<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">whats more important...scoring 30 points a game, or taking your team to the nba finals? kidd may not score 25 points a game, but he wins, and that is whats important. he IS the best pg in the game right now, and youd be hard pressed to find someone who agrees with you that he isnt.</div> He might have lead his team to the finals..But he is in the east..There really aint much in the east that is tough to get by..And i dont really care if anyone agrees with me..But i think Steve Francis is better then Kidd..I mean he does just about the same as Kidd(Grab Rebound/Get Assist/Defend Well) But Francis Scores more..And i dont no if i am sure or not but i think he shoots alot better then Kidd..
1. Kenyon Martin (wants to get paid 20million MORE than lamar Odom and has worse career scoring, assist and rebounding average.) 2. Vince Carter (all star starter. didnt play ten games in the first half. doesnt matter how much talen you have if you never play) 3. Latrell Spreewell (hurts his team as much as he helps them. never been an elite player and hes been on teh decline) 4. Glenn Robinson (also hurts his team as much as he helps. not as big a star as he thinks) 5. Kobe Bryant (hes a great GREAT player. hes not the best ever. hes not the best in the league. and hes NOT the best on his team. get over it.) all u people who think Kidd is overrated need to "drink some poison" as shaq would say. He took the NEW JERSEY NETS to the finals twice in a row and counting. without him theyre a last place team
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">1. 2. Vince Carter (all star starter. didnt play ten games in the first half. doesnt matter how much talen you have if you never play) </div> Thats not true, he was picked because he made a statement to NBA-fans world wide that he was improving and he would be healthy to play by the all-star game, and therefore if people thought he would be healthy they should vote for him coz hes one of the mosty exciting players around. I mean as a VC-fan ill admit hes come off probably the worst season of his career even when he was healthy but that doesnt mean he is overrated... he was never 100% and thats the image you've all got stuck in your head! Hopefully this year he'll be back to 100% and can prove thats hes not all dunks, but the heart of Toronto and he'll hit those jumpers and show those moves we all saw a few years ago
Some people's lists here are so wack...KVH is overrated for sure... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace is the most overrated player in the NBA easily. He is such an overrated defensive player its not even funny. He gets lots of rebounds. Oh ok.</div> are you looking for an award for dumbest post of the year or something? He is an overrated defensive player? is that why he has gotten the last two DPOY? 15 rebounds a game..best since rodman...helped lead pistons to back to back division title and 50 wins..yet he is overrated? what a load of bull... with posts like yours i wonder..."do you even watch pistons play or basketball in general?" clearly not.. ben is underrated to me..wasn't til people saw him on national T.V they give him any credit....and even now people don't rate him really highly or enough as they should
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Kenyon Martin (wants to get paid 20million MORE than lamar Odom and has worse career scoring, assist and rebounding average.) 2. Vince Carter (all star starter. didnt play ten games in the first half. doesnt matter how much talen you have if you never play) 3. Latrell Spreewell (hurts his team as much as he helps them. never been an elite player and hes been on teh decline) 4. Glenn Robinson (also hurts his team as much as he helps. not as big a star as he thinks) 5. Kobe Bryant (hes a great GREAT player. hes not the best ever. hes not the best in the league. and hes NOT the best on his team. get over it.) all u people who think Kidd is overrated need to "drink some poison" as shaq would say. He took the NEW JERSEY NETS to the finals twice in a row and counting. without him theyre a last place team</div> 2nd dumbest post of the year..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Some people's lists here are so wack...KVH is overrated for sure... He is an overrated defensive player? is that why he has gotten the last two DPOY? 15 rebounds a game..best since rodman...helped lead pistons to back to back division title and 50 wins..yet he is overrated? what a load of bull... with posts like yours i wonder..."do you even watch pistons play?" clearly not.. ben underrated to me..wasn't til people saw him on national T.V they give him any credit....and even now people don't rate him really highly or enough as they should</div> Respect! That is so true!!!!
Who cares if Jason Kidd gets 20 pts a game? How about this. 18 ppg + 9 apg 9 apg = 18 pts How about that. Jason Kidd creates 36 points per game. Thats pretty good. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">are you looking for an award for dumbest post of the year or something? He is an overrated defensive player? is that why he has gotten the last two DPOY? 15 rebounds a game..best since rodman...helped lead pistons to back to back division title and 50 wins..yet he is overrated? what a load of bull... with posts like yours i wonder..."do you even watch pistons play or basketball in general?" clearly not.. ben is underrated to me..wasn't til people saw him on national T.V they give him any credit....and even now people don't rate him really highly or enough as they should</div> You have to be kidding. Ben Wallace, people now consider him a top 10 player, it is a joke. He is the best defensive player in the NBA, and Ron Artest is probably the best perimeter defender. Ben Wallace went from underrated to overrated in 2 seasons. Ben Wallace is a joke as an offensive player. And, that is a good team they have, it wasn't all him. They played great defense as a team. He gets 11 defensive rebounds per game. 4 offensive. Thats not even first in the league, Elton Brand is first in the league in offensive rebounds.. Defensive rebounds are the most overrated statistic that there is. Ben Wallace just stands down low, when guys like KG are out on the perimeter sometimes, so think about the rebounds they could of gotten if they were in the right spot. KG already gets 2 rebounds less a game than KG. Donyell Marshall got ONE LESS offensive rebound than Ben Wallace in TEN LESS minutes per game. And about the blocks, he gets a ton of blocks from helping out defensively and blocking his teammates opponent. I love how people automatically question your basketball knowledge when you think a player is overrated.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You have to be kidding. Ben Wallace, people now consider him a top 10 player, it is a joke. He is the best defensive player in the NBA, and Ron Artest is probably the best perimeter defender.</div> NO ONE rates him top 10...if they did it would be because of the way he has got the pistons to be so good the last two years... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace went from underrated to overrated in 2 seasons.</div> NOPE...he is still underrated by many people... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace is a joke as an offensive player. And, that is a good team they have, it wasn't all him. They played great defense as a team.</div> He isn't an offensive player..thats not his style...without ben pistons would be not be near the top of the east..plain and simple...pistons defence is still good..but without him players go down the middle with ease and aren't scared... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ben Wallace just stands down low, when guys like KG are out on the perimeter sometimes, so think about the rebounds they could of gotten if they were in the right spot. KG already gets 2 rebounds less a game than KG.</div> He plays center..what else is he suppose to do? he is a shot blocker....and rebounder inside...thats what they need...pistons need him in the middle...as when the other team players drive they get scared and try and change their shots....and since when have people said he is as good as KG? so why are you even comparing what they do? Your logic is so flawed it is not even funny...i hate it when kids just look at players PPG and get hyped in what dunks they do..and don't understand what they bring to a team and how they make them win...sad
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NOPE...he is still underrated by many people...</div> Are we talking abou people that watch basketball everyonce in a while, and watch the playoffs, those kind of casual fans? I am comparing KG to Ben defensively, rebounding. Ben isn't miles ahead of the league rebounding wise like people think. I just look at PPG and what dunks they do? Are you serious? Did I not just say that Ben is the best defensive player in the league? And did I say one word about dunking?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are we talking abou people that watch basketball everyonce in a while, and watch the playoffs, those kind of casual fans?</div> People who see enough games....many do underrate his value to the pistons and how good he makes piston look...he is the same guy who single handly stopped allen iverson and reduced him to score only 5 points...what players can say the can hold AI to that? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I just look at PPG and what dunks they do? Are you serious? Did I not just say that Ben is the best defensive player in the league? And did I say one word about dunking?</div> You clearly think ben is overrated because he doesn't score...you need to be rated really highly and talked about all the time..like lebron to be considered overrated..you do know that...right?
No you don't. I've seen tons and tons of people that think Ben Wallace is a top 10 player in the NBA. That is ridiculous. Everyone thinks Ben Wallace is Dennis Rodman. Thats not even close, Rodman was a much better player. Ben Wallace is the best defensie player in the NBA. Ok. When the Pistons started doing real good, people started to think Ben Wallace was way better than he really is. He did hold Allen Iverson to 5 points. Ben Wallace also helps out because players think twice about driving the lane, which is what people don't think about. But I do, and I still think he isn't as good as people think. His defense alone doesn't carry the team, it wouldn't carry any team. Ben Wallace being the most overrated player in the NBA is a little much, but I still think he is overrated.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No you don't. I've seen tons and tons of people that think Ben Wallace is a top 10 player in the NBA. That is ridiculous. Everyone thinks Ben Wallace is Dennis Rodman. Thats not even close, Rodman was a much better player.</div> Really? who.....i would like to know...i don't consider him top 10..but he is just as important as any top 10 player.. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When the Pistons started doing real good, people started to think Ben Wallace was way better than he really is.</div> When pistons started to get good...people didn't even notice them or ben wallace...ben is very important to the team..and without him pistons aren't as great...he is that important..what did people say that meant he was being overrated? i would love to know..i don't know any sports writer who thinks he is rated really highly...he is closer to underrated than overrated...
Did a little searching... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Most Overrated MVP Candidate: Ben Wallace Look, I love the guy's defense too, but offensively he makes his team play 4-on-5 every night, so it's a bit rich to suggest that he deserves MVP. Besides, if his team was in the West and heading into the postseason as the No. 6 or No. 7 seed, nobody would care what he's done. Just ask Utah. --Si.com--</div> ESPN most overrrated athletes. Ben Wallace recieved votes.
Thats a load of rubbish....first off...pistons aren't in the west so who cares where they would finish..2nd whatever person wrote that has to be crazy..as ben wallace was not an MVP Candidate..he was only mentioned because his team was right at the top of the east by getting 50 wins..so clearly he would get some votes for what he did with the pistons...people really need to find out what the word overrated means...as right now some don't know...
Overrated means hyped better than they actually are Rated highly than they deserve gets too much attention ben wallace isn't any of those things... ANYWAYS this is not a ben wallace thread so move on from him i'm trying to fiqure out how someone said spree is overrated
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post"> He isn't an offensive player..thats not his style...without ben pistons would be not be near the top of the east..plain and simple...pistons defence is still good..but without him players go down the middle with ease and aren't scared...</div> that is true Ben Wallace isnt a offensive player and he doesnt have to be all the pistons need him to do is stand down low grab them rebounds and then block shots..Which is what he does the best and he is the best in the league at doing that..You dont always needs to score to be a great player..
I'd also agree with Spree being overrated. He's a very good player, but the fans give him too much credit. He's a slightly above average defender, but he's definitely lost a step or two. His outside shot is solid, but his poor shot selection really hurts his offensive game. He shot 37.9% from 3pt range last year but only 40.3% overall, and its easy to see that he has a problem with forcing up bad shots when I watch him play. Putting up about 16-18 with a poor FG% on a bad team reminds me of Juwan Howard. His ability to play in transistion, good passing skills and a serious competitive spirit make him a good player, but not as good as the fans and media give him credit for and he is a few years past his prime. The bottom line is that he is a decent defender who makes for a decent 2nd option on offense, but would probably be better as a third option at this point in his career. His passing ability combined with his improved outside stroke means he can really help your team so long as he keeps his shot selection under control. If the real reason for him taking bad shots in New York was because there was no better option and he reels himself in a bit in Minnesota he will be a key guy in their playoff drive. However, if Spreewell turns out to be the Twolve's 2nd best player, they won't be good enough to get out of the first round.
Spree had a bad year last year. He is definately out of his prime and on the Timberwolves team I don't know what option he will be KG, Wally, and Cassell there. And I disagree with that if he is the TWolves second best player that they won't make it out of the first round. All he will need to do next year is probably play good defense, and score 16 PPG. With Cassell and Wally, they could be 15 ppg players, and the team will be real balanced.
STC Bball- They will be very balanced if Cassel, Wally and Spree all averaged 15+ per night, but which team do you think they are good enough to beat in a 7 game series, L.A., the Kings, Dallas or the Spurs? I think that unless somebody has a breakout season for the T-Wolves they will be in for another 1st round exit. IMHO, their only hope is to finish as one of the top 3 teams in the West- Which I think would require a good dose of luck, a breakout season by Olowakandi, or Wally Szcerbiak and a clean bill of health all season long.
