Great trade for the Celtics. I know Davis doesn't have the best personallity but why give up on him? I think the Cavs took a huge step back with this move.
In my opinion, it was a mediocre trade for both teams. The Celts get some frontcourt help in Mihm but they lose Battie, a veteran who was big for them last season as their only post presence ( Antoine Walker was more outside than inside ). They get scoring in Davis but Davis is more of a ball hog with hops. The Cavs lose Mihm but get Battie, which is virtually the same stats. Eric Williams does not produce numbers with the calibre of Davis. The X-Factor in this trade is Brown, a promising young player. Down the road, I think the Celtics will get the better end of the trade. Cleveland really made a bad decision with this one.
Yea, I like it from the Celtics view, Pierce now gets some help and doesn't have to carry the load of scoring every single night. I just don't get why the Cavs made this trade, they got some decent players, but I feel they could have looked elsewhere for a better deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple N Gold:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, I like it from the Celtics view, Pierce now gets some help and doesn't have to carry the load of scoring every single night. I just don't get why the Cavs made this trade, they got some decent players, but I feel they could have looked elsewhere for a better deal.</div> Thats almost EXACTLY what I was thinking. From the Celtics view, its a great trade. Ricky Davis and Mihm are great players and this is help for Paul Pierce. The ball will seem to be spread a lot more now since Ricky is gone (all his shots), but I don't know how Battie, Eric Williams, and Kedrick Brown are gonna make a BIG impact. Maybe it will, the Cavs might become more of a team now. But I believe that the Cavs didn't get the best they could with Mihm and Ricky Davis. What will the starting line up look like for the Cavs now?
It was hard to trade Davis with his stock as low as it was. Ricky was like not even a part of this team of late, not playing in crunch time either. He is terrible and playing team basketball, and can't defend a pick and roll to save his life. Ricky also is too much of a finesse player, he hates contact, he should look to take it to the basket every single time. I defended and defended Rioky, but I am very happy to see him go for some vets. We now have more debth and finishers to put around LeBron James, who has been playing elite basketball the last few weeks. He can be the Celtics problem now. I don't think they needed the scoring help as much as people are saying, they have been kicking *** lately.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting franchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">In my opinion, it was a mediocre trade for both teams. The Celts get some frontcourt help in Mihm but they lose Battie, a veteran who was big for them last season as their only post presence ( Antoine Walker was more outside than inside ). They get scoring in Davis but Davis is more of a ball hog with hops. The Cavs lose Mihm but get Battie, which is virtually the same stats. Eric Williams does not produce numbers with the calibre of Davis. The X-Factor in this trade is Brown, a promising young player. Down the road, I think the Celtics will get the better end of the trade. Cleveland really made a bad decision with this one.</div> You have to look at this one from a different point of view. Cleveland's problem isn't talent by a longshot talent, it's leadership and chemistry. Sure Davis is talented, but Williams does the intangibles and is a very good locker room presence, exactly the sort of player Cleveland needs. Battie is another guy who will be great, a veteran who knows how to get the job done, and they still have Diop on their roster who has shown something this year. I think it's a great trade for the Cavs that will help them now, and in the future with Williams coming off the books at the end of the season. Talent like Ricky's can easily be undone with a poor attitude, and vice versa in the case of Williams.
Actually, I see Ainge making this move as a short term solution. Although Ricky is very talented and is a valuable scoring option, I think the Mihm throw in was the only way someone would take him. Stewart was obviously in mostly for salary, but also partly to keep some of the physical play they lost with Battie. The Celtics could either try to match Davis' demands after his contract runs out or try a sign and trade for another scoring threat, but at least now Ainge has a temporary solution until he has to make that decision in the future. For the Cavs, the move makes some sense. Basically, they've surrounded Lebron with some fillers for the time being. Eric Williams and Kedrick Brown are athletic swingmen who can run the break but who also get back on D. However, I think Brown plays almost the same role as Miles, albeit with more scoring and less of a handle. I see his acquisition as something to precipate the dumping of Darius. Although Kapono will start for now, after Williams acclimates I see Silas sticking him in, and developing Brown and Kapono off the bench. And I see Diop playing a lot more 4 now that Battie is a clear backup 5. Before, Mihm and Diop could switch between 4 and 5 when they played alongside each other.
I know I'm late but i think this is a great trade for both boston and cleveland. Davis will make up forr the loss of walker and Williams Battie,and Brown will help out Lebron tremendously. Great trade
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MVPlaya:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats almost EXACTLY what I was thinking. From the Celtics view, its a great trade. Ricky Davis and Mihm are great players and this is help for Paul Pierce. The ball will seem to be spread a lot more now since Ricky is gone (all his shots), but I don't know how Battie, Eric Williams, and Kedrick Brown are gonna make a BIG impact. Maybe it will, the Cavs might become more of a team now. But I believe that the Cavs didn't get the best they could with Mihm and Ricky Davis. What will the starting line up look like for the Cavs now?</div> Since when are Ricky Davis and Chris Mihm great players? Now that I have read on this topic, it might turn out just as good for Clevelend. This gives LeBron full control of the team, and has shown lately that he can provide big scoring when the Cavs need it. A player like Eric Williams will definetley help the Cavs now, he can knock down shots, finish to the basket, and also play great defense. If Kedrick ever gets the confidence in his jumper that he needs, with his speed, athleticism, and astounding defensive ability, you Cavs fans will forget the name of Ricky Davis.
Cleveland's Perspective: Bringing in Paul Silas and landing LeBron James with the #1 pick last summer inevitably led to the trading of Ricky Davis. Paul Silas traded him when he coached him in Charlotte, and it was only a matter of time before these two would part ways for a second time. Silas is building a team around defense and speed, similar to his Hornet teams. The Cavs will slowly build the supporting cast and the right personnel, on and off the court to play with LeBron James. Ricky Davis was never a part of this plan because of his inconsistency and selfish play. Other factors leading to the trading of Ricky Davis, are the return of Dajuan Wagner and the play of Ira Newble. Eventhough, Silas is not high on Wagner, he might find a way to use him similar to David Wesley's role with the Hornets. Wagner will gain minutes by stepping up on the defensive side of the ball and hitting the long range shots. Ira Newble has played very well on defense and gets his points off of hustle plays. He brings a lot of energy off the bench and is helping the Cavs with his aggressive rebounding. The Cavs will be a lot better with their new players, Eric Williams, Kedrick Brown, and Tony Battie. The Cavs finally get a hard nosed defender in Williams, to play the perimeter defense and fight through the pick and rolls. He will be a nice compliment player to LeBron James and should get the starting spot at SG. Kedrick Brown is the wild card in this trade. He has been playing behind Paul Pierce the last few seasons, but in Cleveland, he'll have a lot of opportunities to showcase his abilities. The Cavs will have a very athletic duo coming off the bench with D. Miles and Kedrick Brown. [quoteright]"That's what we're looking for Z to do. Z's whole thought process is to put the ball in the hoop. My thing is that you have to rebound and defend. If he wants to be on the court, he has to rebound and block some shots." [/quoteright] Tony Battie is exactly what the Cavs needed. A shot-blocking presence in the middle, and a big man who can run the floor. The combination of Boozer and Battie on the court gives the Cavs some defensive credibility in the middle and will allow the guards to gamble more up top, leading to fast breaks and easy scores. This was a bold move for the Cavs, and I don't think they are done. They still need a shooting guard, and Silas's patience with Big Z is wearing thin. Silas ripped him recently, and benched Big Z in the Boston game because he was not playing defense. Ironically they made a deal with Boston for their shot blocking needs by landing Tony Battie. The Cavs hold all the cards right now, because they can afford to be patient with the trade offers for Big Z. They will likely wait for Diop to get healthy again, and to see if Wagner plays well with LeBron. I don't think the Cavs have given up on Miles just yet. He's still very young, and they gave up a great point guard in Andre Miller to get him. The bottomline is, Miles stock is, too low for the Cavs to trade him. Miles for Hudson does not make any sense for either team.
The lineup will change a lot over the next few weeks, J.R. Bremer started last night, and Jason Kapono backed him up. Bremer stunk it up as usual while Kapono scored 10 points off the bench. It seems as if Bremer has been lost since the first game of the season (Sacramento) and just has no sort of confidence going at all. Jason can spot start, but he can't do it on a regular basis because he is a defensive liability. Williams or Newble can't start at the 2 spot because they don't have very good outside shots, not shots you would like your 2 guard to have anyway. So again, expect Silas to mix it up a lot over the next few weeks. The dealing is not over with, the Cavs will target a shooter for that 2 position, and Miles/Ilgauskas will be the bait.
Eric Williams, Tony Battie and Kedrick Brown are hardly no name players. Williams and Battie are veterans who play hard and have won playoff series'. Williams is a hard-nosed defender is famous for being a fantastic locker room guy and Battie is a solid rebounder. Also remember that Brown is only 22 and while he hasn't turned into anything yet, he could easily be a productive player sometime in the next 2-3 years when the Cavs will be making playoff pushes. Also, Marc Stein was right on, Davis absolutely had to go. He clashed with Paul Silas in Charlotte which didn't change in Cleveland. Plus his defensive effort was atrocious. He rarely ran back on defense and never boxed his man out so that he could streak down the court in hopes of an easy deuce. He expended more energy by trying to jump out of the gym for an uncontested dunk than he ever did guarding his man or going after a rebound. And he rarely will attack the basket when defenders are under because he is a softer player who shies away from contact (he's averaging barely 3 ft's a game, even though he takes over 14 shots per night). To me, Ricky Davis is the watershed example for stats not telling the the whole story about a player. The sad thing is that all he needs to do is not act like an idiot and play hard to be and All-Star But perhaps the biggest testament to his poor effort and attitude is that both Danny Ainge and Jim O'brien would have preferred Bonzi Wells who, if possible, is just as big as a head case as Davis (Bonzi has refused coaches orders, spit on other players, gave the finger to his home crowd and just generally acted like a jerk in Portland) because Wells at least plays hard. On the bright side O'brien and Ainge will not be afraid to bench Davis if he doesn't improve his behavior. In short the Cavs got rid of thier biggest problem and added veteran leadership and defense, thier biggest weaknesses. It was a situation where Cleveland probably would have been better off with nobody than with Davis. All of the above is why the Cavs had to give up Mihm to get Williams. He has been productive in bursts in Cleveland and should start in Boston and provided he gets 30 minutes a night (which he should) he's very capable of averaging a double-double. If I needed rebounds I'd definitely pick him up in my fantasy league. A front court of Davis, Vin Baker and Mihm is a formidable one for the Celtics, who added to thier overall talent level. Davis is a gamble to be certain but if he shapes up than the Celtics have really helped themselves with this deal. Edit: I also don't believe that Big Z is headed out of cleveland, at least not before the trade deadline when more talent becomes available. While no one save Lebron is untouchable on the Cavs, it would take a hell of an offer to pry him away. When he is healthy he is the Eastern Conference's best center and true 7 footers who can score in the post like Zydrunas are valuable commodities. Someone would really have to pony up some talent for him. Though a deal with New Jersey wouldn't be too far-fetched. Kenyon Martin and Zoran Planic are available there and the Nets would love to replace 'Zo. Martin, Planic and a pick for Boozer and Ilgauskaus wouldn't be completely insane. But it still makes more sense for the Cavs to wait until the trade deadline when more players are on the market to trade their most valuable commodity.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocko220:</div><div class="quote_post">Though a deal with New Jersey wouldn't be too far-fetched. Kenyon Martin and Zoran Planic are available there and the Nets would love to replace 'Zo. Martin, Planic and a pick for Boozer and Ilgauskaus wouldn't be completely insane. </div> Not completely insane for the Nets, but pretty insane for the Cavs. Planic isn't much(2.5 ppg in less than 9 mpg), so basically you're giving up Booz and Z for KMart. Booz is developing rapidly and is already a better rebounder than KMart. If you add their stats together, you have: Zydrunas + Carlos 15.4 + 13.4 = 28.8 ppg 7.3 + 10.2 = 17.5 rpg vs KMart's 17.7 ppg 9.6 rpg Not to mention blocks, you are losing a lot of the inside presence that has helped the team get where they are. I don't think Cleveland will bite on this, just as the TWolves won't bite on Hudson for Miles.
Actually that wouldn't be that bad a trade for the Cavs.I feel Martin would be a very good 2nd option to a superstar (Which Lebron will be) Martin brings so much to his team.He gets them going.With his heart and passion for the game.He can score inside,grab those rebounds and play great defence.Something Cleveland need.Boozer is the guy who could be a double double guy for years so It would be risky trading him away.Zoran Planic could actually be a pretty good player down the line.He just needs time to get used to the US lifestyle.Could be a good role player for any team.
Starman- Planic isn't much NOW. But the Cavs don't really care about that (which is way Kedrick Brown was an important part of the Ricky deal) but he probably will be in a year or 2. Plus he rarely plays for New Jersey, mostly because he is part of then anti-Byron Scott camp. Given minutes he could be productive and the Cavs know they need a PG for the future since Lebron is better off as a 2 with Ball handling responsibilities (think Kobe before GP came along) and Planic fits the bill there. Plus his name is Zoran, so they don't lose any alphabetical diversity by trading Ilgauskaus
Before he left the team hotel for the airport, Davis surprised James by showing up at his hotel room to wish him good luck. Just read that at another forum. What a sad momment.......
i think the cavs would be crazy to give up carlos AND Z. although i seriously doubt it would happen...didnt i just read here that the only players that are untouchable on the cavs are bron, carlos and Z...as said by paxon himself. i can maybe see Z goin, but not this early, and i cant see carlos goin with him
Paxson did say that, but I think everyone knows that he really meant just Bron, but couldn't say it to risk alienation. He doesn't want to lose Booz and Z, but if the right price comes along...
i think he'd be a moron to give up booz. hes got mad fundamentals and hes a monster on the glass, a good defender, doesnt ask for the ball and still manages to ring off 13ppg, and 13ppg of solid shots that put him attop the L in fg%. not to mention the fact that hes only 22 yrs old and getting better by the season. i wish the raps picked him up
in the short term this deal has been great for the Cavaliers. Williams and Battie have brought the defensive intensity that this team had been lacking since they fired Mike Fratello and it has resulted in 2 straight road wins after a tough loss to the Rockets. Kedrick Brown looks like he can shoot and defend a bit better than Miles. I think Darius better get used to the bench- he may even be the next one on the trading block.
