<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Hakeem was way better than Shaq has ever been. Do you remember seeing Shaq get schooled by Dream? </div> Hakeem didn't exactly stop Shaq either. Hakeem's team winning the NBA Finals series against Shaq just made it seem like he schooled Shaq. No one schooled the other because they both couldn't stop each other. People forget that it was a YOUNG Shaq going against a PRIME Hakeem, Ewing, and Robinson and Shaq did more than hold his own. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">David Robinson won the MVP before Duncan was even in the league. calling him a "backup" is total ignorance. Shaq has never scored as much as Robinsons 29.8 (as close as he's come) in 93-94. and shaq hasnt played 80 games in a season since he's second year. something Robinsons did several times despite putting his career on hold to serve his country. Robinson scored 71 points in a game, 10 points higher than Shaqs career high.</div> Just like Duncan, many people think someone else should've won the MVP that DRob won (Hakeem was the deserving winner to most people). I'm not holding that against him or anything, just stating tha fact. The average of Shaq's five highest scoring years blow away the average of Robinson's five highest scoring years. Robinson averaged over 26 points twice. Shaq's done it all his pro seasons except one. That 71 point game Robinson had was a stat padding game just to make sure Robinson won the scoring title over Shaq. Robinson did it against the Clippers on the last game of the season in a game that had no playoff implications at all. It was a worthless game, but you still have to give credit for scoring 71 I guess.
Hakeem vs Shaq is hard to compare to one another because both of their styles are totally different, but I think Hakeem was better. Shaq's strength makes him hard to stop, but his range is very limited. Hakeem had some really sick moves and had good range for a center. Shaq has slightly better rebounding numbers, but Hakeem was better at blocks and steals. Hakeem was also a pretty good passer. However, I think Shaq was a better bicyclist since he got to control the steering in this picture
Olskool, sure Reggie Lewis was good, but he wasn't great. Your mind is playing tricks on you. Lewis averaged 17-18 ppg every year along with 4-5 rpg. That doesn't make him better than some of the greats like Olojuwon, Kidd, Kemp, Pippen, etc.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting torrr:</div><div class="quote_post">Hakeem vs Shaq is hard to compare to one another because both of their styles are totally different, but I think Hakeem was better. Shaq's strength makes him hard to stop, but his range is very limited. Hakeem had some really sick moves and had good range for a center. Shaq has slightly better rebounding numbers, but Hakeem was better at blocks and steals. Hakeem was also a pretty good passer. </div> Hakeem only really had one post move, the Dream Shake. Everything out of the post basically came from the Dream Shake. It's possibly the greatest move in NBA history. I also remember the One-on-One matchup that never was. The commercials for it were funny as hell.
so was hakeem but he was healthy more than shaq. Again, shaq hasnt played 80+ games in a season since his sophmore year and has only played in 70+ 3 times since, Hakeem played 70+ games in 11 of his first 13 seasons and was even more of a force than shaq on defense and on the boards
thats silly. Shaq is a decent passer. not that much better than Hakeem. but thats not the reason why the people around him at times look better than they are. its really not thru anything hes doing like Jason Kidd. opposing defenses are just designed to try and stop him so they double and tripple him giving everyone free reign. Theres always someone open around shaq even kobe he just has to be able to get the ball to them. nothing special
Not nessecarilly. Shaqs been playing for 11 years. Thru Hakeems first 11 seasons, Theyre about even in assists but that wasnt either of their primary game. Shaq has the slight edge in scoring. he's taller and heavier and didnt need to have the skill that hakeem had but certainly Hakeem was also a HOF quality scorer. but Hakeem has the slight edge in rebounds averaging a good rebound or so per game more than Shaq who averaged over 13 a game only once after his second season and never had as many as Hakeems career high of 14 per game in his 6th year. Theyre close all around but Hakeem has a significant edge in steals and of course in Blocks even though Shaq is talller and heavier. Going by stats you could argue for either side especially Hakeem but I think whathcing them play youd have to agrree that Hakeem was a better basketball player. dont bring up the 3 rings thing. Hakeem has 2 and wouldve had a couple more if Jordan hadnt been around. Shaq wouldnt have any rings if Jordan was still in his prime
Here are the career stats for both Hakeem <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Career1,238 1,186 35.7 .512 .202 .712 3.30 7.80 11.10 2.5 1.75 3.09 2.96 3.50 21.8</div> Shaq <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Career742 735 37.8 .577 .050 .542 4.00 8.20 12.10 2.8 .71 2.61 2.88 3.40 27.6</div> It shows shaq was better in scoring,rebounding,FG% ...Hakeem was better in blocks....and just in steals...thats really about it Hakeem was an amazing player..but shaq was and still is a dominate force..so i have to give the edge to Shaq
thats misleading. Hakeems "career stats" reflect a dropoff of his last few years. Youlll get a more accurate comparison by just looking at his first 11 years in which like i said Shaq has the edge in scoring but thats about it. Hakeem beats him out in steals rebounds and blocks. Also Hakeem was much more durable. so was hakeem but he was healthy more than shaq. Again, shaq hasnt played 80+ games in a season since his sophmore year and has only played in 70+ 3 times since, Hakeem played 70+ games in 11 of his first 13 seasons and was even more of a force than shaq on defense and on the boards. Hakeem gets the edge and proved it when they faced off in the finals. People ignoorantly say that Shaq warnt in his prime then cuase he didnt have any rings. Shaq never was better than his first few seasons when he was at his most athletic. he just wasnt as dominant because there were other great centers in the league
1 - MJ 2 - Shaq 3 - Hakeem 4 - Robinson 5 - Malone 6 - Stockton 7 - Pippen 8 - Ewing 9 - Clyde 10 - Duncan Shaq in his prime could be Hakeem in his prime. Hakeem was a GREAT center but he still in my opinion doesn't measure up to the game Shaq had at one point in his career. We can all keep arguing or live with the fact that Shaq is better than Hakeem.
I agree with you sixth man , except I would put Duncan a bit higher, I also think people underrate Scottie Pippen . I think he has had a better career than John Stockton or David Robinson. I think Scottie is 2nd only to Kareem in total playoff games played.
again shaq WAS in his prime when he played hakeem in the finals and he didnt beat him. the stats support it thru his first 11 seasons which shaq is in. and all u have to do is whatch them play to see whos the more skilled player. We can al keep arguing or just live with the fact that hakeem is better than Shaq
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YaoMing03-04:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with you sixth man , except I would put Duncan a bit higher, I also think people underrate Scottie Pippen . I think he has had a better career than John Stockton or David Robinson. I think Scottie is 2nd only to Kareem in total playoff games played.</div> Agreed. But one thing people will point out against Scottie is his ppg. But the Bulls had MJ. Pippen didn't need to score 20pgg for the Bulls to be successful. Pippen changed games defensively, and that doesn't show up on stat lines. In the Utah series, Pippen guarded Ostertag. I forgot which game it was; I believe it was game 3. But Pippen was able to roam around, and created such havic, that Utah was held to 54 points. Now on the stat line; Pippen might have registered a couple of steals. But what it doesn't show is his numerous deflections, stopping penetration, taking charges, etc. None of that shows up on the stat line. But thats what Pippen did; he changed the game defensively. Not too many people can do that............Pippen was a great player, and a perfect compliment to Michael Jordan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">again shaq WAS in his prime when he played hakeem in the finals and he didnt beat him. </div> give me a break..Shaq was like 22 years ago at that time and only been in the league a few seasons...NO WAY was he in his prime...he was in his prime like 3 years ago..and it has continued from then...
u really dont know do you? shaq never put up better overalll numbers than in his first two seasons. hes never been more mobile and in bettter shape as he was then and the only reason hes more dominant now than he was then is cause there were other great centers than and there arent now
