and olskool you can't talk about the amount of shots he needed..considering you are a antonie walker fan..he averaged 20..and shoots under 40%..how many shots does AW take..anyone know? must be quit a bit..surely if he gets anyway close to 20 a game on those shooting %
maybe I havent by Has ANYONE even taken magicfrankie seriously enough to bother to respong to him?.........anyone?.........anyone?.........has he uysed any actual facts and numbers in any of his posts?................i didnt think so Allnet why can't I? Antoine is a better player who does more different things for his team? how many tripple doubles does Kmart have? oh Im sorry thats too harsh. how many games does Kmart even get up to 5 assists? thats how many toine has averaged over teh last few years. And Im still waiting for someone to prove to me this great discrepancy in rebounding. u keep saying how much better kmart is of a rebounder than toine. He had himself a nice career year in rebounds this year. ooh lala. 8 rebounds a game. that many? all while getting a "whopping" 16 points a game as his teams main scoring option. well antoine this year had a flukey 7. 2 rebounds per game. why is it flukey? cause antoine has NEVER averaged under 8 rebounds a game. in fact, prior to this year, there was only ONE season in which Antoine averagde less rebounds than kmarts career high. But he has averaged over 10 rebounds in a season in which he also averagde 22 points a game. how many times has Kmart averagde a double double over a year? oh thats right NONE! last year Kmart averaged a whopping FIVE coutem FIVE.30 rebounds a game! oh yea, he's a 20-10 guy in the making. a real ssssssssssuperstar Antoines career average is 20.8 points per game. 4 points higher than Kmarts career high. and Kmart is his teams first scoring option. Toine makes his 20 a game contribution all while being the number two scorer to Paul Pierce (I'll bet magicfrankie thinks KMart is better than pierce to. hehe....we cant blame him for trying can we guys) All that in itself is sufficeint proof that Kmart isn't on the same level as Walker. but I haven't even mentioned the intabgibles that Walker brings to the table that Kmart couldnt even imagine putting his finger on. Antoine is a team leader on teh court and on the bench (many say he could be a coach in this league when hes done if he wants to). When he talks his teammates listen and he actually tells them things that help their game. Kmart preffers to leap around, pound his chest, and ask jason kidd what to do whne things are down (or start pouting and bithcing at his teammates). Antoine Walker was in the league leaders in 12 NBA categorys this year. Kmart was in 4. Lets compare Kmart to some other real stars shall we? Antawn Jamison. He's played on some really good rebounding teams in Golden State but still has managed to get comparable rebounds to the "great rebounding KMart". he has a better career high and a much better career low and a slightly better career average. And he's NEVER had less offensive rebounds in a season than kmart had in his best year. He's also more durable. In the last three seasons, Jamison has averaged 82 StARTS a year. Kenyon Martin has never even played in 80 games in a season. Kenyon certainly gets the nod over Antawn for defense. he has slightly more blocks and slightly more steals but thats where the closeness between them ends when you look at scoring. Antawn Jamisons career average is also 4 points higher than Kmarts career high. Jamison has averaged about 25 points a game (24.9 ppg) in a season (in which he played all 82 games) almost ten points higher than Kmarts career high. Antawn Jamison has hit 20-plus points 182 times, 30-plus 46 times, 40-plus five times and two 50- plus efforts (in back to back games) whats Kmarts career high? oh yea. 35 points. How many times has he even got over 30 points in a game? not a whole lot. Antawn was in the league leaders in 10 NBA categorys this year. Kmart was in 4. Im not going to insult your intellegence be even bothering to compare Kmarts numbers to guys like Jermaine Oneal, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowvitski, Chris Webber, and Tim Duncan although I'd be more than happy to if you wanna see what a real max contract worthy players numbers look like but is it really nessecary? all u have to do is whatch thosed guys play and u know theres no contest. so lets try something easier on Kmart shall we? certainly everyone in the workd knows kmart blows non perrenial all star popwer forwards out of the water right? guys like say, Pau Gasol???.....wellllll not quite. Gasols only been in the league for two years. He wasn't the number one pick in the draft like Kenyon Martin, but he was rookie of the year for his class. what did Kmart get for rebounds over his first two years? 7.4, and 5.3. Gasol had 8.9 rebounds last year and slipped allllll the way down to 8.8 this year. (boy hes on the way out huh?) and both years Gasol ot more offensive rebounds than Kmarts ever gotten. In college, Kmart was seen as the next great NBA shot blocker. He's averaged 1. 3 since he's been in the league. Pau Gasol averaged over 2 blocks a game his first year and 1.80 his second year, more than Kmart has ever gotten. Gasol also has more assists than Kmarrt but well ignore that for K's sake. Gasols career FG% is over .510%. Kmarts career high is .470% and yes Gasols career scoring average is 4 points higher than Kmarts. Gasol was in the league leaders (top 20) in 16 NBA categorys this year. Kmart was in 4. well then CERTAINLY kenyon martin must be far and away better than a wasteoid like Shareef Abdur Rahim. whos only been selected to one all star team and has never even been in the playoffs right? ummmm..... Shareed Abdur Rahims career scoring average is (why odes this feel like a pattern?) 4 points higher than Kenyon Martins career high. he has averaged 20+ points a game 5 times and has never averaged less than Kmarts career high and his career FG% is 4 points higher than Kmarts. only once has he averaged less assists than Kmarts career high and that was in his first season. Shareef also bested Kmarts career high in rebounds 4 times. He had over 10 a game in one season and over 9 a game in 2 others. He has played in 80+ games a season 5 times which Kmart has never done. This year Shareef was in teh league leaders in 13 NBA categorys. Kmart was in 4.... I know thats a long post. you see I have a lot of information proving that Kmart isnt better than a lot of the people he gets more credit than and I put a lot of it in there. I'm sure its gonna go over the heads of a few 4th grade reading level guys (cough cough, magicfrankie) but the folks who actually bother to read will be in agreement with me if they arent already. sorry Kmart fans but it had to be said.
How much of that post is exactly directed at me? i didn't say martin was a star...because he isn't one yet...he suits the nets..,ason kidd and is a key member of their team.without him they would of not made the finals....as for jamison...AJ is a good player..but i would rather have martin..as he brings that energy and works hard every game...which is why i would rather him him..as thats what the pistons are all about also As for walker...i only brought him up as you mentioned the amount of shots martin took to score his points in the games without kidd....when clearly walker needs his shots to score 20 a game
I wasnt directly at you exclusivley u allnet. and guys like AJ work just as hard as Kmart every game. the difference is they dont get rattled and throw up a 3-23 as soon as things start to get tough. even u need to admit that kmart is easily shakeable and intimidated when the game starts to turn against him. even if u dont the stuff I posted up there is all facts, numbers and very accurate. hows that for research
Your big Antoine Walker speech was pretty worthless. You know why? Because people weren't talking about what they do for all-around games. They were talking about the fact that you were carping on Kenyon's game for needing 17 shots to score 23 points (when he still shot 54%), while a guy on your team is an even worse case than that on a game by game basis. No one was talking about who is more valuable or who averages more assists. Antawn Jamison isn't better than Kenyon. Keyon is a better rebounder, passer, statistical defender (steals and blocks, but not by much), and blows Antawn "I don't play defense" Jamison out of the water on man to man defense. Antawn is a better scorer sure, but being the better scorer doesn't excuse Antawn in being lame in something that is equally important, which is defense. Also if you haven't noticed, teams with Jason Kidd don't really allow for 20+ PPG scorers because of how he distributes the ball all around. I think Kenyon can break that sooner rather than later. Who was comparing Kenyon to TD, Jermaine, KG, etc.? Anyone? Didn't think so. We know those guys are all max players. No one in here, besides one person I think, said Kenyon is worth the max. So what's the point of bringing the superstars in here? Vintage already pointed out that this demand is more of a bargaining tool, a point you seem to ignore. Kenyon knows there's probably a really slim chance of getting that money, but if he does get the money he and his agent look like geniouses for getting a player like Kenyon max money. There's no harm in asking for that much right off the bat. Really, what's the point of bringing in Gasol and Shareef in the argument? You said there were 25 players better than Kenyon in the EAST. So you name Gasol and Jamison who play in the West? You were clearly reaching for another way to try to insult Martin because you can't even bring yourself to try and prove one of your arguments.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">even u need to admit that kmart is easily shakeable and intimidated when the game starts to turn against him. </div> Yes,i noticed that in the finals....but when going up against Tim Duncan it is no surprise.. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">even if u dont the stuff I posted up there is all facts, numbers and very accurate. hows that for research </div> Yeah you did bring up some good points,i'm impressed..a very long post..but a good one
I know right? that was longer than the article I wrote. and I didnt even have to add stuff about me picking me nose when I was 6
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">Your big Antoine Walker speech was pretty worthless. You know why? Because people weren't talking about what they do for all-around games. They were talking about the fact that you were carping on Kenyon's game for needing 17 shots to score 23 points (when he still shot 54%), while a guy on your team is an even worse case than that on a game by game basis. No one was talking about who is more valuable or who averages more assists. Antawn Jamison isn't better than Kenyon. Keyon is a better rebounder, passer, statistical defender (steals and blocks, but not by much), and blows Antawn "I don't play defense" Jamison out of the water on man to man defense. Antawn is a better scorer sure, but being the better scorer doesn't excuse Antawn in being lame in something that is equally important, which is defense. Also if you haven't noticed, teams with Jason Kidd don't really allow for 20+ PPG scorers because of how he distributes the ball all around. I think Kenyon can break that sooner rather than later. Who was comparing Kenyon to TD, Jermaine, KG, etc.? Anyone? Didn't think so. We know those guys are all max players. No one in here, besides one person I think, said Kenyon is worth the max. So what's the point of bringing the superstars in here? Vintage already pointed out that this demand is more of a bargaining tool, a point you seem to ignore. Kenyon knows there's probably a really slim chance of getting that money, but if he does get the money he and his agent look like geniouses for getting a player like Kenyon max money. There's no harm in asking for that much right off the bat. Really, what's the point of bringing in Gasol and Shareef in the argument? You said there were 25 players better than Kenyon in the EAST. So you name Gasol and Jamison who play in the West? You were clearly reaching for another way to try to insult Martin because you can't even bring yourself to try and prove one of your arguments.</div> this is great. sunsfan cant come up with anything to say to the information I posts so he diverts the attention to other irelevant stuff thats from like 3 pages ago. sunsfan the only reason u think the walker paragraph was useless is becasue it proves you wrong. find me one piece of information or stat I posts there that was falso or innacurate.....im waiting........cant find one? aww. thats too bad. oooooooh u really "SLAYED" my arguemnt by pointing out that Gasol and Jamison are in the west and not the east. I never knew that get a clue. i was bringing up NBA players who people dont talk about as being as good as kenyon martin and proved why they are
Did you just bother to not read my post or something? The Walker bit was useless because we WEREN'T DISCUSSING THEIR INDIVIDUAL GAMES. Now I'm going to give you a second to digest that........that better? Ok. What we were discussing was the fact that you were carping on Kenyon's game for scoring 23 points on 17 shots, while he STILL shot 53%. Antoine was brought up because no one sees you complain about him needing 20 shots to score 20 points. No where did I see, "Kenyon is a better player than Antoine," or, "Kenyon averages more assists than Antoine." All I saw being discussed was how many shots each player took to score a certain amount of points. Then you come out with an essay about how one player is more valuable than the other and whatnot. Who said I "slayed" your argument? You said there were 25 better players in the east. People called you out on that. Did I see anything about the western conference players in this thread? Did I see anything saying Kenyon was better than Shareef or Gasol? No, I saw people asking for your list of what 25 players in the east were better than Kenyon. Then you respond with that garbage you just posted simply because you can't.
*yawn*. no. we were discussing whos better. we wre discussing whether Kenyon Martin is a real star and deserves to be paid like one (that is what the threads title indicates). forget about the conference stuff. even if you thought we were talking about that, changing the subject doesnt make what I posted any less true. u just dont have the guts to face it. did u even read the whole post?
The King of not discussing the points that other people make yet again strikes. Forget about the conference stuff? If you don't remember you were the one that brought up the conference stuff. People called you out on it and you failed to prove your point, which, according to you, you seem to do with every post.
youre really reaching right now sunsfan. what r u talking about? Im the one who says what point Im trying to make not u. my point is that Kenyon Martin is overrated. He doesnt deserve to be paid like a big star and he isnt as good as many of the people u and others say hes better than and I proved it with this (if u missed it the first time.) maybe I havent by Has ANYONE even taken magicfrankie seriously enough to bother to respong to him?.........anyone?.........anyone?.........has he uysed any actual facts and numbers in any of his posts?................i didnt think so Allnet why can't I? Antoine is a better player who does more different things for his team? how many tripple doubles does Kmart have? oh Im sorry thats too harsh. how many games does Kmart even get up to 5 assists? thats how many toine has averaged over teh last few years. And Im still waiting for someone to prove to me this great discrepancy in rebounding. u keep saying how much better kmart is of a rebounder than toine. He had himself a nice career year in rebounds this year. ooh lala. 8 rebounds a game. that many? all while getting a "whopping" 16 points a game as his teams main scoring option. well antoine this year had a flukey 7. 2 rebounds per game. why is it flukey? cause antoine has NEVER averaged under 8 rebounds a game. in fact, prior to this year, there was only ONE season in which Antoine averagde less rebounds than kmarts career high. But he has averaged over 10 rebounds in a season in which he also averagde 22 points a game. how many times has Kmart averagde a double double over a year? oh thats right NONE! last year Kmart averaged a whopping FIVE coutem FIVE.30 rebounds a game! oh yea, he's a 20-10 guy in the making. a real ssssssssssuperstar Antoines career average is 20.8 points per game. 4 points higher than Kmarts career high. and Kmart is his teams first scoring option. Toine makes his 20 a game contribution all while being the number two scorer to Paul Pierce (I'll bet magicfrankie thinks KMart is better than pierce to. hehe....we cant blame him for trying can we guys) All that in itself is sufficeint proof that Kmart isn't on the same level as Walker. but I haven't even mentioned the intabgibles that Walker brings to the table that Kmart couldnt even imagine putting his finger on. Antoine is a team leader on teh court and on the bench (many say he could be a coach in this league when hes done if he wants to). When he talks his teammates listen and he actually tells them things that help their game. Kmart preffers to leap around, pound his chest, and ask jason kidd what to do whne things are down (or start pouting and bithcing at his teammates). Antoine Walker was in the league leaders in 12 NBA categorys this year. Kmart was in 4. Lets compare Kmart to some other real stars shall we? Antawn Jamison. He's played on some really good rebounding teams in Golden State but still has managed to get comparable rebounds to the "great rebounding KMart". he has a better career high and a much better career low and a slightly better career average. And he's NEVER had less offensive rebounds in a season than kmart had in his best year. He's also more durable. In the last three seasons, Jamison has averaged 82 StARTS a year. Kenyon Martin has never even played in 80 games in a season. Kenyon certainly gets the nod over Antawn for defense. he has slightly more blocks and slightly more steals but thats where the closeness between them ends when you look at scoring. Antawn Jamisons career average is also 4 points higher than Kmarts career high. Jamison has averaged about 25 points a game (24.9 ppg) in a season (in which he played all 82 games) almost ten points higher than Kmarts career high. Antawn Jamison has hit 20-plus points 182 times, 30-plus 46 times, 40-plus five times and two 50- plus efforts (in back to back games) whats Kmarts career high? oh yea. 35 points. How many times has he even got over 30 points in a game? not a whole lot. Antawn was in the league leaders in 10 NBA categorys this year. Kmart was in 4. Im not going to insult your intellegence be even bothering to compare Kmarts numbers to guys like Jermaine Oneal, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowvitski, Chris Webber, and Tim Duncan although I'd be more than happy to if you wanna see what a real max contract worthy players numbers look like but is it really nessecary? all u have to do is whatch thosed guys play and u know theres no contest. so lets try something easier on Kmart shall we? certainly everyone in the workd knows kmart blows non perrenial all star popwer forwards out of the water right? guys like say, Pau Gasol???.....wellllll not quite. Gasols only been in the league for two years. He wasn't the number one pick in the draft like Kenyon Martin, but he was rookie of the year for his class. what did Kmart get for rebounds over his first two years? 7.4, and 5.3. Gasol had 8.9 rebounds last year and slipped allllll the way down to 8.8 this year. (boy hes on the way out huh?) and both years Gasol ot more offensive rebounds than Kmarts ever gotten. In college, Kmart was seen as the next great NBA shot blocker. He's averaged 1. 3 since he's been in the league. Pau Gasol averaged over 2 blocks a game his first year and 1.80 his second year, more than Kmart has ever gotten. Gasol also has more assists than Kmarrt but well ignore that for K's sake. Gasols career FG% is over .510%. Kmarts career high is .470% and yes Gasols career scoring average is 4 points higher than Kmarts. Gasol was in the league leaders (top 20) in 16 NBA categorys this year. Kmart was in 4. well then CERTAINLY kenyon martin must be far and away better than a wasteoid like Shareef Abdur Rahim. whos only been selected to one all star team and has never even been in the playoffs right? ummmm..... Shareed Abdur Rahims career scoring average is (why odes this feel like a pattern?) 4 points higher than Kenyon Martins career high. he has averaged 20+ points a game 5 times and has never averaged less than Kmarts career high and his career FG% is 4 points higher than Kmarts. only once has he averaged less assists than Kmarts career high and that was in his first season. Shareef also bested Kmarts career high in rebounds 4 times. He had over 10 a game in one season and over 9 a game in 2 others. He has played in 80+ games a season 5 times which Kmart has never done. This year Shareef was in teh league leaders in 13 NBA categorys. Kmart was in 4.... I know thats a long post. you see I have a lot of information proving that Kmart isnt better than a lot of the people he gets more credit than and I put a lot of it in there. I'm sure its gonna go over the heads of a few 4th grade reading level guys (cough cough, magicfrankie) but the folks who actually bother to read will be in agreement with me if they arent already. sorry Kmart fans but it had to be said.
very good long post olskool, i actually read it, but sunsfan is right about the part of needing 20 shots to score 20 pts and that kmart is in the top 25 players in the east, but in the lower part of it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">youre really reaching right now sunsfan. what r u talking about? Im the one who says what point Im trying to make not u. my point is that Kenyon Martin is overrated. He doesnt deserve to be paid like a big star and he isnt as good as many of the people u and others say hes better than and I proved it with this (if u missed it the first time.)</div> Your point in saying Martin is overrated was saying that he is not a top 25 player in the East....you try to prove that by saying how two players from the West are better? Great way in proving your initial point. Like I said that whole essay was worthless because it wasn't explaining any points you made through the thread. No one said Martin is better than Walker, yet you type a paragraph or two explaining why Walker is better than Martin? You basically said that Martin is not a top 50 player in the NBA. We're not asking you to name 50 players better. I'm asking you to name the 25 players you think are better from the Eastern conference. Since you said so easily that Martin isn't a top 25 player in the East it shouldn't be hard for you to name those players, right?
thats one little detail though. u have to admit it gets overpowred by all th stuff I put in there. I'll do another long post with 25 best players in the east and why kmart isnt in there. I hope youll forgive for not haivng the desire to take the time to do it right away after the epic i just did. I didnt think I should really have to prove it casue its so obvious I mean thats like if you waneted me to do a three page post on why carlos boozer isnt one of the 25 best in the east. its just not nessecary
olskoolFunktitude, you disappoint me (actually not really) First of all, you talk about K-Mart's lack of assists. That is because Martin has an assist man called J-Kidd. Your response might be, "He should still have more assists." Well let's see, who was a great assist-man...Ahh, John Stockton. The Jazz also had a power forward named Karl Malone. Did you know that Malone never averaged more than 3 assits until his 6th season...probobly not. You also talk about Martin's "whopping" 16PPG. If Martin took as many shots as Walker last year, Martin would have 23.6 PPG compared to Walker's 20.1. You might say that Martin cannot take that many shots because he cannot creat that many shots. Well my previous post disproves that accusation. You also talk about how Martin has never averaged a double-double. Well Walker has played 7 years compared to Martins 3. Walker has only averaged a double-double once. I think Martin has 4 years to go) (Even with the TEAM rebounding of the Nets.. i.e. Mutumbo, Mourning, Jefferson, and Kidd) (The Nets were 10th last year in Team Rebounding..Boston was 26th.) However, do you really need 10+ RPG. Last year there were 10 players who averaged over 10RPG, only 5 of those teams had more rebounds than the Nets. Ben Wallace led the league the past two years in rebounding. Last year Detroit was 25 in team rebounding. 2 years ago they were LAST. Individual rebounding is overrated in my opinion. If you didn't know Martin is the team leader, even though Kidd is a better player, just as Pirece is a better player than Walker. Martin is the one who keeps everyone pumped before, during and after the game. You also talk about Martin's tattoo-showing, chest-pumping attitude. Guess where 95% of that is done...At HOME. He does it to pump up the crowd. He wants to juice up the fans. An hour+ after game 4 against the Pistons Martin was on the court having celebrating with the fans. (Martin also doesn't lead the league in Technicals...Walker does)
i actually think you make good points there. At least you seem to know what youre talking abouta nd arent making this into some stupid personnal thing unlike some people around here but consider this: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MikeTodd09:</div><div class="quote_post">olskoolFunktitude, you disappoint me (actually not really) First of all, you talk about K-Mart's lack of assists. That is because Martin has an assist man called J-Kidd. Your response might be, "He should still have more assists." Well let's see, who was a great assist-man...Ahh, John Stockton. The Jazz also had a power forward named Karl Malone. Did you know that Malone never averaged more than 3 assits until his 6th season...probobly not.</div> thats true. I know that but you knew he could pass unlike Kmart if u whatched him. His first few years he averaged more assists than Kenyon Martin has and he went on to average over 4 assists a game several times. players like Malone and Kmart and other big men arent called opon to make a lot of assists but it makes them better players when they can and more versatile for their teams. Karl Malone also scored and rebounded MUCH better than Martin his first few years and could also carry his team and be dependable to score by himself. I dont care what u said in your post that Kmart had TWO good games with out Kidd all u have to do is whatch him try to score by himself. he cant do it consistantly when JKidd doesnt have the fast break going as u can see by hiis performance in the last two games of the NBA finals. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You also talk about how Martin has never averaged a double-double. Well Walker has played 7 years compared to Martins 3. Walker has only averaged a double-double once. I think Martin has 4 years to go) (Even with the TEAM rebounding of the Nets.. i.e. Mutumbo, Mourning, Jefferson, and Kidd) (The Nets were 10th last year in Team Rebounding..Boston was 26th.)</div> Yes but Antoine Walker did it whithin his first three seasons and has avereged over 9 rebounds a year two more times and well over eight others. this is Kmart first year well over 7 rebounds a game. Last year he averaged FIVE a game. Antoine also scored 20 a game his first three years. Walker has seen a slight drop in his rebounding numbers the last couple years cause lets face it hes gotten out of shape but his performacne in the last playoff series really ate at him. Even though Walker has been bettter his whole career he did get outplayed by Martin for four games. He hired a million dollar personal trainer. for that kind of money I fully expect walker to get into the kind of shape he was in a few years ago and will have the kind of great years hes PROVED that hes capable of having. U can bet he wants to prove that last playoff seriees was a fluke. And the Nets didn't have Zo last year and Mutumbo didnt play. they were tenth in the leagure in rebound because Kidd and Jefferson and Collins picked up KMarts slack on the boards <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, do you really need 10+ RPG. Last year there were 10 players who averaged over 10RPG, only 5 of those teams had more rebounds than the Nets. Ben Wallace led the league the past two years in rebounding. Last year Detroit was 25 in team rebounding. 2 years ago they were LAST. Individual rebounding is overrated in my opinion.</div> No you dont nessecarilly NEED a 10+ rebounder but if u want to be a big star and get paid like one u need to come very close unless youre giving your team something else very significant like good passing or leadership or knowledge of the game or dependable scoring (and I mean dependable as in consistant scoring and being able to carry your team for lengths of time and being able to give your team two points when they really need them at ANY time. Im sorry but Kmart just doesnt do that). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you didn't know Martin is the team leader, even though Kidd is a better player, just as Pirece is a better player than Walker. Martin is the one who keeps everyone pumped before, during and after the game. You also talk about Martin's tattoo-showing, chest-pumping attitude. Guess where 95% of that is done...At HOME. He does it to pump up the crowd. He wants to juice up the fans. An hour+ after game 4 against the Pistons Martin was on the court having celebrating with the fans. (Martin also doesn't lead the league in Technicals...Walker does)</div> that is some MAJOR BS!! EVERY scout, caoch, and educated fan knows jason Kidd is the leader of the Nets. Without Kidd they miss the playoffs. With him theyre in with or without Martin. KMart couldnt lead an inner city pee wee basketball team. You cant convince me that he actually pumps up his team before games. they look to Kidd and Scott for leadership. All kmart does is ask jason Kidd and SCott what to do when things are going tough (or start bitching and whining at his teammates). Martin pumps up the fans huh? thats cause fans like dunks and skippinig all the counter productive embarrassing chest pounding and face making stuff wont change that. Its not like Martin makes the nests more marketable or sells tickets. the nets still couldnt sell out the cont last year in the regular season consistantly and STILL couldnt sell out all their games in the first rounds of the playoffs. I cant BELIEVE u brought up Walker leading the league and Martin in T's this year. the refs obviously have an agenda against walker. im not syaing they LOVE kmart but come ON!!! Walker got a technicall for LOOKING at a ref this year. i swear to god he got it for LOOKING at him!!
there are definately 25 players in both conferences better than k-mart. if you can name 2 people off each team in the east better than him, you already have 28 players ahead of him.
exactly. Im glad someone finally brought that up. u dont have to name 25 players in each conferance to know that earl boykins isnt one of hte top 25 either
