Future Hall Of Famers

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  1. Stefen

    Stefen JBB JustBBall Member

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    Out of these players. Who do you think will be inducted into the hall of fame. Considering their recent play and how well you think they are going to play for the rest of their careers.

    Chris Webber
    Dirk Nowitzki
    T-Mac
    Iverson.
    Yao
    Paul Pierce
    VInce Carter

    Thats all I can think of right now. Feel free to add your own.
     
  2. txuonline

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    tmac, yao iverson., shaq, i doubt vince since he is injured all time time but if he plays well from now on then he might be there.

    i doubt cwebb and maybe dirk.

    but yao and shaq r going to be there almost for sure unless somthing weird happens.
     
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    Kobe, AI, Shaq and t-mac should.
     
  4. Voodoo Child

    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Stefen:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Dirk Nowitzki</div>Based on his current status he probably won't make the Hall of Fame, but he is one of the ones who it is too early to tell on.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">T-Mac</div>He hasn't really played enough basketball for me to share my opinions about him making the Hall Of Fame. Nobody knows how a player's career will end so I don't think it is right to guess that everything always stays consistant in a player's career.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao</div>
    Ming Yao did not even win the Rookie of the Year award. He has played no more than one season in the NBA. How can you possibly already be thinking about placing him in the Hall Of Fame?

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Paul Pierce</div>Like the others I don't think I can comment on Paul Pierce quite so early, but just for fun let's say that he stays very consistant for the next four years then gradually starts to slowly decline. This seems like the best case scenario for him and even in this situation I doubt he'd make the Hall of Fame. The NBA Hall of Fame is very difficult to get into. Pierce has never been considered a top five player in the NBA so why should he be placed amongst the greats after he is retired?

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">VInce Carter</div>Nobody can accurately predict how Vince Carter will turn out. Just when you thought he was the second-coming of Larry Bird he got injured. Nobody knows if he can rebound his career despite his satisfactory Olympic Qualifying Tournament performance.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Feel free to add your own.</div>Out of all the current players here is the list of the most likely to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame based on their current status -

    1)Karl Malone
    2)Tim Duncan
    3)Shaquille O'Neal
    4)Allen Iverson
    5)Scottie Pippen
    6)Jason Kidd
    7)Gary Payton
    8)Kevin Garnett
    9)Kobe Bryant
    10)Chris Webber
    11)Penny Hardaway
    12)Reggie Miller
    13)Horace Grant
    14)Alonzo Mourning
    15)Grant Hill
     
  5. purehoops

    purehoops JBB KGSource

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">1)Karl Malone
    2)Tim Duncan
    3)Shaquille O'Neal
    4)Allen Iverson
    5)Scottie Pippen
    6)Jason Kidd
    7)Gary Payton
    8)Kevin Garnett
    9)Kobe Bryant
    10)Chris Webber
    11)Penny Hardaway
    12)Reggie Miller
    13)Horace Grant
    14)Alonzo Mourning
    15)Grant Hill</div>

    I like your list... except for a few detials... Tim Duncan #2? Over Shaq AND Pippen? Shaq has played longer, and has dominated longer, and Pippen was a crucial part of helping Jordan collect those 3-3 rings... Scottie should be right under Karl IMO




    Karl Malone
    Scottie Pippen
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Reggie Miller
    Gary Payton
    Tim Duncan
    Allen Iverson
    Jason Kidd
    Kevin Garnett
    Kobe Bryant
    Chris Webber
    Penny Hardaway
    Horace Grant


    the reason the others have priority over duncan IMO is because they had longevity (*spell check*), for all we know Duncan could turn into Chris Dudley in some Space Jam (lol) twist... :mrgreen:
     
  6. Voodoo Child

    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    In a way I agree with you, but I used the following grading scale that is also used by all Hall Of Fame monitors -

    75 points for each NBA MVP award
    15 points for each All NBA First Team selection
    1 point for each point of NBA career Approximate Value and .33 points for each point of ABA career Approximate Value
    2.5 points for each point of NBA career Efficiency
    3.5 points for each NBA Championship
    -20 points for centers and -15 points for forwards

    Tim Duncan had the third best rating.
     
  7. Stefen

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">Based on his current status he probably won't make the Hall of Fame, but he is one of the ones who it is too early to tell on.

    He hasn't really played enough basketball for me to share my opinions about him making the Hall Of Fame. Nobody knows how a player's career will end so I don't think it is right to guess that everything always stays consistant in a player's career.


    Ming Yao did not even win the Rookie of the Year award. He has played no more than one season in the NBA. How can you possibly already be thinking about placing him in the Hall Of Fame?

    Like the others I don't think I can comment on Paul Pierce quite so early, but just for fun let's say that he stays very consistant for the next four years then gradually starts to slowly decline. This seems like the best case scenario for him and even in this situation I doubt he'd make the Hall of Fame. The NBA Hall of Fame is very difficult to get into. Pierce has never been considered a top five player in the NBA so why should he be placed amongst the greats after he is retired?

    Nobody can accurately predict how Vince Carter will turn out. Just when you thought he was the second-coming of Larry Bird he got injured. Nobody knows if he can rebound his career despite his satisfactory Olympic Qualifying Tournament performance.

    Out of all the current players here is the list of the most likely to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame based on their current status -

    1)Karl Malone
    2)Tim Duncan
    3)Shaquille O'Neal
    4)Allen Iverson
    5)Scottie Pippen
    6)Jason Kidd
    7)Gary Payton
    8)Kevin Garnett
    9)Kobe Bryant
    10)Chris Webber
    11)Penny Hardaway
    12)Reggie Miller
    13)Horace Grant
    14)Alonzo Mourning
    15)Grant Hill</div>

    Karl Malone, Duncan, Shaq, Pippen, Payton, Garnett,Kidd, Iverson, and Bryant are all shoeins. But there is no way Anfernee Hardaway and Grant Hill are hall of fame players. No way, and they are both two of my favorite players as a kid. Chris Webber will not be a HOF'er either, he has not proven anything IMO and he isn't getting any younger. Just my .02 of course.
     
  8. Voodoo Child

    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Stefen:</div><div class="quote_post">Karl Malone, Duncan, Shaq, Pippen, Payton, Garnett,Kidd, Iverson, and Bryant are all shoeins. But there is no way Anfernee Hardaway and Grant Hill are hall of fame players. No way, and they are both two of my favorite players as a kid. Chris Webber will not be a HOF'er either, he has not proven anything IMO and he isn't getting any younger. Just my .02 of course.</div>I never said they would be Hall Of Famers, but they have the best chance to make the Hall Of Fame out of all the current players in the NBA.
     
  9. sunsfan1357

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    I think there's a chance of Webber making the hall. Not just for his pro impact, but also his impact (whether legal or not) with the Fab Five as well on the college level. I don't think Bryant is a shoe in yet. If McGrady is too young to be in the hall then why isn't Bryant? Iverson is a shoe-in. No former player who has won the MVP has ever been shunned from the hall.
     
  10. Stefen

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said they would be Hall Of Famers, but they have the best chance to make the Hall Of Fame out of all the current players in the NBA.</div>

    Anfernee Hardaway. and Webbers careers are almost over. Grant Hills already pretty much is. I don't think out of the current players they are very likely to make the HOF. Had they not been plagued with injuries I would guarantee all three would be hall of famers, but unfortunately health is cruel
     
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    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">If McGrady is too young to be in the hall then why isn't Bryant?</div>I never said that McGrady was too young to be considered for the Hall Of Fame. I said that McGrady hasn't played enough basketball to be considered for the Hall Of Fame. You have to ask yourself, "If this player ended his career now, would be make the Hall Of Fame?". The answer to the question for McGrady is a solid no. He has played three years of excellent Hall Of Fame worthy basketball, but that is not enough. McGrady has also never been to the NBA Finals. Noone expected Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway to have career killing injuries just like noone expects McGrady to be tragically injured, but things don't always turn out the way you expect. If Bryant ended his career right now he would probably make the Hall Of Fame. He has played five years of solid Hall Of Fame basketball and he has three championship rings to show for it.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Stefen:</div><div class="quote_post">Anfernee Hardaway. and Webbers careers are almost over. Grant Hills already pretty much is. I don't think out of the current players they are very likely to make the HOF. Had they not been plagued with injuries I would guarantee all three would be hall of famers, but unfortunately health is cruel</div>Pretty much every year of Webber's career he has averaged over twenty points and ten rebounds while also making several All-Star appearances and winning the Rookie Of The Year award. This combined with a historical college career just like sunsfan1357 stated gives him an outside chance of making "The Hall".

    I agree with you about Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill, but according to my system of predicting the likelyhood of players making the Hall Of Fame in the future they have chances to make it.
     
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    I do not agree, Penny will not make the hall. His numbers just are not hall type material. Sure he was good for the Magic, but injuries have really ruined his chances of making it inot the hall as an all star.
     
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    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    Hmm... I am trying to study Spanish and be on JustBBall at the same time. Let me try to respond to this in Spanish to the best of my ability -

    Eso fu? h? dicho uno mill?n veces ya, pingo.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmm... I am trying to study Spanish and be on JustBBall at the same time. Let me try to respond to this in Spanish to the best of my ability -

    Eso fu? h? dicho uno mill?n veces ya, pingo.</div>

    Penny will never make it to the hall of fame!!

    1,000,001. :P
     
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    by the time their career is done:
    Chris Webber - no
    Dirk Nowitzki - yes
    T-Mac - yes
    Iverson. - yes
    Yao - no
    Paul Pierce - no
    VInce Carter - no

    Karl Malone - yes
    Scottie Pippen - yes
    Shaquille O'Neal - yes
    Reggie Miller - yes
    Gary Payton - yes
    Tim Duncan - yes
    Jason Kidd - yes
    Kevin Garnett - yes
    Kobe Bryant - yes
    Penny Hardaway - no
    Horace Grant - no
     
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    first of all who the hell is this "Wave"? did some supermod change their name?

    If Kobes in than Pierce, Tmac, Iverson are in too. Iversons arleady won an MVP award. Tmac is as good as kobe or very close and Pierce deserves to be up there too. neither of the two are going anywhere quickly and will both likely get better before they get worse. Pierce has developed into a perhaps more versatile player than Tmac and Kobe and is just as focused. Tmac and Pierce are every bit as motivated as Kobe and as long as they are in good shape I see Tmac putting in 29=24 ppg with 5-7 rebounds and a share of assists for the next 7-10 years. no reason Pierce cant do 28-23 ppg with 6-8 + rebounds and 4-7 apg for the same amount of time. No way you can gaurentee it. people get hurt. things happen. but if they keep up what there doing they will be in and theres no reason to assum theyll only be as good as they are now untill theyre 30.
     
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    first of all who the hell is this "Wave"? did some supermod change their name?

    If Kobes in than Pierce, Tmac, Iverson are in too. Iversons arleady won an MVP award. Tmac is as good as kobe or very close and Pierce deserves to be up there too. neither of the two are going anywhere quickly and will both likely get better before they get worse. Pierce has developed into a perhaps more versatile player than Tmac and Kobe and is just as focused. Tmac and Pierce are every bit as motivated as Kobe and as long as they are in good shape I see Tmac putting in 29=24 ppg with 5-7 rebounds and a share of assists for the next 7-10 years. no reason Pierce cant do 28-23 ppg with 6-8 + rebounds and 4-7 apg for the same amount of time. No way you can gaurentee it. people get hurt. things happen. but if they keep up what there doing they will be in and theres no reason to assum theyll only be as good as they are now untill theyre 30.
     
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    Iverson, Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, Payton, Malone, Pippen, Miller, Duncan, and Kidd..
     
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    Kidd, Pippen, Duncan, Malone, Shaq
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">first of all who the hell is this "Wave"? did some supermod change their name?
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    His sig says "formerly SpartanFan". I think Malone and Shaq are shoe-ins, and I pretty much agree with Wave's list.
     

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