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  1. nflfan04

    nflfan04 Dazed and Confused

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    yet again i have something from espn:

    i saw this a couple of weeks ago

    espn made this into a tourney thingy. they broke down the greatest atheletes of all time. they broke everything down and compared everyone to everything and such.

    who do you think the greatest football atheletes of ALL-TIME are?

    my top 5(no order)
    1. joe montana
    2. dan marino
    3. walter payton
    4. jerry rice(w/ the 49ers)
    5.brett favre

    of course theres still time for:
    1. mike vick
    2. tom brady
    3. randy moss
    a few other really young players

    your opinions
     
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    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    5 greatest ever i would not put favre because i cant be sure he hasnt worked out deals with several atheletes to allow him to get touchdown passes in exchange for ints later. I think using the word athelete is wrong for that list and i think player might be a better word. As an athelete rice and payton were great but marino was a statue with a arm, a golden arm.
     
  3. Philly_Freak93

    Philly_Freak93 The Oracle

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    dude its impossible to judge the "best ever" for a few reasons.

    1-the game has evolved since the 1930s
    2-different positions produce different stats

    the game has changed a LOT, if you put someone like Jim Thorpe of back then, in todays game he wouldnt be the player he was then.

    and you cant say the best player was "Montana" because he never played a diff. position. there are different stats, and different ways to influence and dominate and take over a game in football

    i think football is the only if one of the few sports that cant have a overall "best player" of all time. if you did that youd have to go by each position.

    mine would be...

    WR-Rice and Alworth
    RB-Payton and Brown
    QB-Elway
    TE-sharpe
    o-line i dont know alot about but Mike Webster© and Jacky Slater(T) gene upshaw(G)
    S-Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson
    CB-Dieon and Dick "Night train" Lane
    LB-LT,Ray Lewis, Dick Butkus(yea they were both MLB but so u cant pick between them) also Ray Nitsky(spelling)
    DE-Reggie White and Deacon Jones
    DT-Warrenn Sapp and Mean Joe Green

    coach-Bill Walsh
     
  4. nflfan04

    nflfan04 Dazed and Confused

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DAWK_VADER)</div><div class='quotemain'>dude its impossible to judge the "best ever" for a few reasons.

    and you cant say the best player was "Montana" because he never played a diff. position. there are different stats, and different ways to influence and dominate and take over a game in football

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    i didnt say montana was 1st, it says in no specific order, i understand that theree are different stats, i was just trying to see who you guys thought was/is the greatest player ever is
     
  5. Philly_Freak93

    Philly_Freak93 The Oracle

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    i didnt say u said that, i just picked him. that was just MO im not trying to diss u or anything
     
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    nflfan04 Dazed and Confused

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    ok, sorry my fault
     
  7. kcgsc

    kcgsc Chiefs Enthusiast Extraordinaire

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    OK. I'll say Montana should be 1st! I like to Aggrivate Dale and Beef, but I really would put Dan Marino right on his heels. What an arm. Those passing records for yardage and TD are gonna' stand for awhile!
     
  8. Bucs40etrain

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    Great point dawk the game has changed alot and since i didnt get to see some of them players other then on a black and white tv cam. I will give a updated opinon on who i beleive is the best alltime.

    1.Walter sweetness payton. The greatest ever and always will be!

    2.Joe montana, man was clutch and knew how to win.

    3.Ray lewis tho he is current he takes defenses and puts them on his back.Leads by example a true dominant force!

    4. Jerry rice the best ever to play his postion, our alltime leader in tds over 200 of them.

    5. Barry sanders tho he never won a thing, was thee most exciting rb i ever seen put in cleets. Truley gods gift for rb's along with sweetness.
     
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    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    If i had to choose five and make my own list(they will all be chicago players)

    1. Walter Payton
    2. Butkus/Singletary
    3. Sayers
    4. Ditka(was a VERY good TE)
    5. Michael Jordan, i know this is a stretch but man was he good [​IMG]
     
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    4THNLONGFELLOW Chicago Bears *********

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    Great list BF1, I'll second that![​IMG]
     
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    Pats37 The Next Big Thing

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    I'll go dawks route,

    QB- Montana
    HB a toss up between Payton/Brown/Sanders and I know some won't agree but Emitt Smith.
    WR Rice/Largent
    TE Winslow Sr
    OL John Hannah
    DE Decon Jones / Reggie White / Bruce Smith
    DT honestly don't know but I do know it's not SAPP.
    LB Ray Lewis / LT
    CB Got to be Dieon for pure cover skills
    S Ronnie Lott
     
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    Warren sapp HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
    i hope u were joking
     
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    staley22 nfl-*****s member

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    QB-John elway
    RB- payton

    i really liked john elway he was one of my favorite players ever
     
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    Eagles4Life He Hate Me

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    Without a doubt Steve Young. There has never been a QB with his combination of accuracy, elusiveness, rushing ability. Super Bowls aside, I think he was the most physically gifted QB of all time

    Did you know he has the most Rushing TD's of any QB of all time???
     
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    nflfan04 Dazed and Confused

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    well, if i had to choose a QB itd be dan marino, so what he didnt run, he had a great arm
     
  16. Philly_Freak93

    Philly_Freak93 The Oracle

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    who would take warren sapps place GF1?

    ill go 3-4, Reggie White Joe Green Deacon Jones
    Lawence Taylor RAy Lewis Dick Butkus Ray nitske
     
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    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    you should take off nitske, he is soooooo overrated and only started a few years.
    kansas city had a linebacker who was way better, i cant remember his name right now, singletary was better also. steelers had a couple who were better
     
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    Cadillac nfl-*****s member

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    The greatest football players of all-time?Here goes:

    1) Jerry Rice --- why you ask?200 tds. nuff said.

    2) Barry Sanders --- could possibly have rushed for 20, 000 yards in his career had he not retired prematurely.

    3) Dan Marino --- had he won a Superbowl, probably would be ranked in front of Montana.

    4) -(tie) --- Reggie White and Bruce Smith --- both have nearly or have 200 career sacks.

    5) Jim Brown --- ruled his generation.

    6) Joe Montana and Steve Young --- some experts say Young was better than Montana. Tough call

    7) -(tie)--- Walter Payton and Emmith Smith --- they're consistency and most notably, they were both indestructable is was stands out about them.

    8) Pick one: John Elway, Peyton Manning or Brett Favre

    9)-(tie) OJ Simpson and Eric Dickerson

    10) Randy Moss

    11) Ronnie Lott

    12) Ray Lewis

    13) Pick one: Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes or LaDainian Tomlinson

    14) Deon Sanders

    15) Tom Brady
     
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    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    i can tell cadillac you are a young guy because your list is skewed to the modern day player. The fact you put brady on the list and not John Unitas I think is an insult to him, if it is intentional.

    To rank barry sanders over payton is crazy, payton could have played 2 more years when he retired he retired to get into ownership. He was a better player but not a better runner. He caught better, blocked better, tackled better(had 18 tackles on defenders who had just made a int one year) he was a better power runer(look at TD difference). Even Emmit and jim brown didnt do all the things payton did,payton played QB for game.

    You also put Faulk in same group as tomlinson and holmes. Holmes has had 3 good seasons that is it. Tomlison is well no his way to being a true great. Faulk is a hands down hall of famer and at this point outclasses both of those players.

    I do like how you mixed players in from several positions, but you gave no love to offensice lineman, so how bout you throw out on your next post who your favorite OL of all time is. I will give some love to matt suhey as my favorite FB of all time [​IMG]
     
  20. Bucs40etrain

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    Barry sanders without a doubt was oustanding and the fact is he avg more yards a carry in less seasons then sweetness, unfortantly both rbs played in two diffrenct times. Sweetnees was more complete and its why he is the greatest ever.

    Marshall faulk was a second better coming of a roger craig type rb and his numbers are outstanding, however his injurys have effected him.

    Tom brady is unbeaten in the playoffs and he has won all his superbowls, so naturally people will assume his greatness. His
    story is still being written.

    As for tomlinson if tomlinson continues what he does he can catch emitts record, however marty ball may shorten his career. Its usually after 10 seasons on the avg a rb's numbers decline.
     

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