How, in the past couple years, has it come down to the fact that Tony Parker just may be the most overrated player in the NBA? For his skill level he gets way too much praise. I see people saying he is a third best PG in the West, a top five PG in the league and whatnot. That's ridiculous. His passing is sub-par for a point guard, he doesn't rebound well, and he doesn't play that great of defense either. He is just a scorer. Now he is getting all this praise nationally as being a premiere point guard in the league when he will probably never reach the level of a Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, etc. Sure he's young, but he just doesn't have the tools to play on the level of those guys. He's a good, solid starting point guard, but he the chances of him being a real elite force at PG in the league are slim.
TP is not overrated..ok maybe he is by fools like MFD on ISH..but really TP is very young at 21....he is a 16 and 5 assist guy..he will clearly get better...he is very important to the spurs franchise...he attacks the rim well..and when duncan gets doubled teamed he knocks it down...he always gives L.A problems...which is one of the reason why spurs played L.A so well this year...and beat them in the first place...
When he is mentioned as a top 3-5 PG in the West, and one of the elite PG's in league overall then yes he is overrated. More people everyday are starting to say he is one of those elite PGs. People want the Spurs to go out of the way to satisfy Tony Parker instead of getting a PG in Kidd who is way better. Also, by signing Kidd, the Spurs more than likely would've gotten Alonzo Mourning to join them also so they improve the backcort and frontcourt. But people were saying, "What about TP?" Well make his whiny butt sit on the bench in place of a player who is better.
no way is he ova rated to come in and take the point....."sure hes young"...exactaly ,hes too young to judge what kind if a player he could be like.....if he was that overrated and seen as brillant would they really push him aside for kidd and just trade him,obviously hes not seen as the 3rd best pg if they'd trade him,its not fair for players like hima nd fisher to get thrown aside and nothing is appreciated
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When he is mentioned as a top 3-5 PG in the West, and one of the elite PG's in league overall then yes he is overrated</div> Who calls him that? Parker was upset because he helped lead his team to a title...over jason kidd's nets...who played pretty badly....parker and speedy outplayed him....parker is what the spurs need..kidd i don't is....parker can hit the open shots when duncan gets doubled teamed...i can't say the same for kidd...giving up on a 21 year ago player with his quickness and shooting touch would be a mistake..spurs don't want to throw away 90 odd million on kidd who is ALOT older than parker...when they should of been going after different players that suit their style of play..like a big man..thats the missing link now robinson has retired
i agree with allnet's last post. i do think that some people overrate tony.. sunsfan, you make a good point. tony is young, and pretty damn good for a 21 year old PG outta France. i expect him to get better and become one of the league's elite point guards. he's only been in the league for 2 years
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">no way is he ova rated to come in and take the point....."sure hes young"...exactaly ,hes too young to judge what kind if a player he could be like.....</div> He's not too young to judge what kind of player he could be like because through these two years he has been in the league there are things you can notice about players and what they will or will not be able to do. Allnet: They don't need a player who is a better passer, rebounder, and defender? If you didn't notice Kidd improved his offense a helluva lot this past season also. Kidd may be older, but he still has a lot of years left in him. So does Parker. What's wrong with bringing in Kidd to give Parker lessons on how to play point and make him even more effective when he either gets his starting job back or moves elsewhere? You say they need a big man? Well Alonzo Mourning made it clear that he will go where Kidd goes. Spurs sign Kidd, they get Alonzo also. That simple. slamduncan: Yes he is young, but people are wanting the Spurs to go out of their way to satisfy Parker and not get an upgrade at that position. Not just any upgrade, but an upgrade of the best player at that position in the league. He will have plenty of time to prove his worth, so why not sit back for a bit and learn from the best PG? When his contract is up he can move on or choose to stay and use what he has learned to be a better PG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They don't need a player who is a better passer, rebounder, and defender? </div> I think what spurs have now is good enough...kidd i don't think suits spurs style..kidd can't shoot either..when spurs need someone to hit jump shots when timmy is doubled teamed <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What's wrong with bringing in Kidd to give Parker lessons on how to play point and make him even more effective when he either gets his starting job back or moves elsewhere? </div> Parker has refused to be a back-up..and would ask for a trade...certainly don't want that <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You say they need a big man? Well Alonzo Mourning made it clear that he will go where Kidd goes. Spurs sign Kidd, they get Alonzo also. That simple. </div> I'm not convinced about Zo...he hasn't played for two years....i don't think he will be that great..he could be but i have my doubts...he might do a grant hill..elton brand would be on top of my list
I've gotta side with allnet on this one Sunsfan. wow. I started to make a huge post on this, but I think it'll be the subject of my next column: Rating the league's top-ten point guards and where a guy like Parker, who wins ball-games but does not put up huge numbers fits in among them. peace rocko220
Allnet: Kidd shot better, by a real slim margin, from three than Parker did this season while take a whole lot more threes so his shooting isn't as bad as people think. Kidd had to force up a lot of shots because there is no one to get Kidd open looks on the Nets like Duncan does for Parker on the Spurs. Also, like I said, Kidd, despite age, is still improving his offensive game. There's no reason to think that his shooting won't improve given as many open looks that Duncan would give him.
I'm not really on about threes..it is the mid-range game...duncan will always get double teamed..and he needs parker to hit the open shots which he is good at..proof 46 FG% shooter...kidd may well be improving his offensive game but really he is not what spurs need....i just don't want to give up on a 21 year old player like TP....not when spurs problems will be up front..duncan needs help at that spot more than the PG....everyone saw how well parker and duncan worked togeather in the playoffs...Parker was the key in the L.A series..and the mavs series
Give Kidd the open looks that Parker gets and I think he can shoot around the mid 40% area. Guess we'll never know though. This is turning more into another Spurs off-season topic than what I meant it to be.
You are right we will never know...but remember the old saying "if it isn't broke don't fix it" or something like that i think spurs are fine at the PG spot..duncan just needs some help in the front court..with robinson gone <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is turning more into another Spurs off-season topic than what I meant it to be.</div> Well yeah...but it takes some disussion away from the lakers
TP isn't overrated, he was drafted very late and look what hes done so far. its his job to score, the spurs are a good passing team and act much like the lakers and the kings when they move the ball around the court. hes the fastest guy in the league (ai might be a little faster), and as for his defence? he pretty well shut down kidd on some games during the finals. ive never heard anyone say hes a top 5 pg in the league, and since when is a pgs job rebounding? when youve got Drob and TD on your front court it isn't the pgs job to rebound.
If you look at the best pointguards in the game right now they are all decent/great rebounders. It's part of what makes them the best at their position because if they get a board then it's easier for them to start a fast break. Kidd, Payton, and Francis are considered as three of the top five PGs in the league and are good rebounders. Guys that are a notch below are also great rebounders for being a PG: Cassell, Arenas, Andre Miller, and Baron Davis are some of those guys.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "allnet":</div><div class="quote_post">remember the old saying "if it isn't broke don't fix it" or something like that </div> that definitely applies to this situation
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "olskoolFunktitude":</div><div class="quote_post">theyll be better with kidd so they will be fixing it</div> No,they only thing that needs fixing is the frontcourt..kidd will sign with nets...you know that by now right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "sunsfan1357":</div><div class="quote_post">If you look at the best pointguards in the game right now they are all decent/great rebounders. It's part of what makes them the best at their position because if they get a board then it's easier for them to start a fast break. Kidd, Payton, and Francis are considered as three of the top five PGs in the league and are good rebounders. Guys that are a notch below are also great rebounders for being a PG: Cassell, Arenas, Andre Miller, and Baron Davis are some of those guys.</div> TP isn't one of the best pgs anyway, and the people you named in bold are good rebounders because they have a garbage front court...when youve got TD and DRob, its not his job to rebound...
^good point. i have a feeling kidd could get plenty of rebounds on any team, but it helps that none of his front court averages 10rpg+
