<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">This thread is about what people think Carter's trade value, and maybe about where he might play next season. Many people come in "The Rumor Mill" to discuss trades and things like this, but we never really go into the Raptors forum. Therefore I don't think this thread should be closed. I can see Carter being dealt next season because the Raptors didn't make the playoffs, but I don't think they'll be able to get another superstar for him. I could see 2 or 3 quality starters and a pick going for him, though.</div> The Thread is the raptors forum is "Who would you trade Vince for?". Pretty much the exact same thing, both threads are about trading him and what could we get. Anyways If yall dont want to lock it, I don't care.
Personally I would boot Carter as soon as possible. He is not a leader on or off the court. He is suppose to be their franchise player... franchise players dont bad mouth their coach. Franchise players dont downplay the future of the their franchise (Bosh). I near snapped when I heard Carter quoted as saying something along the lines of wanting a veteran center instead of Bosh. Also you dont whine after every game about how the team needs another high calibre player. He always whines about not having other guys on the floor to draw attention away from him. Wake the **** up Vince. Look at your cousin T-Mac. He has NOTHING around him yet he still puts the numbers up. You? You have Donyell. Bosh. Alvin. Rose. Hell Mo Pete! And still you have the audacity to say that you need another high calibre player on the court? You have an AMAZING supporting cast you idiot. Just because your too much of a bitch to drive to the basket and would rather shoot 30 no look jump fades a game, that does not give you the right to whine. Am I a Vince hater... sort of. I USED to be a huge fan. I follow Toronto very closely as they are the only team in my area... (IM from Ontario) and honestly... Vince isnt worth the hassle at all. Hell Id release him. Get the money, and sign a good free agent.
WellmangsX they got carter just like they got T-MAc. I'm amazesed at how bad they are considering all theoffensive firepower they hav. Carter, Rose, Marshall. But injuries keep them back.
I'm thinking something along the lines of Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Dale Davis for Vince. Giving them a line up of AWill, Jalen, Donyell, Shareef and Bosh most likley. Bosh may be undersized, but come on its the eastern conference.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hapnnsas:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm thinking something along the lines of Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Dale Davis for Vince. Giving them a line up of AWill, Jalen, Donyell, Shareef and Bosh most likley. Bosh may be undersized, but come on its the eastern conference.</div> First of all, the Blazers will not trade both Shareef and Dale Davis, and i know the Money part will not work, so that it why i suggest Dale Davis and D-Miles because they get a high flying dunker and they dont need 3 Power fowards(Shareef, Bosh and Donyall. ) Dale was an All star in the Weak east and they have more cap space to get Nash.
oh great. another vince carter hate thread. how original. i dont even love vince as much as it must come off. i just think that he takes a lot of unfair critisism, and ill come to the defense of ANY player that gets dissed unfairly. and why does vince get dissed so much? because of injuries. if he'd been healthy the past couple years, it never would have become so 'en-vogue' to hate on vince. he had a pretty damn solid year. put up great numbers and only missed 9 games. there are a HELL of a lot more players who missed way more games then that. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WellsmangX:</div><div class="quote_post">Personally I would boot Carter as soon as possible. He is not a leader on or off the court.</div> what does a leader do on the court? demand the ball in crunch time right? vince does this every night. i agree hes not a good dressing room leader, but he certainly is on the floor. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He is suppose to be their franchise player... franchise players dont bad mouth their coach. Franchise players dont downplay the future of the their franchise (Bosh). I near snapped when I heard Carter quoted as saying something along the lines of wanting a veteran center instead of Bosh. </div> the talk of VC badmouthing coach o'neil is nothing other then heresay unless you can pull a direct quote. it came from an "unnamed source" so as far as im concerned its nothing but bull. however...iverson is a perfect example of a player who's badmouthed the coach. he badmouthed one of the best coaches in the league. and when vince said he thought the raps should get a veteran big man, he obviously was like the rest of us and didnt know what bosh was capable of. im sure if you asked him NOW, he'd say thank god we have bosh. so what? vince isnt a good GM. oh bummer i guess <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also you dont whine after every game about how the team needs another high calibre player. He always whines about not having other guys on the floor to draw attention away from him. Wake the **** up Vince. Look at your cousin T-Mac. He has NOTHING around him yet he still puts the numbers up. You? You have Donyell. Bosh. Alvin. Rose. Hell Mo Pete! And still you have the audacity to say that you need another high calibre player on the court? You have an AMAZING supporting cast you idiot. Just because your too much of a bitch to drive to the basket and would rather shoot 30 no look jump fades a game, that does not give you the right to whine.</div> hahahaha...yea, look at t-mac. you call vince a whiner, then compare him to t-mac? whos said the same crap vince did about needing help around him, and gone one step further and said hes considering retiring because of a losing record. wtf pal!? vince DID need help on the court...he said that BEFORE the trade that brought over jalen and donyell. and he was right...the raps DID need more scoring. get your facts straight bro, for real. and btw...if you've been following the raps all season like you said, then you should have seen vince attacking the rack lots. he was really aggressive this year. name me one player at the 2 or 3 that ONLY drives to the basket and NEVER takes jump shots or fade-aways. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Am I a Vince hater... sort of. I USED to be a huge fan. I follow Toronto very closely as they are the only team in my area... (IM from Ontario) and honestly... Vince isnt worth the hassle at all. Hell Id release him. Get the money, and sign a good free agent.</div> then its a good thing your not the gm. vince puts people in the seats. id say having full seats is keeping the team in toronto, and i dont know about you, but i quite like having a team in town.
How does this sound??? (Although it will never happen) Vince for Artest & Harrington I'd take it in a heartbeat.
No way, some ppl are willing to give up Vince for just roleplayers. Its not like Artest can take over games and win them for u. Harrington is good, but that trade would not be smart.
Im not ragging on Vince over his injuries at all. A leader on the court? Just because you shoot the ball in crunch time that doesnt make you a leader? Do you play basketball. A leader is someone who runs the systems to a dime. Looks for his teammates. Doesn't shoot dumb shots and doesnt blame the players around him when he comes up short. T-Mac... personally I think hes an idiot. Im not praising him. I didnt say that he doesnt whine. However regardless he's putting up the numbers that Vince isnt. Also for the record. Vince has been whining for the last 3 weeks about needing another high calibre player. So what are you talking about? Ive watched 2 interviews where he has said he wants another player of his magnitude brought in over the summer. Also, Vince hasnt made a clear cut statement saying he wants Kevin O'Neil gone, however when reporters ask him about it and all he can say is "I dont want to talk about that" that is BS. Franchise players stick up for their coaches.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post"> He is hated because you guys stick Vince Carter down our throats as if he is an NBA god. .</div> yea...NOTHING like "king james" and lebron. ooooh man! hypocricy at its very best
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post"> He is hated because you guys stick Vince Carter down our throats as if he is an NBA god. .</div> yea...NOTHING like "king james" and lebron. ooooh man! hypocricy at its very best <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WellsmangX:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not ragging on Vince over his injuries at all. A leader on the court? Just because you shoot the ball in crunch time that doesnt make you a leader? Do you play basketball. A leader is someone who runs the systems to a dime. Looks for his teammates. Doesn't shoot dumb shots and doesnt blame the players around him when he comes up short.</div> what are you talking about??? vince is ALWAYS looking to pass the ball. drive and kick is a play he runs all the time!! he shoots dumb shots about as much as any other player whos the go-to-guy. look at iverson and kidd...they are always throwing up transition 3's, garbage in the lane...etc. and i dont EVER remember vince blaming his teammates...all he ever did was say they needed scoring help...AND THEY DID NEED IT! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> T-Mac... personally I think hes an idiot. Im not praising him. I didnt say that he doesnt whine. However regardless he's putting up the numbers that Vince isnt. </div> yea...hes putting up better numbers. but some would say hes the best player in the league. and despite being arguably the best player in the L, his numbers still arent THAT much better are they <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also for the record. Vince has been whining for the last 3 weeks about needing another high calibre player. So what are you talking about? Ive watched 2 interviews where he has said he wants another player of his magnitude brought in over the summer. Also, Vince hasnt made a clear cut statement saying he wants Kevin O'Neil gone, however when reporters ask him about it and all he can say is "I dont want to talk about that" that is BS. Franchise players stick up for their coaches.</div> iv seen ever game, and i dont ever remember vince saying he wants an impact player brought over. in fact, at halftime of sundays bulls game, there was an interview where he was asked what he wants to see changed in the off-season, and he didnt say new coach or an impact player. you'd think if hes so set on that, he'd come out and say it when asked directly. i remember the same game where he said "i dont want to talk about that" it was the same game when they got mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs...he didnt want to talk about anything. he didnt answer ANY questions.
I don't know where you heard that impact player brought in thing but I think you're the only one that heard that (WellsmangX). About Bosh, Vince wanted a veteran big man as much as AD, Jerome, Alvin, KO, and all the other players. After about 2 weeks into the season they were all happy they didn't get a veteran big man, I wanted Bosh though because I liked him from GT. I don't belive you used that as something to downplay Vince, he's praised Bosh about 900 times since the season has progressed. In the begginning of the season (no Jalen and Donyell), Toronto's team was arguably worse or as bad as Orlando's, and we were a .500 team while Orlando was only able to win one game. Some of the trades I saw were horrible, like Shareef and Dale Davis, why would we want that garbage. Mind Shareef is a good player but he can never produce in clutch and he's not known as a winner. Dale Davis and Darius Miles is even worse, why do we need an old man, and a guy who isn't nearly, or even close to Carter's level. Correy Maggette being one of my favourite player's also, he can get to the line very well (one of the best in the league), and is a good player but his defense is about as bad or worse than Vince's which has improved, and he can't draw defenders or pass as well. Then someone said Carter and Alvin for Maggette and a first rounder, Maggette alone is not worth Carter. Maggette isn't less injury prone than Carter either, Maggette last 4 years: 14.3 missed games per year Carter last 4 years: 19.3 games missed per year I also saw someone sayind get rid of Jalen and Carter so we could open the market for Nash, if we get rid of those two we'll get big contracts back, thats not going to do anything. Also Nash isn't young, he's going into the final stretch of his career and isn't our hope for the future. Then I saw Jalen for Malik Rose, their's no need to comment on that one, that does not fill one single need we have. Marion for Vince would never go down, they're both good friends though and I like them both so it would be cool to see them on the same team, but we'd never get a Jalen for Marion hahaha. Kandi and pick for Carter and Bosh, sorry but is gotta be the worst trade I've ever heard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kid Canada:</div><div class="quote_post">No Way Eddy Curry is better than Vince. He cant rebound well for someone his size. He has never averaged over 15ppg. I would take Chandler over Curry. I'm an Artest fan but he is not as good as Vince Carter. Ginobili? OMG lol. Paul Pierce hasn't been as good this year and he was in the same situation as Vince (untill the trade). Ben Wallace is a great player but he cannot carry a team like Vince. No Areanas is not as good as Vince. Areanas is hurt now and when Stack comes back his numbers will be down.</div> Hey <strike>Yo ur a *** Vince for Eddy Curry</strike>. I will garrantee you if Vince stays healthy he will an All NBA Team Selection. If Chris Bosh continues the way he played in his outstanding rookie season hes gonna avg.(15 points 10 boards).and if the raptors can get a big man or a player at the point with thier lottery pick. Ant then go to the Free agent Market and shop around theyll be consensus top 3 in the East What can you say Bout that Star.You agree <font color="red">I suggest you read the guidelines because if you attack one of the other members again you will be suspended. In no way are personal attacks allowed at JBB. Clean up your act. -thefranchise3</font>
Vince got enough good players around him. Jalen Rose? Former all-star, and the leader of Pacers and Bulls? Donyell Marshall havin the best year of his career, automatic double double? Bosh the future all-star? Mo Pete comin off the bench... come on now. It's not always about how many talents you got on the floor, if you cant rotate the ball properly and come up with effective offensive/defensive strategies against teams they face every game, they wont win it, simple as that. But really, ppl underestimate the talent Raps got on the floor, we definitley need to strengthen the bench tho, weakest link in the L.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Skip:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince got enough good players around him. Jalen Rose? Former all-star, and the leader of Pacers and Bulls? Donyell Marshall havin the best year of his career, automatic double double? Bosh the future all-star? Mo Pete comin off the bench... come on now. It's not always about how many talents you got on the floor, if you cant rotate the ball properly and come up with effective offensive/defensive strategies against teams they face every game, they wont win it, simple as that. But really, ppl underestimate the talent Raps got on the floor, we definitley need to strengthen the bench tho, weakest link in the L.</div> He's right, the only problem is the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WellsmangX:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not ragging on Vince over his injuries at all. A leader on the court? Just because you shoot the ball in crunch time that doesnt make you a leader? Do you play basketball. A leader is someone who runs the systems to a dime. Looks for his teammates. Doesn't shoot dumb shots and doesnt blame the players around him when he comes up short. T-Mac... personally I think hes an idiot. Im not praising him. I didnt say that he doesnt whine. However regardless he's putting up the numbers that Vince isnt. Also for the record. Vince has been whining for the last 3 weeks about needing another high calibre player. So what are you talking about? Ive watched 2 interviews where he has said he wants another player of his magnitude brought in over the summer. Also, Vince hasnt made a clear cut statement saying he wants Kevin O'Neil gone, however when reporters ask him about it and all he can say is "I dont want to talk about that" that is BS. Franchise players stick up for their coaches.</div> Yes, you can become a leader if u are a gifted player to make the shots in the crunch, and who are u to compare T-Mac to him. T-Mac is considered best in the league for scoring, Vince is #6, T-Mac is #1. Then you could say anyone under T-Mac is not putting up numbers as T-Mac is. Paul Pierce then? More worthless since his numbers can't duplicate Carter, Jermaine O'Neil? Same thing thats not a great statement to make considering if u compare T-Mac to his level then u admit Carter to be a great. And where have U been?! T-Mac is one of the biggest whiners in the league, he hinted he wanted to retire when he was losing this season, now he might want to be traded since he doesnt have any good players on his team (no team loyalty), and he talked smack when he was in first rounds with both Charlotte and Detroit and lost both. FOr the RECORD, Vince has never whined, really I dont know where u get ur news from, Vince is a good guy, he's in Canada forgoing all the fame and glory to play, lets see another American bball great athlete do that. And as for him talkin down on his coach, he only says it and end of season and not very harsh, I bet you like Allen Iverson, well he's the worst talking crap about his coach unless its Larry Brown. It is obvious you prolly just hate him cuz u do, couldnt find any valid statements so said anything u can to show it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">He's right, the only problem is the bench.</div> The Raptors have a lot bigger problems other than their bench. They have major weaknesses in the two most important positions in basketball: The point guard and Centre. The Raptors do have a talented team no doubt but they are missing the major keys on any team. And don't get me started on their offensive sets. They are just horrible. Iso on one side with Vince. Post up Jalen Rose on a smaller point. They need to play better team basketball (rotating the ball) with better plays/sets. I still think that their defence needs major work as well. You have weak players such as Jalen Rose, VC, and Donyell Marshall who are playing man to man defence. They need to switch to a zone to cover up their mistakes.
That's what Im sayin.. that's what everyone's fukin sayin... we have ZERO rotation, zero creativity in our offensive strategies, lameass plays man. Just watch Kings rotation, or Mavs, there's always non-stop ball movement, that's why they score so much. We got enough talents on our roster to put up huge numbers too, it's just that we dont know how. But yea, we need point and centre too no doubt.
