Shokey came into the leauge as a stubborn ass. He took no hazing, and backtalked to the vets when they demanded he sing his alma matters song. turned out to be a top 3 TE and also injury prone. o yea has 4 career TDs, which sucks for a TE NOW Kellen winslow comes into the league, demanding the most TE money EVER, claims to be better than his dad who is probably the best TE ever to play, and throws a punch RIGHT after his first career catch in a pre season game(SC didnt show the punch, so i didnt see it, but they said he did so im goin by them). not to mention hes a solidier. K2 also said hed get revenge on the skins for not taking him 1 frikin pick earlier, and taking his teammate instead, what a selfish guy. put this in stone, KW2 may go down as the greatest TE ever, but with that hell carry the biggest cancer ever to. hes already the biggest cancer in the world. the browns are already screwed from this asses attitude. I cant wait for week 7 when michael lewis lays a hit on him, whats with these TE? they should shut up untill they put up
michael lewis? i think u mean ray. anyway i think winslow is an ass, but shockey is cool, so he took no hazing good for him, doesnt mean he is an ass, but if u consider shockey an ass winslow is 10X worse
What are you talking about, neither of them are close to TO as far as being an ass. Thye are not calling teammates losers and gay. I would take either over a guy who challenges the O-coordinator like TO did. Winslow had horrible QB play last year at miami but inever heard him call berlin a loser!! so you can take your self righteous eagle loving attitude and shove it!!!!
I never heard TO call Garcia a loser, or gay for that matter. Shokeys said that Bill PArcells is gay, hes done stupid shit throughout his career to, KW is already throwing punches, talking shit like hes the best ever and did criticize Miamis O last season, hes a cancer. a baby and TO has done nothing negative FOR the EAGLES so far, the eagles locker room could give a shit about what he said about his ex-teammate.
You are a moron. A big dumb moron, if you think the man who is the orignal cause of cancer is not a bigger cancer than a 21 year old kid. TO implyed Garcia was a Homo in a n interview last week. Called him a loser when they were in SF together, and got in his O-coord face about not getting the ball while the team was WINNING. So when the eagles are up on the giants later this season and are running the ball to kill the clock and TO gets in reid face about not getting the ball enough, i am going to laugh in your sorry face for being so damn blind
im not being nieve or blind, I LISTEN to TO and AR and DM. I know for a fact that if TO has 3 catches for 25 yards in a win, hell be happy, i know if he has 3 for 25 in a loss hell rip himself and say how the team will do better. TO hated SanFran, he hated garcia, and he was frustrated, thats why he exploded, thats why he still rips Garcia. TO never said JF was gay, he implied it by his "rat" saying and bla bla, but he also came back and said he never said gay. i agree that was all uncalled for, BUT Bearsfan1, how does that cause trouble in the Eagles lockerroom? your a dumb moron for saying it will, becuase it wont. TO is like best friends with McNabb, he respects AR and Marty Morniweg. thats 3 reasons to believe he WONt be a problem, he WONT. There is strong leadership on the eagles, from Tra Thomas to Runyan to McNabb to Dawkins to SImon to Ike reese to Kearse. TO will feed off that positive attitude, and not be a negative player, hell speak his mind, but wont hurt this team. see you dont look at the big picture, you say well TO called his old O cord. out, so hell do that again, and he said garcias gay, so that means hell call mcnabb gay, you dont look at TO and DM being great friends and TO having 2 respected coaches. TO hasnt been in an enviroment that had a QB he respected, a Coach he respected, and positive leadership since Steve Yound and Jerry Rice were with him. since then the 49ers have let him get out of hand.
bears, a bet if u want. if TO does well, has no problems you must use a avator that i chose for the offseason up to the draft. if he does have problems, u chose a avator for me. or if u have a better bet, letme hear it
Ummmm, why should TO need positive leadership around him?? He's been in the league 7 or 8 years now. Shouldn't he be a leader now?? As for not complaining, I remember reading in article around the time of mini camps and TO had already complained about not getting enough balls (in MINICAMP). This was also around the time he was whining about not being able to wear the clothes he wanted to wear for practice. TO has proven he's not happy unless he's getting the ball. If he has had no respect for coaches and coordinators in the past, who's to say the same won't happen if the Eagles lose a few games?
Phlly, we will have to wait till after week one to see about a bet. I may be wearing a bucs avatar(however that is very unlikely)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LSUpackfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ummmm, why should TO need positive leadership around him?? He's been in the league 7 or 8 years now. Shouldn't he be a leader now?? As for not complaining, I remember reading in article around the time of mini camps and TO had already complained about not getting enough balls (in MINICAMP). This was also around the time he was whining about not being able to wear the clothes he wanted to wear for practice. TO has proven he's not happy unless he's getting the ball. If he has had no respect for coaches and coordinators in the past, who's to say the same won't happen if the Eagles lose a few games?</div> For the last time, the tights was a joke bewtween him and AR. the NATIONAL media blew it up, it was TO saying he liked Tights because it gave him the spiderman feel, BUT hed wear the shorts because it was team rules. he joked with aR saying shorts suck whenever they were near the media, OK. and they made a bet, TO=15 TDs, than him and Reid get to wear the tights. The balls thing wasnt a complaint. he wanted the get the ball more so he could learn and build more chemisty with donavon, he went to arizona to train with DM to get the passes and timing down better. its him trying to be better as a WR. and yes, TO should be a leader, but hes not. Bears, i forgot in my other post, Keyshaun is the original cancer, and the worst ever, so its not TO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Philly_Freak93)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LSUpackfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ummmm, why should TO need positive leadership around him?? He's been in the league 7 or 8 years now. Shouldn't he be a leader now?? As for not complaining, I remember reading in article around the time of mini camps and TO had already complained about not getting enough balls (in MINICAMP). This was also around the time he was whining about not being able to wear the clothes he wanted to wear for practice. TO has proven he's not happy unless he's getting the ball. If he has had no respect for coaches and coordinators in the past, who's to say the same won't happen if the Eagles lose a few games?</div> The balls thing wasnt a complaint. he wanted the get the ball more so he could learn and build more chemisty with donavon, he went to arizona to train with DM to get the passes and timing down better. its him trying to be better as a WR. </div> He already spent time in the offseason with him, whereas other WRs didn't. Wouldn't it then be beneficial for the other receivers to also get more play in the camps to get chemistry also, thereby not trying to get balls away from them?? You can sugarcoat it all you want. TO has been a MAJOR thorn in the past. Until he proves otherwise, I will continue to consider him a major thorn.
im not saying he wasnt a cancer, im saying he no longer is. LSU, most of our WRs do go down with DM, pinkston and freddie already have chemistry, and know mcnabb because hes their only qb theyve ever played with in the NFL. TO has played with Steve Young and Garcia, 2 different things. DM and TO have spent more time outside of that, they hung out alot together, the 2 of them and Westbrook have spent almost the whole offseasontogether, at least thats what i hear. hell be FINE
K2 is a jackass. No question. But, he doesn't even compare to Shockey & is nowhere close to TO. BF1 is right. There were QB problems @ U Miami last yr. K2 was the focus of the offense which should not be the role of a TE. If you recall, he carried the Hurricanes in their loss to the Clarett led Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago. With the alleged chemistry between the overrated McNabb, Pinkston, & now Freddie, I can only say one thing; Go back to the lab that formula is defective! As for TO & McNabb bonding, Whoopee-damn-do! Feidler & Griese hung out before last season. Its important to get along but does NOT assure chemistry or success. Hey; I'm not crazy about my job but you don't see me throwing a tantrum every opportunity I get. TO has already established a pattern of behavior and it will not change simply because he got the chage of scenery he wanted. If anything, TO's attitude will be worse if things don't work out to his own selfish expectations.
What is the defination of a cancer? Is it somebody that makes an already established team worse? or someone who disrupts the clubhouse? or both? I think K2, and TO are going to be and are cancers. I blame TO for the 49ers first losing season last year, and I think the browns are the worst team in the league, so we cant judge K2 yet, but I agree with my brother, I think TO will be allright in Philly. From all I read in the papers, and all I hear from reporters on the news, TO is happy, and the fans love him. Now will his happiness and the honeymoon with him and McNabb and Andy Reid continue past this season? I don't think so, I believe that this season will be fine for TO, and the Eagles, if they win or fall short again, thats to be determined by the future, TO can help the Eagles by having 145REC for 2000 yards and 20 TDs, and the Eagles could still go 8-8. TO can got 50 REC and the Eagles go 19-0. I think, like ive stated earlier, the Eagles and TO will do fine togther this year, but i strongly doubt that TO will be happy his whole tenure here in Philly. I think TO at sometime in the next 6 years will have to throw a tantrum, and yell at AR. Now will Andy tolerate it? I dont know. Time will tell.
did he tell you he complained to the O coordinator because he wanted to learn the offense more? TO is a bumbling idiot. i dont understand why that guy doesnt just shut up and play the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>did he tell you he complained to the O coordinator because he wanted to learn the offense more? TO is a bumbling idiot. i dont understand why that guy doesnt just shut up and play the game.</div> exactly....atleast whemn shockey is playing the giants are winning...14-11 when shockey is healthy which is over 500 with a bad team.(last year that is)
dude, shokey has 4 career TDS, that SUCKS, and hes 3 games above .500 isnt that good either. great player, but not amazing like todd heap or gonzo
