<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Rudeezy, that is the RULE that the fans vote the starters, so if they would vote for Danny Ferry to start, then he deserves it, because it is the rule.</div>kobeonfire pretty much covered my response before I could. I understand that those are the rules. That is why I respect it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MVPlaya:</div><div class="quote_post">WOW, is that quote quite familiar... wait, didn't I say that? :mrgreen: Well, that is very true and as for King James: He had a great game WOW, but did he win? Thats not elite, elite is winning. </div> Since winning is what determines the "elite" (like that matters when it comes to AS selection), then the following players do not qualify for AS voting because their team is at or below .500: TMac, Kidd, Pierce, Redd, SAR, Carter, AI, Marion and LeBron
if you go by stats, AI and b diddy are having great seasons. they should both start yao got voted in over SHAQUILLE O'NEAL.. the best center in the nba hands down... <font color="Navy">*edit*</font> happens, and itll happen again.. lebron will most likely start <font face="Arial"><font size="1"><font color="Navy">Edit: Using asteriks (*) to mask the word is not allowed.- Trust</font></font></font>
Im feeling what MVPlaya is saying. The numbers are great, especially for a rook. But if you cant win with them (to a bad team like Memphis) what good are they?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Answer:</div><div class="quote_post">Im feeling what MVPlaya is saying. The numbers are great, especially for a rook. But if you cant win with them (to a bad team like Memphis) what good are they?</div> Whew. First of all, we're talking about the ASG here and not the NBA Finals. Second, you yourself admitted that the numbers are great for a rookie. It's not his entire fault that the team is not winning. He's already making the team look better. Third, Memphis is not a bad team at all. They may be average but not bad. For the last time, the ASG is for the fans. They want to watch the players that they want to see. That's why they're basing it on fans' votes. If you want to watch players from winning teams play, wait for the play-offs. I know it's kinda unfair but that's the way it is. Besides when the fans vote for them, they are worthy in some sense. I mean, Yao did great during his rookie year and fans want him to start. It's not as if fans will vote for nobodys. There may be players that should start in their place. But this is the All-Star game and for the starters, the fans know better. For those more deserving but didn't start because they're not favorites, better keep up those numbers for the coaches to pick them.
Yes this is the all-star game, but those numbers are not all-star numbers. Don't say oh hes 18 and thats great for his age, thats not the point and it doesn't matter. The fact is that he has to put up the numbers no matter what to be a TRUE all-star.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MVPlaya:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes this is the all-star game, but those numbers are not all-star numbers. Don't say oh hes 18 and thats great for his age, thats not the point and it doesn't matter. The fact is that he has to put up the numbers no matter what to be a TRUE all-star.</div> Only Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson have put up numbers like LeBron as a rookie. Yet Shaq, Grant Hill, and Yao Ming have started as rookies. Slam me now.
All Star Game <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Only Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson have put up numbers like LeBron as a rookie. Yet Shaq, Grant Hill, and Yao Ming have started as rookies. Slam me now.</div> Hello is everyone forgetting about Jason Kidd?The best player ever. He almost averaged a triple double in his rookie season. And i can guarantee you that by the time the allstar game Lebron still wont be putting up those numbers. Kidd averaged 11 points(he is a point guard) 8 assists(7.7 to be exact) and 7 rebounds(as a rookie) That is un heard of. Now if that's not good enough i dont know what is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting alor:</div><div class="quote_post">Hello is everyone forgetting about Jason Kidd? The best player ever.</div> As a staff member I'm restraining myself.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting alor:</div><div class="quote_post">Hello is everyone forgetting about Jason Kidd?The best player ever. He almost averaged a triple double in his rookie season. And i can guarantee you that by the time the allstar game Lebron still wont be putting up those numbers. Kidd averaged 11 points(he is a point guard) 8 assists(7.7 to be exact) and 7 rebounds(as a rookie) That is un heard of. Now if that's not good enough i dont know what is.</div> Kidd's rookie season... Points: 11.7 Rebounds: 5.40 Assists: 7.7 Not even close. I got that information from ESPN about Bron, Oscar, and Magic. They were talking all around numbers, sure many have scored, rebounded, and assisted better, but none has done all 3 better than these 3. Bring it harder.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Only Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson have put up numbers like LeBron as a rookie. Yet Shaq, Grant Hill, and Yao Ming have started as rookies. Slam me now.</div> I will slam you. You aren't gettin the point, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD HE IS. You can be 22 and put up his numbers and still not make the all-star game. The point is you have to put up the ALL STAR NUMBERS no matter what age. This isn't, oh your doin good for your age so, yea you make it. No it don't work like that, LeBron got his free ticket to the game along with those other rookies. And Magic Johnson and Oscar kept this up for a whole season... Did their teams win? Also, you don't know if LeBron will hit that rookie wall, do you? Your just assuming he'll keep up these numbers... you are truely treating him with more respect than he has earned. <font color="Red">I combined your posts. Learn to use the "edit" option instead of making two posts in a row. No post padding please. -TB76</font>
Also, you don't know if LeBron will hit that rookie wall, do you? Your just assuming he'll keep up these numbers... you are truely treating him with more respect than he has earned.
I am done with you, your points have been terrible as you have in your own mind what is all star material, though we can point just to these All-Star games and prove that your theory in incorrect and it is just personal opinion on how the game should be instead of how it is. Your points are the same every time, as we have still put new things on the table countless time to help our side of the argument. Like it or not, you have been in this thread.
lol its kinda funny how you say oh I'm not biased but you are proving that you are. You done with me, you took YOUR HIT and moved on. Good boy. You aren't proving any strong points man... you are implying that LeBron is a TRUE all-star... Either way your gonna lose. If you look at LeBron's stats, you can find better. And if you lookin for a team that wins, he loses. And if you combine them, LeBron is not an All-Star. He ain't a true all-star... period. You just keep sayin OH I'M NOT TALKIN TO YOU, you can't prove anythin. Lol the only one thats gettin owned is you buddy, you take your hit and move on.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Joey F:</div><div class="quote_post">Since winning is what determines the "elite" (like that matters when it comes to AS selection), then the following players do not qualify for AS voting because their team is at or below .500: TMac, Kidd, Pierce, Redd, SAR, Carter, AI, Marion and LeBron</div> Do you realize how far off LeBron is from winning? lol AI is 500, you better go back and check some of those stats. And whats Redd doin on there, you actin as if he is in the same league as all those people. No one said WINNING determines being Elite, its just that if you puttin up great numbers and losing, while someone else puttin up number SIMILAR to yours, and winnin, who you think gonna be noticed? PS I'm not "post padding" as you wanna call it cuz we can't even see out post count without clickin on profile, so its not too much of a deal to me... also I'm talkin to 2 different people in each of these posts. ---------- <font size="1">This is a <font color="Red">warning</font>, you must settle down, you are making a lot of people angry, please talk in a more mature manner and not be as repetitive - <font color="DarkRed">KJ</font></font> ----------
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Only Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson have put up numbers like LeBron as a rookie. Yet Shaq, Grant Hill, and Yao Ming have started as rookies. Slam me now.</div> Shaq put up 24 points, 14 rebounds, 2 assists, and 3.5 blocks. Thos are all-star numbers. Yao is in a time where people are struggling to find good centers. His numbers, however mediocre they were, were good enough compared to other centers. He was voted in so either way it wasn't his choice. Hill put up 20 points, 6.4 boards, 5 assists, and 1.77 steals. Those are all-star numbers when taking in the fact that the swingman position wasn't nearly as deep as it is today. That's the main reason why James shouldn't be in the ASG his rookie season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MVPlaya:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you realize how far off LeBron is from winning? lol AI is 500, you better go back and check some of those stats. And whats Redd doin on there, you actin as if he is in the same league as all those people. No one said WINNING determines being Elite, its just that if you puttin up great numbers and losing, while someone else puttin up number SIMILAR to yours, and winnin, who you think gonna be noticed? PS I'm not "post padding" as you wanna call it cuz we can't even see out post count without clickin on profile, so its not too much of a deal to me... also I'm talkin to 2 different people in each of these posts. ---------- <font size="1">This is a <font color="Red">warning</font>, you must settle down, you are making a lot of people angry, please talk in a more mature manner and not be as repetitive - <font color="DarkRed">KJ</font></font> ----------</div> I am proving the negative points, what would you like me to say? How would you like me to state that in a professional manner. Just cuz the first line the whole post is bad? I proved points, and I was right. I did say YOU **** or anythin like that. No I'm not tryin to bait, when you want to get into a debate, people will get mad. And there will be strikes thrown up, you gotta live with it. You can't have everythin oh so perfect and everyone agreeing, thats what brings tensions, that what bring excitment. If there was no debate (aka argument) than it wouldn't be too interesting. Debating is proving points and making everyone believe you are right... I'm just tryin to debate. Not tryin to piss no body off.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MVPlaya:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you realize how far off LeBron is from winning? lol AI is 500, you better go back and check some of those stats. And whats Redd doin on there, you actin as if he is in the same league as all those people. No one said WINNING determines being Elite, its just that if you puttin up great numbers and losing, while someone else puttin up number SIMILAR to yours, and winnin, who you think gonna be noticed?</div>1) How far off is LeBron from winning? Closer than what you think. 2) If you would have read my reply closely, I said "AT OR BELOW .500". Yes, I did check my stats. 3) Redd is having a great year. He deserves some recognition. 4) Once again, if you would have read the quote I was replying to, that person made the statement to the effect that winning has a determination of elite status. 5) If you want to "check the stats", LeBron is producing almost the same as Pierce. Before you get it twisted, I did not say Lebron was PP or better. Raw stats say LeBron is having a very good year, rookie or no rookie. Both Boston AND Cleveland are AT OR BELOW .500 teams. What that means to me is that LeBron should get the same amount of consideration as Pierce. Besides, Bron is popular - whatever builds interest in the NBA without detracting from the game, let it happen. The fans like me pay to see these awesome players. Do you?
All Star 2004 Starting Lineups Who do you guys think will be the starting lineups for the 2004 all star game in LA.Obviously with the starting lineups being decided by the fans their are obviously going to be a lot of guys who are crowd favourites and are noted for their superb dunking abilities. I think it will be West PG Steve Francis SG Kobe Bryant SF Kevin Garnett PF Tim Duncan C Yao Ming ( don't know if he is the best performing west center this year but he will start due to the high number of votes he will geneate from China and rest of Asian b.ball fans My Bench:Carmelo, Dirk ,Nash,Gasol,Stojakovic,Randolph, Starbury, Shaq East PG LeBron/AI SG T-Mac/LeBron SF Vince PF J-O'Neal C Ben Wallace My Bench: AI/T-Mac,Paul Pierce,Kidd ,Kenyon Martin,Arenas,Rip Hamilton,Shareef,Ilgauskus What do you guys think Ps If you were the Charlotte Bobcats GM who would you take with the 4th pick in the draft.I think Tiaggo Splitter may have the goods or Josh Smith
