<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">!!!!</div> http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread...70&page=2&pp=20
i think Moo2K4 mentioned somewhere that KMart deserves that salary because he's athletic and has loads of potential. players don't get awarded the max contract just because they have potential. the only guys who are signed based on potential are rookies. KMart is past that. He has to prove that he's worth that money before he actually gets it. I know the Nets will never give him that much.. they can't afford it. Even with the negotiations, 87 million is still way too much to ask for
Well, I think I said that he will get it in a few years. As long as he continues to produce more and more each year. Cause, in my opinion, he's gonna be one of the top players in the east in two or three years both offensively and defensively. Defensively, I think he's already one of the top 5 or 10 defenders in the east. But, these are just my opinions. No one ever said you had to agree, this is just what I think.
i understand.. but if teams were to give out contracts based on potential, they might end up getting screwed. take raef lafrentz. someone actually thought he'd be a good player and gave him a huge contract. what if KMart doesn't get any better? he probably will, but there's that what if.
I agree that THAT is greedy...because that would mean he would get about $14 mil...but they CAN'T drop him because he's part of the team that created the 2x ECF...I mean, c'mon...be rational!
Kmart will never be one of the top 25 players in either conferance and certainly not in the NBA. Vintage makes a good point about players basing their contract demands on what other players are getting but everyone and his mother knows that lafreanz is overpaid. Kmart isnt even a real star. no way he should get that kind of money. especially not from a small market team like new jersey with a weak fanbase whos owners cant really expect much return on their investment.
about the signing people on potential. that's what the magic got when they signed tmac to the max. it payed out, but kmart definetely isn't worth the max or anything close to it. he deserves around 40-50 mil if that, but i wouldn't be surprised if he got around 60-70 mil.
Slamduncan, players get paid based on what the COULD do in the future more often than you think. Brian Grant, Eddie Robinson, Tim Thomas, Damon Stoudamire, and more players have been given huge contracts while they were relatively young because of the potential they had to be really good players. Olskool: Not one of the top twenty five players in the East?
i still think thats a joke for a guy who does no better than 16 - 8 and would have a hard time averageing 12 points a game wihtout his point guard
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">about the signing people on potential. that's what the magic got when they signed tmac to the max. it payed out, but kmart definetely isn't worth the max or anything close to it. he deserves around 40-50 mil if that, but i wouldn't be surprised if he got around 60-70 mil.</div> the Magic got lucky there. like sunsfan said, that coulda been Erob with the max
very true. u have to hope the nets dont make that mistake with martin. theres better ways to spend youre money
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">Kmart will never be one of the top 25 players in either conferance and certainly not in the NBA.</div> That's a pretty big statement olskool... please name me 25 players for each conference who are so far ahead of K-mart that he will never be even close!
why do I even have to if it's not even really debatable? to prove to YOU that I know who they are? everyone has a different top 25 but I think everyone at this site ecxept certain overly bias kmart fanatics like u would agree he's not nearly on that level. the top players in the league are all franchise players who carry their teams. not dependant role players like Kmart.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">i still think thats a joke for a guy who does no better than 16 - 8 and would have a hard time averageing 12 points a game wihtout his point guard</div> I can't stand when people say this. Martin played two games last year without Kidd in the game. This first game against the Hornets Martin had 23 points off 9-17 shooting and 5-6 from the line, 13 rebounds and 5 assists. The Nets won. The second game against the Pistons he had 29 points off 11-23 shooting and 7-8 from the line, 15 rebounds, and 4 assists. The Nets lost. Martin averaged 26 PPG, a 50% shooting percentage, an 86% FT percentage, 14 rebounds per game, and 4.5 assists per game. Both of the teams were playoff teams. Furthermore, these two games were also played back to back with the Nets having to travel to Detroit the second game who had just beat the Celtics by 52 the day before. That's not bad for a guy who can't play without Kidd.
he needed 17 shots plus free throws to get 23 points. what does that tell you. he had a couple good games but he cant do it consittantly. just whatch him when kidd is on teh bench. or whatch him when he takes the ball and tries to drive himelf. hes easy to guard. hes not intimadating. im sorry but hes nothing more than an overgolorifyed role player. very overrated
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">he needed 17 shots plus free throws to get 23 points. what does that tell you.</div> That's 53% Garnett and Webber both averaged 23.0 PPG last year. Garnett averaged 18.1 shots and 6.1 FTA per game and Webber averaged 21.4 shots and 5.3 FTA per game. Martin's 23 points off 17 shots sounds pretty good to me. P.S. I'm not saying Martin is better than Webber or Garnett
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">why do I even have to if it's not even really debatable? to prove to YOU that I know who they are? everyone has a different top 25 but I think everyone at this site ecxept certain overly bias kmart fanatics like u would agree he's not nearly on that level. the top players in the league are all franchise players who carry their teams. not dependant role players like Kmart.</div> So whose top25 are you talking about then? Once again you're not backing up your statements. It's YOUR top25, and as we all know you are a wellknown K-mart hater, so we wouldn't expect to be K-mart near that top25. You're right when you say K-mart isn't a franchise player, but I don't think there are 25 franchise players in the eastern conference, are there? Or are you going to say that Antoine Walker is a franchise player?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MikeTodd09:</div><div class="quote_post">That's 53% Garnett and Webber both averaged 23.0 PPG last year. Garnett averaged 18.1 shots and 6.1 FTA per game and Webber averaged 21.4 shots and 5.3 FTA per game. Martin's 23 points off 17 shots sounds pretty good to me. P.S. I'm not saying Martin is better than Webber or Garnett</div> Great posts and research MikeTodd09! I wonder how olskool is going to respond to this, but I'm almost sure he's going to ignore your post or will come back with a statement like 'I've got nothing to prove to you'....
