Martin wants $87M over 6 years... Star-Ledger.com <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kenyon Martin's first chance to extend his contract will come today, and he and his agent plan to ask for the maximum the Nets could offer: roughly $87 million for six years. Whether they'll get it is another question. "I'm sure we'll be talking," said Brian Dyke, Martin's agent. "Kenyon and I are familiar with what's going on with the team and with management. Rod and I have a very good relationship. I'm sure we'll have a nice conversation." Martin is still under contract for the 2003-04 season for $5.1 million. His salary for the coming year will not change no matter what agreement Dyke and Nets president Rod Thorn meet. The extension Martin could sign would begin in the 2004-05 season and last six more seasons, meaning Martin would be under contract with the Nets for the NBA maximum allowable seven years. Martin's maximum salary would not be known until next July, when the salary cap is calculated, but it would likely start at roughly $11 million and escalate to roughly $19 million. Or, if the Nets decide not to extend Martin, he would be a restricted free agent next July 1. He would be free to negotiate with any other team, but the Nets would have the right to match whatever offer he received and keep him. Thorn said yesterday he would welcome Dyke's phone call, but did not tip his hand about what might transpire. "I have no expectations," Thorn said. "I have no clue what will happen." </div> 16 and 8 numbers are not MAX worthy....i don't know why martin thinks he is worth this..more so after his 3-23 performance in game 6 of the finals....no way he deserves this kind of contract...he would be getting more than Elton Brand..who puts up much better numbers You agree olskool?
whatever give the man what he wants, he's the 2nd biggest piece to the puzzle and he BETTER work for it im going to expect 20 12 numbers outta him next season
Kidd is on a 103 million contract over 6 or 7 years....martin is a 2nd option..no 2nd option deserves this kind of money...if he asks for that..trade him
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd is on a 103 million contract over 6 or 7 years....martin is a 2nd option..no 2nd option deserves this kind of money...if he asks for that..trade him</div> Guys, guys, guys........... This is the fine art of negotiating. I doubt Martin and his agent expect to get the max. They just threw that out there. A place to start from. You always ask for more than what you are worth. Then the GM offers something that underpays you, then you meet in the middle. (Note, this only applies to people whose salary is debateable. No one doubts Duncan is a max player, so there is no need to try to apply this to him). Brand is a good starting piece as to where Martin's contract will end up. Martins agent will argue that Martin is younger, does more things for the team, wins, and its in the East where he is a premier PF and deserves Brand's contract(in terms of salary). Does he really? No. I think Martin is worth a 6 year, $50 million extension. But he will get more. LaFrentz got more. Look for Martin's contract to be somewhere in the $65 million/6 year......possibly $70 million. This will hurt NJ bad. They cannot afford to be too deep into the luxury tax area. They will have Mutombo, Kittles, Kidd, and Martin with huge salaries. NJ is a small market team. They cannot afford to do that. Look at their attendance. How they will be able to afford this blows me away. What will have to happen is a salary dump move. Harris resigned at a reasonable price, right? Look for Kittles to be dumped for a shorter contract. Harris has proven to be a capable player and could start. Now I know NJ fans will harp on me for even SUGGESTING the trade of Kittles, but look at your market base. Mutombo, Kittles, Kidd, and an extended Martin put you over the cap. Your 8-10 man bench will put you over the luxury tax considerably. Small market base, paying the luxury tax= NJ Nets losing money. You cant lose money forever. Mutombo will be next to impossible to move. Kittles is a solid SG who can defend/shoot. Overpaid? Yes. But still a good player. NJ will have to move him to stay at or below the L.T. Something will need to be done.
I'm a K-mart fan But I agree, this sounds like a little too much... but hey.. that's why they call it contract negotiations I expect his numbers to go up next season though...
Get rid of him! Hes not worth that much money. That is retarded. Zo can take his spot at power forward. Deke at center.
vintage- im a net fan and i love the fact that u said kittles should be traded, he's garbage inconsistant and worthless to the organization i would love to dump kittles and get reggie but that wont happen, as long as kittles is gone im happy raptors21-hell no martin cant go he is a huge reason why we went to the finals twice 50 mill is good for him he's young and will be better, his next contract after 6 years should be what he wants
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Raptors21:</div><div class="quote_post">Get rid of him! Hes not worth that much money. That is retarded. Zo can take his spot at power forward. Deke at center.</div> How much is he worth according to you? Like Knicks235 said, they need him, he's young and has a nice future ahead of him. A lot of teams would like to have him on their roster, so the Nets better sign him, or they may lose him to free agency. <font size="1">Waiting for olskool to respond.........</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Raptors21:</div><div class="quote_post">Hes worth about 7 million with raises over six or five years. HES NOT WORTH EVEN CLOSE TO THE MAX.</div> ok, let's assume he gets 7 million in his first year, with a 1 million raise each year, for 6 years... 2004 7 2005 8 2006 9 2007 10 2008 11 2009 12 that 57 million, would be nice
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">martin is a 2nd option..no 2nd option deserves this kind of money...</div> Shawn Marion has a similar contract, does he not deserve it?
he deserves around 50 million. what are u gonna do with the other millions? don't be greedy and just take that money. where is olskool, can't wait to hear his reaction.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">Shawn Marion has a similar contract, does he not deserve it?</div> Marion puts up 21 and 10 if i'm not mistaken....abit of a difference from 16 and 8 numbers....
You said NO second option deserves that type of money. Either way, offenses with Jason Kidd don't call for 20 PPG scorers because of how he distributes things evenly. However I think Martin can put up 20 and 8, which is very close to Marion's 21 and 9.
i dont' see kidd as really the number 1 option because he's looking to give the ball up rather than score, but that's just my opinion. marion isn't a 2nd option though.
No 2nd option that averages 16 and 8 deserves this kind of money...i don't know what marion gets paid...if it is close to that of martin's one here..then he is overpaid....but thats the thing with the NBA today alot of players are getting greedy and asking for contracts way more than they are worth.Just the way it is..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting magicfrankie:</div><div class="quote_post">ok, let's assume he gets 7 million in his first year, with a 1 million raise each year, for 6 years... 2004 7 2005 8 2006 9 2007 10 2008 11 2009 12 that 57 million, would be nice </div> Its all about prespective. LaFrentz had a 60+million/ 6 year extension. There is no way Martin will want less than that(nor his agent). They will use this as a base to which Martin should be paid Now, Thorn will use Brand's contract and use that as a base to which Martin should be paid(less than Brand). It will all come down to how much Martin is willing to accept at or below what they(him and his agent) are offering. NJ has to be careful with his salary. They are moving dangerously close to the luxury tax area. Mutombo has a huge contract. That will not get moved. No team will take it on. They are stuck with him. Deke will be making 18 million next year(not this upcoming season, but the following.) Kidd will be making just under 15 Kittles just under 10 And Martin at 9(assuming he is signed to a LaFrentz- like contract) Thats 52 million just for 4 players. The rest of the bench puts them over the luxury tax. They will probably have a 65+ million cap. Now, the luxury tax figures to be around 55-57 million. Lets say it is set at 57 million. They are 8 over, meaning they have to pay another 8 million. $16 million lost. But teams that are below the L.T. get some revenue back. NJ probably would get aother 3-5 million back HAD they stayed BELOW the luxury tax area. They aren't, so they lose another 3-5 million. Total losses: $20 million To a small market, its huge.........They might not even make a profit that year(and basketball is a business). The good news is that Kittles' contract, Rogers, as well as Deke's, expire after that year, freeing up $23 million. But Brandon Armstrong, Richard Jefferson, and Jason Collins will all need to be extended at that point. Kittles will be a FA. Aaron Williams has a player option at 3.375 million, which he will use(he wont get more money elsewhere, so he will use it). There goes all that room you saved from Deke and Kittles. Jefferson will probably get somewhere around 6-8 million(more than ERob), Collins(5-7), and Armstrong will most likely be let go. So those 2 can probably take anywhere from 13-15 million(maybe more) of the 23 million you saved. Kittles would then be let go. There is no way NJ could afford another year like that. So in total, you saved about 8-10 million. More like 8, after the draft. So now NJ payroll enters the season at around $58 million. That will be right at the borderline. If they are over, it will only be by a million or so, and they WILL dump someone to stay below. But dont forget, Kristic is coming over too......that adds another million. They will be dangerously close to the L.T. They will want relief, and they will be forced to dump someone who might be a key part of their team to avoid the salary cap ramifications.
