After this season with Tracy Mcgrady dragging the Magic into the playoffs and Kobe being unable to do the same without Shaq, I was ready to call it even in the Mcgrady vs Kobe debate. However, Bill Simmons' brings up a very good point in his latest article that convinced me that T-Mac is not quite at Kobe's level yet "...to Tracy McGrady; he wasn't quite ready for his "MJ against the Cavs in '88" series. More importantly, I think he drops a notch behind Kobe again. Kobe comes up big when it matters. In the last three games of that Pistons series, you couldn't say the same about T-Mac. I'll admit it ... I'm disappointed." I know this topic is an endless debate, but its fun right?.....right?
Kobe comes up big when it matters...well not today. But as for T-Mac he had them 3-1 but his team didn't play well when they were ahead by 3-1. It's almost impossible to say who's better but T-Mac fans say 3-12 louder than the Arco Arena crowd. T-Mac leads his team to the playoffs but until they can get out of the first round he wont get respect from neutrals and some of the media. Kobe gets it cos they win 3 in a row. I'd say T-Macs better but I'm bound to say that cos I'm a big TMac fan and I dont exaclty like Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "vinsanity03":</div><div class="quote_post">Kobes better. Tmac cant rebound well for his height. My opinions.</div> Kobe averages 6.9 boards and TMac 6.5 so in my opinion i think TMac rebounds pretty good especially for a 2 guard and Kobe and TMac are both the same height, if Tmac cant rebound well for his height then what do u think about VC? he is an even worse rebounder i think TMac is the better player but Kobe is more clutch than TMac
kobe....he gets more assists...boards...and bettr in the cluth...he also learned to play wit another superstar
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "go_duke21":</div><div class="quote_post"><div class="quote_poster">Quoting "vinsanity03":</div><div class="quote_post">Kobes better. Tmac cant rebound well for his height. My opinions.</div> Kobe averages 6.9 boards and TMac 6.5 so in my opinion i think TMac rebounds pretty good especially for a 2 guard and Kobe and TMac are both the same height, if Tmac cant rebound well for his height then what do u think about VC? he is an even worse rebounder i think TMac is the better player but Kobe is more clutch than TMac</div> Tmac 6'8, probably even 6'9. Kobe 6'6-6'7 Vince 6'6. Why did you even bring up VC? Tmacv is 6'8 the same as elton brand and hes a shitty rebounder. My opinion. I think hes shitty rebounder. too bad.
i think kobe is better because he learned to play better with someone else on his team, stupid tmac wanted all the fame he could get, and thats the reason why he left TO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "vinsanity03":</div><div class="quote_post"><div class="quote_poster">Quoting "go_duke21":</div><div class="quote_post"><div class="quote_poster">Quoting "vinsanity03":</div><div class="quote_post">Kobes better. Tmac cant rebound well for his height. My opinions.</div> Kobe averages 6.9 boards and TMac 6.5 so in my opinion i think TMac rebounds pretty good especially for a 2 guard and Kobe and TMac are both the same height, if Tmac cant rebound well for his height then what do u think about VC? he is an even worse rebounder i think TMac is the better player but Kobe is more clutch than TMac</div> Tmac 6'8, probably even 6'9. Kobe 6'6-6'7 Vince 6'6. Why did you even bring up VC? Tmacv is 6'8 the same as elton brand and hes a shitty rebounder. My opinion. I think hes shitty rebounder. too bad.</div> tmac, kobe and VC all play the same position, wow tmac is a whole 2 inches taller than VC, that doesnt matter at all, TMac is the second best rebounding 2 guard in the league next to Kobe, ur arguement about height is not valid considering that Ben Wallace leads the league in rebounds and he is quite a few inches smaller than a lot of centres and PF's, does this mean that all of them are shitty rebounders? the correct opinion would be that TMac is a pretty good rebounder for the position he plays, the evidence is all there
tmac's way better than kobe in almost everything, the only reason kobe gets more recognition is that he has won 3 championships and is clutch. if tmac was clutch and won some games than he would be better than kobe.(now that lakers are out, and won't win championship #4) tmac isn't clutch though, that's the only problem in his game. points, tmac's better, the reason why kobe is up there is he stat stuffs his points. tmac shoots when the team needs him to shoot, while kobe has to get his points, no matter if the team needs him to or not. ADVANTAGE = TMAC he's a good rebounder, since on defense he's always guarding the 3 point line and on offense he's shooting all the jumpers, so there really isn't many opportunities for him to get rebounds. ADVANTAGE= kobe assists, kobe has more, but how the hell don't you get at least 10 a game when you have shaq on your team. all you have to do is give him the ball and there is an assist. ADVANTAGE- tmac defense, kobe is overrated. he's good, but who wants to shoot a layup when shaq is gonna swat your shit. i know i wouldn't. tmac is good, but he just isn't at kobe's level yet, even though kobe has shaq. ADVANTAGE=kobe shooting- no contest. tmac's the much better shooter ADVANTAGE= TMAC clutch- no contest. ADVANTAGE= KOBE that's my opinion guys. tmac is better, kobe is overrated(great, but not as great as espn makes him sound)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Rocko220":</div><div class="quote_post"> "...to Tracy McGrady; he wasn't quite ready for his "MJ against the Cavs in '88" series. More importantly, I think he drops a notch behind Kobe again. Kobe comes up big when it matters. In the last three games of that Pistons series, you couldn't say the same about T-Mac. I'll admit it ... I'm disappointed." </div> tmac had 37 points in game 6
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">tmac, kobe and VC all play the same position, wow tmac is a whole 2 inches taller than VC, that doesnt matter at all, TMac is the second best rebounding 2 guard in the league next to Kobe, ur arguement about height is not valid considering that Ben Wallace leads the league in rebounds and he is quite a few inches smaller than a lot of centres and PF's, does this mean that all of them are shitty rebounders? the correct opinion would be that TMac is a pretty good rebounder for the position he plays, the evidence is all there </div> It doesn't matter if they play the same position or not. Tracy being 2 inches taller should give him the edge in rebounding, especially with his length and jumping ability. Also, I'd be willing to bet that if Timmy D, KG, Dirk, etc. concentrated on rebounding and defense ALONE then they would put up numbers as good or better than Ben Wallace, but unlike Ben they actually know how to do stuff on the offensive end which makes then expend more energy on different facets of the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">points, tmac's better, the reason why kobe is up there is he stat stuffs his points. tmac shoots when the team needs him to shoot, while kobe has to get his points, no matter if the team needs him to or not. ADVANTAGE = TMAC </div> Where's the proof? Kobe tries to get a majority of his points when his team is down and he feels he needs to take over. How is that stat stuffing? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he's a good rebounder, since on defense he's always guarding the 3 point line and on offense he's shooting all the jumpers, so there really isn't many opportunities for him to get rebounds. ADVANTAGE= kobe </div> Kobe also is guarding perimeter players and shoots jumpers. How is there an advantage for either? If anything, like I said earlier, Tracy should get more boards because he is taller, longer, and jumps just about as high. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">assists, kobe has more, but how the hell don't you get at least 10 a game when you have shaq on your team. all you have to do is give him the ball and there is an assist. ADVANTAGE- tmac </div> Then explain why Kobe averages more assists when Shaq is out, especially with that crappy supporting cast. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">defense, kobe is overrated. he's good, but who wants to shoot a layup when shaq is gonna swat your ****. i know i wouldn't. tmac is good, but he just isn't at kobe's level yet, even though kobe has shaq. ADVANTAGE=kobe </div> Defense is the closest facet of the game between both of them, besides overall game. I'd give a slight edge to Kobe, but you an call it a draw. Yes, Tracy is a better shooter and Kobe is more clutch. Things aren't as lopsided as you made it seem to be.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "sunsfan1357":</div><div class="quote_post"><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">tmac, kobe and VC all play the same position, wow tmac is a whole 2 inches taller than VC, that doesnt matter at all, TMac is the second best rebounding 2 guard in the league next to Kobe, ur arguement about height is not valid considering that Ben Wallace leads the league in rebounds and he is quite a few inches smaller than a lot of centres and PF's, does this mean that all of them are shitty rebounders? the correct opinion would be that TMac is a pretty good rebounder for the position he plays, the evidence is all there </div> It doesn't matter if they play the same position or not. Tracy being 2 inches taller should give him the edge in rebounding, especially with his length and jumping ability. Also, I'd be willing to bet that if Timmy D, KG, Dirk, etc. concentrated on rebounding and defense ALONE then they would put up numbers as good or better than Ben Wallace, but unlike Ben they actually know how to do stuff on the offensive end which makes then expend more energy on different facets of the game.</div> ok if we are talking about just kobe and TMac then Tmac is only one inch taller and kobe probably has better hops so they are pretty much equal, they both rebound well TMac averages 6.5 and Kobe 6.9, for a 2 guard those numbers are really good, they are the two best averages in the league for a shooting guard. if we add in VC ok TMac has a couple inches on him but VC can jump higher so then again it pretty much evens out, plus really 2 inches does not matter, so VC is not as good a rebounder since TMac averages about 2 more boards a game the point i was trying to make with ben wallace is that height isnt all that important when it comes to rebounding, yes it helps but u dont see Shaq getting crucified because shorter ppl out rebound him i think the point of all this is getting lost, vinsanity originally said TMac was a horrible rebounder and that is not true, TMac is a great rebounder for his position as is Kobe
