Doesn't matter if spree is their 2nd option or not..they have others guys to score Spurs 2nd option was tony parker...so i don't see your point....KG having some scoring help is enough to get them to at least the 2nd round..easily
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocko220:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd also agree with Spree being overrated. He's a very good player, but the fans give him too much credit. He's a slightly above average defender, but he's definitely lost a step or two. His outside shot is solid, but his poor shot selection really hurts his offensive game. He shot 37.9% from 3pt range last year but only 40.3% overall, and its easy to see that he has a problem with forcing up bad shots when I watch him play. Putting up about 16-18 with a poor FG% on a bad team reminds me of Juwan Howard. His ability to play in transistion, good passing skills and a serious competitive spirit make him a good player, but not as good as the fans and media give him credit for and he is a few years past his prime. The bottom line is that he is a decent defender who makes for a decent 2nd option on offense, but would probably be better as a third option at this point in his career. His passing ability combined with his improved outside stroke means he can really help your team so long as he keeps his shot selection under control. If the real reason for him taking bad shots in New York was because there was no better option and he reels himself in a bit in Minnesota he will be a key guy in their playoff drive. However, if Spreewell turns out to be the Twolve's 2nd best player, they won't be good enough to get out of the first round.</div> I do not believe this is the 3rd person in the thread who thinks Spree is overrated. Fans give him too much credit? What are you talking about, apart from the knick fans the majority of fans in the league boo him and take several shots at him and his past. He deserves every bit of credit he recieves because he was kicked out of the leaugue, fined, suspended, the media portrayed him as an axe murderer, was sued for for hundreds of thousands of dollars, had his contract terminated.. i think he's done his time. HOWEVER the part that i find hard to believe is that you are convinced his on court performance night in night out is below average. He competes with 110% night in night out, defends the T-macs, Kobes, Iversons of the league AND on offence has played 5 straight seasons out of position at small forward after playing his natural position from 92 - 97 as the all star shooting guard in golden state. Even playing out of position he managed to make the All Star team for new york as the small forward. Next year i believe his ppg will rise from last season! Think what you want, just remember he will be returning to his natural position where he is much more affective at scoring and will have proper point guards on the team like cassel and hudson, not to mention his points on the fast break. He averaged 16.4 in probably what was his worst season last season, i expect him to raise his average to 18-19 ppg. He has only lost a step or 2 but believe me he can still slash to the basket or create his own shot. People automatically assume he is old and gone because he dropped off only 2ppg last season from his average, but last season Don Chaney ran the majority of plays for Houston. 98-99 he started as a 6th man for the knicks and led the team in scoring and then finally started and took them to the finals and were the first 8th seeded team in nba history to make the finals, where spree averaged 26 ppg in the finals. I could go on and on about how much he did for the knicks organization but the list goes forever.. to make a long story short HE DESERVED EVERY CHEER HE GOT FOR THE AMMOUNT OF TIMES HE CAME THROUGH FOR THE KNICKS IN CRUCIAL MOMENTS. You call him only JUST above average at defending, he defended Vince Carter in his prime to a 15-50 shooting 3 game series sweep and hit the game winning shot in game 2 while absolutely SCHOOLING VC on offence. Vince Carter is considered much better than Spree, but what has VC ever done in the playoffs compared to Latrell. NOW to the part where you say the T-wolves won't make the playoffs if Spree is the second option is absurd. He was the second option on the knicks from 98 - 2003, and they made it 3 of 5 seasons with what was i consider a bunch of over achievers who really don't have that much talent. WITH KG as option 1, Spree option 2, Wally option 3, Cassell option 4, your telling me they won't go past round one? I guarantee you not only next season will Sprewell prove you wrong, but he will show you what he is made of next postseason when it REALLY matters most. Latrell Sprewell is a 4 time all-star who may be past his prime but is definatley still one of the most effective players in the league and FAR from overrated. I know people will probably reply saying i am bias and whatever, and all i can really say is watch next season, believe me.. it'll happen.
Allnet and Spree- I didn't say Minnesota would be in trouble if he's their 2nd option. I said they'd be in trouble if he was their 2nd best player. HUUUGE difference.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Spree:</div><div class="quote_post">2nd dumbest post of the year..</div> GREAT arguement!! actually it was a pretty intellegent post. my list I think is more dead on than anyone elses and explained it pretty well. but I could of written a friggin NOVEL proving them three ways from sunday and you'd still have the same reaction. is it casue im wrong? no. its cause you looooooooove Spreewell so much you namesd yourslef after him and cant stand to hear anything negative about him! He's brought chemistry problems to every team he's played for. can only score a lot when he hogs the ball. I mean he's a star quality scorer but he's never given anyhitng else really significant, rebounding, assists, defense. he's pretty solid all around but inconsistant and not one of the top 30 players in the league lkie many say he is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> is it casue im wrong? no. its cause you looooooooove Spreewell so much you namesd yourslef after him and cant stand to hear anything negative about him! He's brought chemistry problems to every team he's played for. can only score a lot when he hogs the ball. I mean he's a star quality scorer but he's never given anyhitng else really significant, rebounding, assists, defense. he's pretty solid all around but inconsistant and not one of the top 30 players in the league lkie many say he is.</div> I will admit you are partially right when you say i loooooove sprewell, but the majority of your post is wrong. I can accept negative things about him because even if i were a little bias i can accept other peoples opinions. However, you write comments like he brings chemistry problems to all his teams. Give me an example of bad chemistry in New York? i can accept your opinion and don't want to start an argument, however i can debate the matter with you. Also you say he's never given anythings significant on defence? didn't you read my post the size of an essay. He is a solid all-round player and i do classify him as top 30 in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocko220:</div><div class="quote_post">Allnet and Spree- I didn't say Minnesota would be in trouble if he's their 2nd option. I said they'd be in trouble if he was their 2nd best player. HUUUGE difference.</div> huge difference?..2nd scoring option/2nd best player....Wolves have plenty of scorers now so it shouldn't matter if he is their 2nd best player or not..honestly i think he will be 3rd or 4th scoring option...with Sam Cassell being 2nd option and Wally 3rd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Spree:</div><div class="quote_post">I will admit you are partially right when you say i loooooove sprewell, but the majority of your post is wrong. I can accept negative things about him because even if i were a little bias i can accept other peoples opinions. However, you write comments like he brings chemistry problems to all his teams. Give me an example of bad chemistry in New York? i can accept your opinion and don't want to start an argument, however i can debate the matter with you. Also you say he's never given anythings significant on defence? didn't you read my post the size of an essay. He is a solid all-round player and i do classify him as top 30 in the league.</div> oh come on. People have been certain that he's going to be traded from new york almost since the year after he got there. he's a KNOWN bad seed. name a coach he's had a decent relationship. there are lots of solid all around players in the league but he's NOT one of the top 30 in the league. He never was but mmmmmmmmaybe a very bias fan could have argued he was close some years ago but he's obviously past his prime. has trouble staying healthy. only scored 16 points a game this year on a poor team hes supposed to be caryying. He's an acceptable defennsive player but no force. doesn't get into peoples heads.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoopsCentral:</div><div class="quote_post">I personally think that Walker is completely overrated.</div> of course you do. TONS of young and casual basketball fans do. even some hardcore basketball fans don't understand antoine walkers value. its gotten to the point where so many people talk about how overrated he is I begin to think he's actually not getting the credit he deserves. the reason is that he takes too many three's he makes some bad decisions on shot selection and he has a low field goal percentage for a star power forward. But consider this. Walker takes three's because his coaches encourage it. It's made the Celtics a winning team in the last few years and they couldn't have done it without him. I sometimes think walker deserves credit for giving up an impressive percentage to take those threes. 3pters are invariably a lower percentage shot than close shots and walker takes more three's than anyone. If you discount them he would actually have a pretty impressive fg% as if you whatch him over a large span of games you start to realize he has some pretty unique moves down low that are at times unstoppable when he uses them right. He's certainly not the most consistant player with his shooting but he has put up 20 points a game in all but two of his seasons even now that he has become the celtics second option to Pierce. And unlike most power forwards, he has a lot of tools to fall back on when his shot isn't working for him. how many power forwards do you know of that would stop shooting in a game where they wern't on and instead just up and rack 10 boards and 14 assists? people just like to ignore walkers versatility His rebounding numbers have started to decrese because he's gotten out of shape but he's still averaged over 8 and a half a game ove the last few years and thats as a guy who spends most of his time on the peremeter. He's also been instructed by danny ainge to come into the season with "a body like kenyon martin". i dont know if thats possible, but im sure a new million dollar personal trainer will get him as close as he's gonna get. Im not saying he's going to go back to the 22-10 guy he was in his second year but dont act like its the equivalent of bush and saddam doing a "bulletproof"-style buddy pic together. we're not talking about some windbag. how many of you knew that walker is just a year older than Pierce who some of you have said has yet to play his best ball. I think that 20-9-5 with a tripdub or two as usual is a perfectly reasonable expectation from walker this year (unless Marcus banks turns out to be a SERIOUS dish dogg in which case pierce and walkers assist numbers would both likely decrease). I know ive said most of this before. some people often mistake me for being walkers biggest fan. He's not my favorite player. not even one of my top 10. Im as familiar with walkers mistakes as all of you and I complain just as much when he makes them during a game in which Im rooting for the celtics but I also dont think you have to dunk over people to be an exiting player (and I dont care what anyone says the walker wiggle is the best celebration move in the league and at least toine has the class and decency not to bust it out unless he hits a MAJOR shot). You don't have to agree that he's one of the top 25 in the game, but he is an all star and he deserves to be talked about as such at least as much as he's talked about as someone who "SUCKS".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-MAC:</div><div class="quote_post">Glen Robinson is overrated as is keith van horn</div> I would say Glen Robinson is underrated. Your right about KVH though. BTW, great post olskool, I think your absolutely right, people are saying he's so overrated but he doesn't get the credit he deserves. I, too hate Walker, but what you've said in that post was true.
tanks. im glad someones willing to compromise. I kind of get embarrassed always being put in a position to defend a player who isnt even one of my faves and its depressing when people just shrug it off thinking im some toine fanatic going out of his way to make him seem better than he is but I like to think im fair about it. I may have been a little hard on g-rob putting him in my top 5 most overrated but I think he does get more recognition than he deserves and cuases as many chemistry problems as Spree. I dont think KVH is overrated. Everyone knows how crappy he is
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post"> Walker? He gets called overrated so much I am not sure he is overrated anymore. Everyone seems to hate on him, so I dunno if he is truly overrated anymore. He may shoot a lot of 3's......and I don't like that part of his game, but there is no denying he isn't one of the most talented PFs in the Eastern Conference. His versatility is great. He also is a good passer, something that often gets overlooked. </div> This was on page 1..............I just wanted to show that olskool isn't the only one here who thinks Antoine isn't overrated. So maybe, just maybe, that we do have something right here.......
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">oh come on. People have been certain that he's going to be traded from new york almost since the year after he got there. he's a KNOWN bad seed. name a coach he's had a decent relationship. there are lots of solid all around players in the league but he's NOT one of the top 30 in the league. He never was but mmmmmmmmaybe a very bias fan could have argued he was close some years ago but he's obviously past his prime. has trouble staying healthy. only scored 16 points a game this year on a poor team hes supposed to be caryying. He's an acceptable defennsive player but no force. doesn't get into peoples heads.</div> How can he be a 4 time all-star and NEVER be at some point in his career a top 30 player? In New York he was a top 30 player so Golden State prime days he would be at least top 20! He was one of the best 2's of the day. You ask which coach he's had a good relationship with? The question should be which coach has he had a bad relationship with apart from PJ? Don Nelson (GS), and Jeff Van Gundy speak so highly of him! Van Gundy made a point of saying so many times how he was so easy to coach, any orders given Spree would act fit for the task. JVG also said how in the final minutes the team know how much faith Van Gundy has in Spree and to get him the ball. Im not bias at all. If he's such an unacceptable defender maybe you should get Antoine Walker on Vince Carter and see if he can get him to go 15 - 50 like Spree did.. IN FACT his defence is one of the most underrated aspect of his game.
jesus christ kid thats so anoying. I NEVER said hes an unnacceptable. Its adequate. thats all. doesnt make up for a lack of versatillity. He's not underrated even if you dont think hes overrated. He's not top 30 as a knick and if u think he was ever top 20 you've obviously had some kind of lobotomy or near fatal crack overdose. THIS is why i said he's so overrated even if only in new york but most knick fans know he was a lame excuse for a franchise player. hes a very good scorer. NOt going to carry a team anywhere.
Spree is still a pretty good player..16,4 and 4 stats playing out of postion is pretty damn good...Now he is in a situation where he won't have to do everything by himself..we should see a better spree...
When he was in New york he did not have to do everything by himself. He had Allen Houston(one of the most underrated players ever, His contract just throws people off)and he aslo had Kurt Thomas who was a decent Power Foward who could get you 15 Points and 8 Boards.
Allan Houston is an all-star and he's not underrated at all. For 100 million dollars what does he do that any other person who scores 20ppg doesn't do? He scores 20 and thats it.. isn't a great passer, driver, rebounder or defender. See if Allan and Van Horn can lift this team this season and then you will realise how special latrell was to the team (confident on court leader). I dont think i have ever seen Houston open his mouth in New York, maybe he's a mute? Exactly what allnet said is right, Spree's in a much better situation now in minny and we will see an improvement from last season. Don't get the wrong impression.. i still like Allan Houston alot he is a great player, like J-MAC said i think it's his contract that turns me off.. maybe kenyon does deserve.. hmm i won't get into that.
