe to pippen is a lot fairer than comparing kobe to jordan. jordan looked like he could still give kobe a run for his money when he was 39
