2002 Rookie Efficiency Ratings........

Alright, this kind of backfired on me on the other board, so Ill give it a whirl here. These rating came off of NBA.com. I just looked them up and wrote the following: Note this isn't saying I believe JR Bremer should have been taken ahead of Skita, or that he will be a better player than Skita. All its meant for is to show you that sometimes, surprising players outplay the much more hyped lotto picks. Enjoy!

2002 Rookie Efficiency Ratings (post #1)


I made a list of all the 1st round picks(mines Nenad Kristic) and took several notable 2nd rounders in this list below. The first list is the order the draft went in of all the players, with their respective draft position in parenthesis. The second list is the order it should have been, if you look at efficiency ratings only. Obviously, players are often taken for the future....but nonetheless, I thought this would be interesting.

Yao Ming(1)
Jay Williams(2)
Mike Dunleavy(3)
Drew Gooden(4)
Nickoloz Tskitishvili(5)
Dajuan Wagner(6)
Nene Hilario(7)
Chris Wilcox(8 )
Amare Stoudemire(9)
Caron Butler(10)
Jared Jeffries(11)
Melvin Ely(12)
Marcus Haislip(13)
Fred Jones(14)
Bostjan Nachbar(15)
Jiri Welsch(16)
Juan Dixon(17)
Curtis Borchardt(18 )
Ryan Humphrey(19)
Kareem Rush(20)
Qyntel Woods(21)
Casey Jacobson(22)
Tayshaun Prince(23)
Frank Williams(25)
John Salmons(26)
Chris Jeffries(27)
Dan Dickau(28)
Roger Mason Jr(31)
Robert Archibald(32)
Dan Gadzuric(34)
Carlos Boozer(35)
Tito Maddox(38 )
Lonny Baxter(44)
Rasual Butler(53)
Pat Burke(Undrafted)
Junior Harrington(Undrafted)
Smush Parker(Undrafted)
JR Bremer(Undrafted)

There's the list, in order, of the rookies I charted.


Now, here's the list in order of efficiency ratings(parenthesis indicates draft #):

Yao Ming 17.65 (1)
Amare Stoudemire 15.4 (9)
Carlos Boozer 14.81 (35)
Caron Butler 14.33 (10)
Nene Hilario 13.1 (7)
Drew Gooden 12.4 (4)
Jay Williams 9.61 (2)
Dajuan Wagner 8.23 (6)
JR Bremer 7.81 Undrafted
Junior Harrington 6.66 Undrafted
Dan Gadzuric 6.53 (34)
Mike Dunleavy 6.11 (3)
Smush Parker 5.97 Undrafted
Melvin Ely 5.79 (12)
Rasual Butler 5.74 (53)
Lonny Baxter 5.18 (44)
Jared Jeffries 4.95 (11)
Juan Dixon 4.6 (17)
Chris Wilcox 4.28 (8)
Casey Jacobson 3.78 (22)
Pat Burke 3.74 Undrafted
Dan Dickau 3.38 (28)
Nickoloz Tskitishvili 3.31 (5)
Tayshaun Prince 3.29 (23)
Marcus Haislip 3.28 (13)
Chris Jeffries 2.65 (27)
Kareem Rush 2.53 (20)
John Salmons 2.42 (26)
Ryan Humphrey 2.21 (19)
Frank Williams 2.19 (25)
Qyntel Woods 2.15 (21)
Roger Mason Jr 1.94 (31)
Tito Maddox 1.33 (38)
Jiri Welsch 1.19 (16)
Fred Jones 1.16 (14)
Bostjan Nachbar 1.14 (15)
Robert Archibald 0.83 (32)
Curtis Borchardt(inj) 0 (18)


As you can see, there is a shock as several undrafted rookies had a very good impact on their respective teams.

Now, if you were drafting on how a player will impact your team now, this is the chart of players and their +/- draft position they were taken compared to what they should have been taken(in order of efficiency ratings).

Yao Ming +0
Amare Stoudemire +7
Carlos Boozer +32
Caron Butler +6
Nene Hilario +2
Drew Gooden -2
Jay Williams -5
Dajuan Wagner -2
JR Bremer +49
Junior Harrington +48
Dan Gadzuric +23
Mike Dunleavy -9
Smush Parker +45

And thats the lottey picks that should have been.......

the rest of the draft:
Melvin Ely -3
Rasual Butler +38
Lonny Baxter +28
Jared Jeffries -6
Juan Dixon -2
Chris Wilcox -11
Casey Jacobson +2
Pat Burke +37
Dan Dickau +6
Nickoloz Tskitishvili -18
TayShaun Prince -1
Marcus Haislip -12
Chris Jeffries +2
Kareem Rush -7
John Salmons -2
Ryan Humphrey -10
Frank Williams -5
Qyntel Woods -10
Roger Mason Jr -1
Tito Maddox +6
Jiri Welsch -17
Fred Jones -20
Bostjan Nachbar -20
Robert Archibald -6
Curtis Borchardt (inj)

As you can see, from this viewpoint, teams such as the Nuggets(Skita), Rockets(Nachbar), Pacers(Jones) reached with their picks. While teams such as Cleveland(Boozer), Chicago(Baxter), and the Heat(R. Butler) made some excellent value picks.


With all this in mind, this is how the draft SHOULD have gone(if you just wanted efficiency)
1. Hou- Yao Ming
2. Chi- Amare Stoudemire
3. GS- Carlos Boozer
4. Mem- Caron Butler
5. Den- Nene Hilario
6. Cle- Drew Gooden
7. Den- Jay Williams
8. LaC- Dajuan Wagner
9. Phx- JR Bremer
10. Mia- Junior Harrington
11. Was- Dan Gadzuric
12. LaC- Mike Dunleavy
13. Mil- Smush Parker
14. Ind- Melvin Ely
15. Hou- Rasual Butler
16. GS- Lonny Baxter
17. Was- Jared Jeffries
18. Orl- Juan Dixon
19. Utah- Chris Wilcox
20. Toronto- Casey Jacobson
21. Por- Pat Burke
22. Phx- Dan Dickau
23. Det- Nickoloz Tskitishvili
Min- NA
24. NJ- TayShaun Prince
25. NY- Marcus Haislip
26. SA- Chris Jeffries
27. LA- Kareem Rush
28. Sac- John Salmons



And the draft at the very bottom, is just according to rookie efficiencies in order. It was just supposed to show you that
A. Sometimes surprises happen. Ex: Amare being such an impact player at #9.
and
B. That great value picks turn up in surprising places (Boozer, Bremer, Harrington

 

interesting, some teams made some really bad picks, and some made really good picks

 

Bump............in hopes of generating more responses.

 

skeeta was a horrible pick boozer was a steel.

 

Well, at least so far you guys are understanding the whole point of the thread.......its just meant to show some surprising players and how they performed. Im :-x that some others elsewhere cannot comprehend this even when I bold it, <font size="24">ENLARGE IT</font>, and anything else you can imagine. ITS JUST TO SHOW SOME SURPRISING RESULTS FROM SOME UNLIKELY ROOKIES!!!!!

 

very intersting Vintage

 

Boozer was probably the biggest steal in the draft. If Dajuan Wagner was healthy, he would have a much higher rating. Yao Ming, Amare Stoudemire, Dajuan Wagner, Caron Butler, Drew Gooden, Nene Hilario will all be big time players in the league. Guys like Skita could be.

 

Chris Jefferies!! The best, ahead of Kareem!

 

efficency ratings are really skewed. not an accurate way of catregorizing players and picking whos better

 

nice list

Vintage your maybe the best rookie i seen on here

 

Very interesting. Qyntel Woods is underrated.

 

yea. even thou i dont by effencincy ratings deffinetly an outstanding debut

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">With all this in mind, this is how the draft SHOULD have gone(if you just wanted efficiency) </div>

Yeah, but even if you went back and said this is how it should have went, Amare wouldn't have gone 2nd to Chi. Tyson, Curry, Donyell, why would they want Amare, they want a guard.

 

Thank you for the compliments.

And yes, the efficiency ratings from nba.com don't take into account PT, team depth, etc. Its just a measure of how efficient a player is, which you can draw your own conclusions as to whether or not they are good players.

Skita for example, is a huge prospect. Obviously its too early to tell whether he is a bust or not. He was 19 years old last year, which would be the same as coming straight out of HS. Boozer was a steal, I agree. And some others were steals as well.

And yes, I know Chicago, if they redid the draft, wouldn't draft Amare with Chandler, Marshall, and Fizer there already. The "draft list" was just in order of efficiency ratings, ie the most efficient went 1st, 2nd most efficient went 2nd, and so on.......it was just basically ordering them.

 

last year's draft is over with. yea, Lonny Baxter was a great pic. he was a crazy style rebounder back when he played for Maryland.

 

who do u think wil be the best players from this draft vint?

 

i think in regards to boozer, i actually like him a lot in the pros now, but i dont think he's gonna be that good of a player, i mean not an allstar or near allstar, just pretty good. mainly because he's undersized, and i think they would replace him in a second if they got liek a 6'11 pf. but hopefully he'll start next year and do pretty good. that list was pretty interesting, with the efficiency stuff and all, but it just makes me wonder what antoine walker's rookie efficiency rating was, it musta been about 100 or 200!!! right olskool!!

 

yea...interesting. and it seemse youre desperatly trying to irritate people for no reason rating is through the roof

 

i agree with the boozer comment - he was very good this year, but i can't see him getting a lot better, a lot of the players taken above him have better upsides

another guy i'm surprised wasn't mentioned is reggie evans - undrafted and ended up leading seattle in rebounds and impressed many with his hustle, toughness and defence

 

i dont think reggie evans played enough minutes to count maybe, because he was hurt a lot, so he didnt have the pt to get some meaningless stats on a poor team, he shoulda consulted antoine walker on how to do that i guess