I like Boykins, everytime he comes off the bench he brings a lot on the court. He is quicker than anythin... he brings excitment and energy onto the court.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ObieCent:</div><div class="quote_post">Gooden(off the bench): 13.9 PPG 8.1 RPG 1.3 APG BoykinsPG 11.3, RPG 1.80 , APG 3.7 Williams: PPG 11.6 RPG 4.60 APG 1.3 I think Gooden deserves it so far</div> 6th man is a lil more than just stats... Earl Boykins brings so much intangables off the bench. Enegery, points, hussle. He makes the most of his minutes. Huge part of the winning in Denver. Id say the same about Gooden but I dont think you can have a 6th man on the worst team in the L.
The biggest point in Boykins' favour is that he is always the guy on in the fourth quarter, and is very clutch. Drew has the edge staswise, but as pure said, he plays for a bad team. Bobby Jackson won it so convincingly last year for this exact reason; he didn't have the best stats (11 and 3 from memory), but he was extremely clutch for a good team like Sactown.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">Randolph and Murray</div> uhhh i think you made teh same mistake Martin did, buddy...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NugzFan:</div><div class="quote_post">gooden doesnt start?</div> Not for the past dozen games. Based on what has already occured, it's gotta be Jamison, hands down. The guy is what Bobby Jax was last year, instant O off the bench. But Jamison also provides the rebounds, etc. and a mix of an inside outside game. You could argue that he should be starting, but when Pierce won it in '90, he led his team in total scoring with over 20 ppg, and did it off the bench. Pretty amazing, and unheard of today, but Jamison often does the same, coming in and leading the team. Other guys have had solid seasons coming off the pine this year like Armstrong, Murray, Jackson, Boykins and Gooden, but unless they have major breakouts or something happens to drop Jamison's numbers, i gotta go with him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting purehoops:</div><div class="quote_post">6th man is a lil more than just stats...</div> I get where you're going at. So I change my vote to Boykins because it's not about stats and He helps his team out alot when they really need him. But if it were to stats I say Gooden but since it ain't Boykins
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TimFlem:</div><div class="quote_post">I get where you're going at. So I change my vote to Boykins because it's not about stats and He helps his team out alot when they really need him. But if it were to stats I say Gooden but since it ain't Boykins</div> Just remember the last two years. Last season, Michael Redd had the edge statswise on everybody, but Bobby Jackson got it because of his contributions to a winning team, and his clutch 4th quarter play. The year before Q Richardson had the advantage going on stats, but Corliss Williamson won it because of his impact on a much improved Detroit team, despite not having as good stats.
Jamison (yup Im biased) Bobby Jackson(Yup Basied) Boykins Not my fault Jamsion, and Jackson come off the becnh and contribtite sweetly like Boykins does
I think Mehmet Okur has been deserving of the award so far. He averages about 10 points and 7 rebounds in 20 minutes per game. He is a spark plug who can contribute enough to really change the flow of the game. The best part is players haven't heard a lot of him, so he can really surprise you. Of course, I'm a little bit biased.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigMemo:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Mehmet Okur has been deserving of the award so far. He averages about 10 points and 7 rebounds in 20 minutes per game. He is a spark plug who can contribute enough to really change the flow of the game. The best part is players haven't heard a lot of him, so he can really surprise you. Of course, I'm a little bit biased.</div> I think you raise a good point about Okur - he has had some monster games off the bench this season. My only mark against him would his inconsistancy, but by the end of the season I won't be surprised to see him as a top candidate. Of course that assumes he doesn't replace Campbell as s starter anytime soon.
I believe Boykins deserves it the most.. to even be in the NBA at his size should just tell you how talented he is. Also, I thought Gooden started, and i figure he will start eventually during the season so I would give the edge to Boykins as of now
^Granted, Boykins is amazing to even be playing in the league. But its like the Spud Webb question: should he get more credit for an award because he's smaller? I don't think he'd want that; instead, Boykins probably wants to be treated just like every other player. Based on that, I have to treat all the players' numbers with equal regard. Jamison has the numbers. He also has the quality of a captain coming off the bench, coming into games and leading, whether it be by making outside shots, posting up, or grabbing a rebound or D'ing up. Whenever I watch that team, him subbing in never seems to have the dropoff effect that other teams' substitutions usually do.
Jamison could easily be a starter, and he is playing well enough to be mentioned for the award. Drew Gooden, 6th man of the year? No. I don't think so. Yeah, hes playing great but he's in the east, and he goes against the 2nd string power fowards. To me, the 6th Man should be someone who provides energy off the bench and makes great hustle plays. Earl Boykins is just that...He has turned into the clutch player in Denver as well.
R. Murray. Intresting thing is that he plays better when he is a starter than when he comes of the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kosarkas:</div><div class="quote_post">R. Murray. Intresting thing is that he plays better when he is a starter than when he comes of the bench.</div> Most players do - especially a player such as Murray who is an out and out scorer and relies on picking up the flow of a game to get his points. There are two reasons why I don't think he'll win this award. 1) When Ray comes back, he'll still get his minutes, because he has earnt them. However he will get less shots; Flip is a great scorer, but he's in the mould of an Iverson or Francis etc, that being he needs shots to score. He's not going to come off the bench and score 20 on 12 or so shots, he needs his 15-20 shots to keep up his average. I don't think he'll get that, and he doesn't do enough else consistently to win it. 2) I fear even if he is averaging 15 off the bench by the end of the season, voters will look at him as someone who's based that average on his stats as a starter, and then fed on the scraps off the bench so to speak.
Kendall Gill has been solid off the bench. He should at least be considered as when the team is at full health he will be coming off the bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post"> 2) I fear even if he is averaging 15 off the bench by the end of the season, voters will look at him as someone who's based that average on his stats as a starter, and then fed on the scraps off the bench so to speak.</div> Hey, it worked for Bobby Jackson (26 starts 20.2 PPG).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ObieCent:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey, it worked for Bobby Jackson (26 starts 20.2 PPG).</div> That's a good point actually. It helped that the Kings were a Championship favourite though, and he was acknowledged to have played a big role by most sections of the media.
