well im new here this is my first post, so what do u all think the abdul-jabbar record is going to malone or anyone else in the years to come???
Welcome to the site. Karl Malone will eventually own the record. Some of the highschool players might be able to catch him (Kobe, LeBron, Amare, KG), but it's a big "IF." With the amount of time Malone has dedicated to stay healthy and play for so many years, and to have the added benefit of playing with John Stockton, odds are slim.
malone will deffo take it...especially now that hes already said he wants another year or two with the lakers...he prolly wants that extra year or two for the all-time scoring stat as much as the rings, wich lets face it, is probable not certain...the record will be broken by him if he sticks around, but it IS possible that the lakers dont win it all with the shape that bron is in, if he stays that way, i could see him one day taking it too...i think malones conditioning is a testament to what being in amazing shape can do for your career
Ha, I like the Mailman for who he is and the approach he's taken to the game. I think that the scoring record should belong to someone who has at least won a season scoring record, which he has not. That being said, he will take it if he plays out this year and next. The reason he's sticking around is more for the record(IMO), but secondly for the ring, which would be nice for him. Kobe, then Tracy, have shots at the record eventually, with Carmelo and Lebron as potentials, though its hard to say since its their first years. Guys like Shaq and AI seem destined to break the 30,000 point barrier, but now the horizon is at 40,000 and perhaps beyond.
I don't want Malone to have it. It doesn't seem right. I mean, he'll get it because of his long tenure in the NBA and not because of season after season of dominating the league in scoring.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">^ I meant dominate (or lead) the league in scoring season after season.</div> Kareem only led the league in scoring twice during his twenty-year career.
If memory serves me right, In Karl Malone's entire NBA career he has only missed 11 games, 8 of those due to suspensions. He will definitely break the record, and I do feel that if AI is in the league for as long as Malone, he will without a doubt break the record.
AI, Kobe, T-Mac... those are future players if you want to talk about the scoring record. Possibly even KG but Malone will get it. He is older than my grandpa and he still plays in the NBA and is a solid PF. He still produces, keeps in GREAT shape... he will get it once its all over. Oh yea and welcome...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sunsfan1357:</div><div class="quote_post">Kareem only led the league in scoring twice during his twenty-year career.</div> That's two more times than Malone has done it. Malone came in second countless times, but I still think he should have won it at least during his career, which he did not. One could argue that Jordan dominated by getting 10 titles, which made it impossible for Malone to win it, but that argument is null, since Jordan was kind enough to leave the league for two years in Malone's prime. But Malone neglected to take advantage of this absence, and didn't even finish in the top three in either of these two seasons. So I again have to say that, although he will get the record, I don't think it's fitting that he do so. He will never, even with the record, be in my mind the best scorer ever. Maybe second best, but more like third or fourth best IMO.
I wasn't arguing anything in Malone's favor. I'm indifferent to whomever own the record because we all know who the better player was. Malone can hold the scoring record for all eternity, but we know Kareem was the better player. I was just playing on the fact that someone said he didn't win the scoring title year in and year out as if it was a bad thing when Kareem didn't do that either.
^ Yeah, but there were only two players who really led the league year in and year out. So that shouldn't be used against Kareem. Kareem had several standout scoring years, two of which got him titles during a very competitive scoring era. However, Malone had several chances when he could have won a title, during years when overall scoring leaders were lower than in Kareem's day. So he really should have won it, but didn't. Kareem won the title multiple times, even if only twice. There are only a handful of players who have won it more times(3 or more) than him(Jordan, Chamberlain, George Gervin, George Mikan, Neil Johnson, Bob McAdoo, Allen Iverson), so he should still be considered one of those guys who were ON TOP of the league scoring season after season, which Malone, without a title, cannot.
Being a Laker fan, I never liked Karl Malone - but I damn sure always respected him. That being said, I have absolutely no problem with Karl setting the all-time scoring mark. True, he never led the league for a single season. But, many forget that Karl began his career in the era of triple-digit team scoring and competed with numerous other scorers for the crown besides Jordan. Dominique was prolific for a 6-8 year stretch, you also had Bird, English, Barkley, Olajuwon, Drexler, Ewing, Mullin, Richmond and Shaq putting up 25-30ppg night in and night out. I'm probably omitting a few names, but my point is this: we're not talking about an aging superstar with deteriorating skills who is barely hanging on to a job. Malone still plays the game on an all-star level and works harder than most of these young stars could ever imagine. For these reasons, I cannot penalize him for his longevity - it's well deserved. So is the title of all-time scoring leader. That doesn't mean that he's the greatest, or most dominant to play the game - it simply suggests that he played at a high level of production for numerous seasons. Why should hard work and consistency be frowned upon? Would anyone disparage Hank Aaron for owning the all-time home-run crown? He played 23 seasons and never hit more than 47 in a single year!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Yeah, but there were only two players who really led the league year in and year out. So that shouldn't be used against Kareem. Kareem had several standout scoring years, two of which got him titles during a very competitive scoring era. However, Malone had several chances when he could have won a title, during years when overall scoring leaders were lower than in Kareem's day. So he really should have won it, but didn't. Kareem won the title multiple times, even if only twice. There are only a handful of players who have won it more times(3 or more) than him(Jordan, Chamberlain, George Gervin, George Mikan, Neil Johnson, Bob McAdoo, Allen Iverson), so he should still be considered one of those guys who were ON TOP of the league scoring season after season, which Malone, without a title, cannot.</div> I just want to clear this up because I think maybe there's a mixup. I'm not holding anything against Kareem, I'm just disputing the fact that it is right to say he led the league in scoring "year in and year out". Especially taking in the fact that his two years of leading were in his second and third year. That's 17 years of not leading the league in scoring. Overall scoring leaders may have been down from Kareem's early days, however from the 1973-'74 season on (Kareem's sixth year), there wasn't really a difference between scoring leaders then and during Malone's prime. I took the liberty to do a little research for top five finishes in the scoring races throughout both of their careers. Malone was in second place five times, third place three times, fourth place two times, and fifth place two times. Kareem was first twice, second three times, third three times, fourth twice, and fifth no times. Malone finished in the top five twelve times throughout his career compared to Kareem's ten. Again, not knock on Kareem, but Malone wasn't as far behind Kareem in scoring as people thought. Also, why are some people knocking Malone for his longevity, saying it's the only reason why he has the record, when it took Kareem twenty years to do gain the record?
ok lets see the steals record for a second john stockton is the all time steals leader hes lead the leage only twice and hes almost 1000 steals from the second place i think that the steals record already belong to iverson becouse he lead the leage a lot of times i dont know how much but alot!
^He's led the league in steals 3 times, this will be the 4th, but I'm not sure how that last post pertained to the debate. But anyway... sunsfan1357 - No mix up, I understand where you're coming from and I'm not trying to call you out for supporting one guy or the other, cuz I know you're trying to stay neutral. I'm just trying to explain why I don't feel it fitting for Malone to be the alltime scoring leader, though I know he will get it. He was in the top five more times than Kareem(actually 13 times - he was 5th in '88, '94 and '00) and in the top ten just as many times. I just hold it against him(and maybe I'm being unreasonable for doing it) that he never led the league in any one given season. If he had, just for one measly season, I wouldn't have this hangup. If it were Nique, or the Admiral, both guys who got a scoring title, than I'd feel differently. I think Malone is one of the top three forwards from history, but when it comes to the scoring mark I just feel differently.
I somewhat understand your reasoning Starman, but I respectfully disagree. Malone played the prime of his career with dozens of others who could score on a nightly basis. In addition, there has been exactly 1 "power forward" to win the scoring title in the NBA over the last 34 seasons, since the record became recorded on a per-game average. That was Bob McAdoo, who also played center. How about the sixth-highest all-time career average, while playing more seasons than any of those names ahead of him on that list? He's not going to get the record averaging 7 ppg coming off the bench, he's going to get it with a championship calibar team while putting up all-star numbers. This guy is simply a freak of nature, there will never be another Karl Malone. Even as a life-long Laker fan, I believe he deserves the honor of all-time scoring king.
