<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">comparing kobe to pippen is a lot fairer than comparing kobe to jordan. jordan looked like he could still give kobe a run for his money when he was 39</div> You know what buddy Jordan isn't the greatest of all time. BELIEVE ME!!!!! I have all the proof you need if you just look at the stats. The greatest player ever is the only person to record a triple 20 points, assits, and rebounds. Still don't know Wilt Chamberlin. If you think Jordan is the greatest go to this website http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/ Kobe would end up being better than Pippen, but hears a question who is better Kobe or Erving. I personally think Erving, but I may change my after Kobe finishs his career but in their prime who is better i say erving.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The_Big_Dipper:</div><div class="quote_post">You know what buddy Jordan isn't the greatest of all time. BELIEVE ME!!!!! I have all the proof you need if you just look at the stats. The greatest player ever is the only person to record a triple 20 points, assits, and rebounds. Still don't know Wilt Chamberlin. If you think Jordan is the greatest go to this website http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/ Kobe would end up being better than Pippen, but hears a question who is better Kobe or Erving. I personally think Erving, but I may change my after Kobe finishs his career but in their prime who is better i say erving.</div> yea kobe hasnt even hit his prime yet...and u dont want to start wit olskool when ur still a rookie...he will tear u up
kobe kobe kobe kobe could take pippen on the court while he was banging his cheerleader this guy is being compared to J most of the time not his sidekick
its more approaite to compare Kobe to Pippen than Kobe to MJ... but all you idiots that say Pippen is overrated, you guys should be slapped...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheLakerShow834:</div><div class="quote_post">yea kobe hasnt even hit his prime yet...and u dont want to start wit olskool when ur still a rookie...he will tear u up</div> no...you can mess with olskool all you want...he doesnt know a damn thing...he'll sit there and tell you he tore you up...but really he hasnt made a single solid point against your case at all...yes olskool...the only things i post on this board now are to talk trash about you...deal with it and go cry to your mommy...oh and yes i really am just makin random comments and i really dont have anything against you though...there...that was my disclaimer...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting purehoops:</div><div class="quote_post"> but all you idiots that say Pippen is overrated, you guys should be slapped...</div> we need a smiley that claps, because then i'd put it there
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You know what buddy Jordan isn't the greatest of all time. BELIEVE ME!!!!! I have all the proof you need if you just look at the stats. The greatest player ever is the only person to record a triple 20 points, assits, and rebounds. Still don't know Wilt Chamberlin. If you think Jordan is the greatest go to this website http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/ Kobe would end up being better than Pippen, but hears a question who is better Kobe or Erving. I personally think Erving, but I may change my after Kobe finishs his career but in their prime who is better i say erving.</div> I think Wilt's the greatest player ever also, but that site isn't the greatest way to prove your point. There are a lot of flaws in his arguments. The site dedicated to Wilt made by that same guy is better. Also, Kobe is better than Dr. J. He was a scoring machine in the ABA, but that's because of the style of play. As soon as he got to the NBA his scoring averages dipped dramatically. As NBA players Kobe is better. Better defender, scorer, and passer. I think Dr. J may have been the better rebounder though.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SCBrian:</div><div class="quote_post">no...you can mess with olskool all you want...he doesnt know a damn thing...he'll sit there and tell you he tore you up...but really he hasnt made a single solid point against your case at all...yes olskool...the only things i post on this board now are to talk trash about you...deal with it and go cry to your mommy...oh and yes i really am just makin random comments and i really dont have anything against you though...there...that was my disclaimer...</div> cry to my mommy? im laughing my ass off. what does that say about you if Im apparently so worthless and stupid but you still feel you have to waste your prescious time coming on the site just to bad mouth me?? im not gonna stop you. give us a all a good laugh but for a "genius" that sounds pretty dumb. and you could make the arguemtn that wilt is as good or better than jordan. he certainly was more dominant for a few years but I hope you realize big dipper that that site you directed me too does a pretty terrible job of trying to prove that. they try to argue that 94-95 proves people overrated jordans impact on the team if anything at made it obvious. when he was there they won three straight championships. then he leaves and they dont. he comes back and in his first FULL season they win another championship and then win two more. as dominant as wilt was he couldnt beat Bill Russell and the celtics for the NBA title and he played on some pretty good teams. also consider that Wilts numbers (ecxept his assists) showed a steady decline from his earliest years on. he retired with the best scorin avcerage cause of those first years. Jordan played longer and finished with a higher scoring average and didnt even have to take 99% of his teams shots. he would have finished with an even higher scoring average if he handt retired a few times during his prime which lasted most of his career. wilts prime was really only his first few years. it really depends how you look at it. if you just look at his numbers and think he scored almost as much as jordan but had a lot more rebounds than yea u could say hes better but if you actually whatch how the both play and their impacts on their respective teams i think its clear that jordan is the better basketball player. Wilt also had the distinct advantage of playing in a league that just had never seen his style of play before and didnt have a clue how to defend it. jordan didnt really do that much different from everyone else before. he just did it better
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">that. they try to argue that 94-95 proves people overrated jordans impact on the team if anything at made it obvious. when he was there they won three straight championships. then he leaves and they dont. he comes back and in his first FULL season they win another championship and then win two more. </div> If it wasn't for a phantom call against the Knicks then the Bulls would've made the finals and would've had a good chance to win. However, like I said in my last post, I think that site does a bad job of saying Jordan isn't the best. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">as dominant as wilt was he couldnt beat Bill Russell and the celtics for the NBA title and he played on some pretty good teams. also consider that Wilts numbers (ecxept his assists) showed a steady decline from his earliest years on. he retired with the best scorin avcerage cause of those first years. </div> Wilt was on some good teams, but Russells was on some teams with eight hall of famers on a roster. No one should be able to compete with that. Wilt atleast made it somewhat of a challenge. Also Wilt's scoring numbers decreased because he was asked to change his style of game so much. He was a scorer and could've maintained that, but his coaches told him to change his game and not take so many shots. They told him to sacrifice his scoring to pass more. They told him to sacrifice his scoring to play defense. They told him to sacrifice his scoring for just about anything. Wilt never enjoyed the luxury of playing the same type of game his whole career. Also if you look at it Jordan's averages were so high because of his first years (averaged something like 39 points a game his rookie year I think) also and his scoring declined. It's what happens to everyone. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wilt also had the distinct advantage of playing in a league that just had never seen his style of play before and didnt have a clue how to defend it. jordan didnt really do that much different from everyone else before. he just did it better</div> Wilt is a one of a kind player like that. To this day we haven't seen anyone with his style of play at his position.
no way theydve made or own the finals without jordan. and bill russell was on teams with 8 players who went to the hall of fame because they were on lots of championship teams thanks in biggest part to bill russell. lots of people always thought it was ridicluolous wilt never beat them untill 67. there are probably better players than tommy heinson and sam jones etc. who never made the hall of fame because they didnt win rings. i dont see how your arguement supports wilt being better than micheael
I'm not disputing how Wilt is better than Michael. I'm disputing the points you made. If you didn't know the Bulls were in the ECF and were about to clinch the series until that phantom call. So you're theory that the Bulls would not have made the finals is bogus because they should have. You think there are guys just as good as Tommy Heinson and Sam Jones that aren't in the hall because they don't have rings? Name em. The only one I can think about is Adrian Dantley, but I'm not sure if he has any rings or not.
dont start with crap about calls. games arent won and lost on calls. the bulls lost Ewings knick because without jordan they wernt as good and they defnetly wernt as good as hakeems rockets. even if you could somehow prove that they made the wrong call if hte bulls had really deserved to win then they woulodve won despite the call. Tommy Heinson and Sam Jones scored 18 and 17 points in their careers. Antoine Walker has a much better scoring average with better all around numbers. most people will tell you hes not going to be a hall of famer unless he wins a ring or two. toine is just the first example that came to my head but theres better ones too. Horrys probably going to be in the hall of fame too cause of his rings but theres better players who arent in
There's no way Horry will make the hall. If Mo Cheeks isn't in the hall yet then Horry won't be in the hall. Sam Jones was one of the better all-around players in his time. Heinsohn was a good scorer and rebounder and dominated enough in his era to make the hall. The hall isn't about dominating compared to other eras. It's about greatness in their eras. Those two players were great in their eras compared to their peers. Rings boost a players rating for making the hall, but it's not the sole reason why people make it. Walker just isn't dominate enough in the era of Shaq, Kobe, McGrady, Pierce, KG, etc. to get a clear nomination for the hall. However, I think if he keeps up his pace he will eventually get recognized. Also ask ANYONE about the Bulls vs Knicks series and they'll say the Bulls would be in if it wasn't for that call. That's one of the exceptions of when a call loses a game for a team.
im sorry but that still doesn't defeat my point that jordan is the reason the bulls won championships and he did that better than wilt did for his teams
Does that make Wilt any less of a PLAYER? He did everything he could've done, but it still wasn't enough to get past a team with up to EIGHT hall of famers on the team. Jordan had no competition like that. The years without Jordan proved that the Bulls still had what it takes to get far in the playoffs in what should've been a Finals appearance. You think Wilt's teams could've done that?
come on. there were great teams when jordan was playing. you cant use the celtics as an excuse for wilt not being able to win a championship untill 67. jordan waited awhile for a championship too but his prime lasted so much longer. he didnt have as steady a decline as wilt
Name those "great" teams. There were no great teams like the Celts of old because the talent pool was not as diluted as it is today. Steady decline? In his tenth year Wilt was on pace for a 27, 18, and 4 year until he got injured. Granted, he got injured 12 games into the season, there is no reason to believe that he wouldn't have kept it up to atleast average 23-25 points. Only in his last two years did he not get atleast 20 a game. In his second to last year he still averaged 19 boards a game, in his last year it was 18. His assists numbers in the last stage of his career were higher than ever before, but I think you noted that as well. In the last stages of his career his FG% was higher than ever on average. He was still great regardless of the decline he had.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/ </div> such a proffesional lookin site... lol jk... the greatest player will always be up for debate... in every sport... and MJ will always been in the mix...
the average iq of posters on this board is sub100... sadly i think olskool is actually slightly above the curve...the only reason i single him out is cuz he thinks he's a lot smarter than he really is...but anyhow i have nothing to prove to the buncha morons that post on this board...you're all retarded and goin nowhere so kiss my ass
