no <div class="quote_poster">Quoting jRac87:</div><div class="quote_post">Larry Bird.</div> No. Larry didnt have as much overall game as Michael. Michael had great defense amazing athletisism won 6 chamionships and did it all. He is the best player ever.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting beasly3:</div><div class="quote_post">No. Larry didnt have as much overall game as Michael. Michael had great defense amazing athletisism won 6 chamionships and did it all. He is the best player ever.</div>Funny, you sound like you've never seen Larry Bird play.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YaoMing03-04:</div><div class="quote_post">I totally agree, Kobe and T-Mac are just about equal. and ESPN analysts such as Tom Tolbert, tim Hardaway have said that T-Mac is better, they have also said that Kobe is better than MJ at 24. So take what you want from that. Fact is T-Mac is not 6'8, even though he is listed as that. Have u guys seen the cover of the new Kicks magazine, T-Mac is almost as tall as KG and TD. Both KG and TD even joked about T-Mac being 6'8 and said he was atleast 6'10. Thats 4 inches on MJ, and combine that with T-macs long arms thats like 6 inches. We are talking about 1on1 so all that bball IQ doesnt matter. Micael could jump high, his vertical was about 46, Tracys is 43.Thats only 3 inches. At 24 MJ had some ridiculous speed, but did you guys see T-mac at the olympics, he is huge now. T_mac would man handle MJ. Everyone Knows that McGrady has the best range in the league, only Ray Allen and Toine made more threes. At 24 MJ had no range at all. T-Mac would win 11-6. if u dont agree ask MJ himself.</div> Kobe is better than TMAC, TMAC is better than Kobe. I have heard it all and Im sick of it. They are both great players so its a toss up with them. I think Kobe is better personally but that is not what this thread is about. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact is T-Mac is not 6'8, even though he is listed as that. Have u guys seen the cover of the new Kicks magazine, T-Mac is almost as tall as KG and TD. Both KG and TD even joked about T-Mac being 6'8 and said he was atleast 6'10.</div> Have you taken into account the fact that the angle perception of the photograph might make it appear they are closer to each other in height when they really arent? There is no way in hell that TMAC is 6-10. You made that statement so you better back it up. Get a credited source to say that he is 6-10 and give me a link to it then I might consider it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We are talking about 1on1 so all that bball IQ doesnt matter. Micael could jump high, his vertical was about 46, Tracys is 43.Thats only 3 inches. </div> Basketball IQ is everything. Jordan is quite possibly had the best basketball IQ that ever played the game. Saying that basketball IQ means nothing in one on one is a load of bull. Ask any intelligent player and they will tell you that they would be scared to play MJ in one-on-one when he was 24 because he was so dahm athletic and so smart. You said that Jordan could jump high when in reality MJ could simply fly. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">At 24 MJ had some ridiculous speed, but did you guys see T-mac at the olympics, he is huge now. T_mac would man handle MJ. Everyone Knows that McGrady has the best range in the league, only Ray Allen and Toine made more threes. At 24 MJ had no range at all. </div> Did you ever see Jordan when he was part of the Dream Team. I hate to break it to you but you are the only one who thinks that TMAC could beat Jordan. He might be huge is size but Jordan was quicker, smarter and one hell of a defender. He would make TMAC look like dogfood. TMAC has the best range in the game??? Please dont insult some of the great shooters like Ray Allen and Paul Pierce and all the great pure shooters. Sure, TMAC might have been 3rd in the league in three's however that is because he probably shot the most. You cant determine how great a persons range is by how many they make. You determine it by the efficiency at which they shoot it. Your comments above are absolutely ludacris. Any intelligent person knows that Jordan would beat TMAC in a one on one match up.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There is no way in hell that TMAC is 6-10. You made that statement so you better back it up. Get a credited source to say that he is 6-10 and give me a link to it then I might consider it.</div> Actually many NBA analysts, players, and especially fans say that McGrady is 6-10. Also he wasn't really comparing McGrady and Kobe. He was going on the fact that I said that people say Kobe at 24 is better than Jordan at 24. If people say that, and that Kobe and McGrady are even what does it make out of a McGrady vs Jordan matchup?
Exactly. I'm not comparing them though. I'm just questioning some of the logic that people are using in this thread.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dexter:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is better than TMAC, TMAC is better than Kobe. I have heard it all and Im sick of it. They are both great players so its a toss up with them. I think Kobe is better personally but that is not what this thread is about. Have you taken into account the fact that the angle perception of the photograph might make it appear they are closer to each other in height when they really arent? There is no way in hell that TMAC is 6-10. You made that statement so you better back it up. Get a credited source to say that he is 6-10 and give me a link to it then I might consider it. Basketball IQ is everything. Jordan is quite possibly had the best basketball IQ that ever played the game. Saying that basketball IQ means nothing in one on one is a load of bull. Ask any intelligent player and they will tell you that they would be scared to play MJ in one-on-one when he was 24 because he was so dahm athletic and so smart. You said that Jordan could jump high when in reality MJ could simply fly. Did you ever see Jordan when he was part of the Dream Team. I hate to break it to you but you are the only one who thinks that TMAC could beat Jordan. He might be huge is size but Jordan was quicker, smarter and one hell of a defender. He would make TMAC look like dogfood. TMAC has the best range in the game??? Please dont insult some of the great shooters like Ray Allen and Paul Pierce and all the great pure shooters. Sure, TMAC might have been 3rd in the league in three's however that is because he probably shot the most. You cant determine how great a persons range is by how many they make. You determine it by the efficiency at which they shoot it. Your comments above are absolutely ludacris. Any intelligent person knows that Jordan would beat TMAC in a one on one match up.</div> Dexter's right! GRR...How can you say TMAC is the best 3-pt shooter? He might have more pct. But Ray Allen is more efficient. A LOT OF PLAYERS ARE BETTER THAN HIM. (In my opinion) Mike Bibby, etc...they all have great threes...you must be absent-minded cause you have nothing in your mind EXCEPT TMac.
A recently retired Steve Kerr is easily the a better three-point shooter than Mcgrady....Same goes for Eric Piatkowski..there are at least 25 better three-point shooters than T-mac Hell I would even take Stephen Jackson ahead of Mcrady in terms of shooting range...Mainly in the clutch....
What if I am not mistaken tracy shot about 38% from the arc. Thats pretty good. Heck no MIke Bibby isnt a better shooter, neither is Piatkowski or kerr, they just get open shots and only take shots they know they will make. Paul Peirce is good but he is streaky. The only two people i will say are better from the arc than Tracy are Peja and Ray. Percentage is not everything. Tracy and Paul Peirce have to shoot shots over people. They never get open looks. Kobe is another underrated 3 point shooter. I agree the T-Mac and Kobe thing could go etiher way . But fact is either Kobe or T-mac would have killed Jordan when he was 24. I am not disrespecting Jordan but at 24 he was nowhere near the Defender , shooter and smart player he later became in his career. And that was special about Jordan because he always found ways to improve a 29 year old MJ would whoop Tracy and Kobe but we dont know how good they will be at 28 or 29
Tmac is a great 3 point shooter..But hes not the best. He has great range though. Ive seen him shoot a foot behind the 3pt line with ease
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YaoMing03-04:</div><div class="quote_post">What if I am not mistaken tracy shot about 38% from the arc. Thats pretty good. Heck no MIke Bibby isnt a better shooter, neither is Piatkowski or kerr, they just get open shots and only take shots they know they will make. Paul Peirce is good but he is streaky. The only two people i will say are better from the arc than Tracy are Peja and Ray. Percentage is not everything. Tracy and Paul Peirce have to shoot shots over people. They never get open looks. Kobe is another underrated 3 point shooter. I agree the T-Mac and Kobe thing could go etiher way . </div> Say what? Mcgrady a better shooter than Steve Kerr? are you crazy? Pike is also a better three-point shooter...You saying they aren't better because they get open shots is crazy..It doesn't matter how they get open..but being a better shooter has nothing to do with who is on you..but If you knock them down consistantly ...Steve Kerr is likely the best three-point shooter of all-time...It's an insult for you to say Mcgrady is better....
It's absolutely obsurd to think that McGrady is a better 3 point shooter than both Kerr and Pike. Pike was injured most of last year and Kerr hardly got any time. It's also foolish to base players talents SOLELY on last years STATS.
I don't know if Kobe/Tmac would beat MJ in a game of one-on-one at age 24, but I do know that Kobe's a better player than MJ at age 24. Read my other thread in the NBA Basketball forum to find out why.
I agree, let the players make their own mark and lets just enjoy what they bring to the table. We can sit all day and point out who can do this and who can't do that. Lets not be like those other boards.
Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time...even those in contention agrees that MJ is the greatest player of all time...let me cite some reasons... 1. career scoring average 2. a defense to back up his offense 3. clutch plays (can you cite anyone better than him?) 4. leadership 5. the way he adjusted to the game...he used to be the one who dunks from the parking lot...when he realized that he's getting older and he lost some of his springs..he developed the turnaround shot...without any effort at all... 6. the mere fact that he played with an average group of guys and he still helped them finish with 72 wins...longley...harper...brown... 7. have you ever seen a 40+ player play that way??? 8. the impact he brought to the game... i can go on and on...but the fact will always remain that he's the greatest ever...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobeonfire:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if Kobe/Tmac would beat MJ in a game of one-on-one at age 24, but I do know that Kobe's a better player than MJ at age 24. Read my other thread in the NBA Basketball forum to find out why.</div> I wouldn't say so..at 24 I believe MJ averaged 35 points 5 rebounds and 6 assists a game....MJ was unstoppable nearly all his career...no point is Kobe or Mcgrady better than Mike was at age 24/25...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time...even those in contention agrees that MJ is the greatest player of all time...let me cite some reasons... 1. career scoring average 2. a defense to back up his offense 3. clutch plays (can you cite anyone better than him?) 4. leadership 5. the way he adjusted to the game...he used to be the one who dunks from the parking lot...when he realized that he's getting older and he lost some of his springs..he developed the turnaround shot...without any effort at all... 6. the mere fact that he played with an average group of guys and he still helped them finish with 72 wins...longley...harper...brown... 7. have you ever seen a 40+ player play that way??? 8. the impact he brought to the game... i can go on and on...but the fact will always remain that he's the greatest ever...</div> Well said...I am not one for talking about these type of things, but with MJ it is way too obvious.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. career scoring average 2. a defense to back up his offense 3. clutch plays (can you cite anyone better than him?) 4. leadership 5. the way he adjusted to the game...he used to be the one who dunks from the parking lot...when he realized that he's getting older and he lost some of his springs..he developed the turnaround shot...without any effort at all... 6. the mere fact that he played with an average group of guys and he still helped them finish with 72 wins...longley...harper...brown... 7. have you ever seen a 40+ player play that way??? 8. the impact he brought to the game...</div> I respect your opinion and all but those really aren't good points for defending your point of view. For one, it's common sense that Wilt was the better scorer. The reason why he doesn't have the highest career average ties into reason five. The coaches asked him to change him game up so much that his scoring dipped due to the style of play the coaches asked him to play. He changed his style of play more than possibly anyone ever to play the game who was a big star. For number six you are also leaving out the fact that he played with another of the 50 Greatest Players of all time. Jordan had an above average supporting cast. The impact he has had can be equaled by a couple other players. Bird and Magic namely, but in terms of rules and such Wilt had great impact as well. He just didn't have the mass media to support him like Jordan had. About playing at 40+ years old, Wilt was offered a contract by the Nets to play ball for them when he was 46...says something about the amount of skills he possessed even then.
