just wanted to say the knicks have got to take either a center or a sg who do you think they will get??? i would really like them to get either hakim warrick or that 7 foot point guard ivan something
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe35plus:</div><div class="quote_post">just wanted to say the knicks have got to take either a center or a sg </div> Why a sg? What's wrong with Houston? I think you meant center or pg, which is right. If they can get him, Chris Thomas from Notre Dame might fit. He can pass but also score, which the Knicks need/want. However, I think the draft decision is moot. With Isiah at the helm, look for NY to try to build through trades rather than the draft(not that they were doing differently before). If they can get Warrick it would be nice, but he'd be hard-pressed for pt for a couple seasons.
Knicks Draft the Knicks wont fraft Hakim Warrik.....personally I think they should go for either Dwight Howard, Emeka Okefar, or Loul Deng.....it looks like Deng will leave Duke after this season
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe35plus:</div><div class="quote_post"> i would really like them to get either hakim warrick or that 7 foot point guard ivan something</div> 7-foot point guard?? There is a guy like that out there? I think the Knicks will go after a point guard. Isiah Thomas seems partial to them little guys. Ben Gordan maybe (altho I think he's quite overrated).
Depending on where the Knicks land in the lottery, here are some players I think they should look at. Luol Deng Ben Gordon Emeka Okafor Dwight Howard BTW, kobe35plus the guy you are thinking of is Ivan Chiriaev. He is a 7-1 SG/SF out of Russia. If the Knicks go with a big man in the 1st round, I think someone worth consideration in the second round would be Chris Duhon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dexter:</div><div class="quote_post"> If the Knicks go with a big man in the 1st round, I think someone worth consideration in the second round would be Chris Duhon.</div> I like Duhon a lot too but I don't think the knicks should get him. They already have a similar player in Frank Williams...
Draft projections this early are always incredibly difficult, but with Isiah at the helm the Knicks' draft scope looks particluarly hazy because the roster will have received a serious shaking by the time the trade deadline has passed. Charlie Ward, Kurt Thomas and Antonio Mcdyess are all likely canidates to be moved. Thomas has already cut Slavko Vranes would rather be devloping Maciej Lampe and Mike Sweetney than waiting for 'Dice (who has 13 million dollar expiring deal) to start limping again. If the Knicks keep winning 40% of thier games, they will have to get lucky in the lottery to get a player of Deng, Howard or Okafor's caliber. Right now they have the 7th worst record in the league, so I'll pretend they have the 7th pick. I think Ben Gordon would be a great fit here. Offensively he is one of the most dominating college guards of the last decade. He can shoot it better than most pro's, has great handles and is a highly skilled passer. He's probably a bit underrated as a prospect because he's an undersized combo guard. Personally I don't get it. It seems like Steve Francis, Gilbert Arenas, Nick Van Exel, Jason Terry and now Ronald Murray should have GM's convinced that undersized combo guards can help basketball teams. Other than Gordon, Tiago Splitter would be a good pick here if he works out well. Supposedly he's upped his weight to around 250, if that's true he'll probably be a top 5 pick. Edit: SPeaking of giant foriegn players, Pavel Padkolzine is only getting about 10 mpg this year. I hope it hasn't stunted his development. Has anyone heard anything about him this year?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocko220:</div><div class="quote_post"> He's probably a bit underrated as a prospect because he's an undersized combo guard. Personally I don't get it. It seems like Steve Francis, Gilbert Arenas, Nick Van Exel, Jason Terry and now Ronald Murray should have GM's convinced that undersized combo guards can help basketball teams. </div> Actually, I'm not really high on combo guards either. If they are under 6'3'' and they are a shooting guard in college, its really difficult transition in the NBA. You just listed some successful transitions, but for every one, there are like ten that don't make it. I think that's why GM's are still weary.
You are definitely right that many undersized combo guards do not make it, but I would argue that the reason they don't make it is not because of lack of size, but lack of talent. Over the last two season's Gordon has posted notabaly better numbers than Dwayne Wade's final two years at Marquette and against surperior competition nonetheless. They are very similar players offensively but Gordon is undeniably a better passer and better shooter from range than Wade ever was. Dwayne Wade is having a fantastic rookie year for the Miami Heat and even if being two inches shorter than Wade hurts Ben Gordon, his skills as a passer should help him have an equally successfull first year in the NBA (provided, of course he stays healthy and is given the oppertunity to play big minutes the way wade has).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocko220:</div><div class="quote_post">You are definitely right that many undersized combo guards do not make it, but I would argue that the reason they don't make it is not because of lack of size, but lack of talent. </div> In comparing Wade and Gordon, Wade isn't just taller and longer, but he's quite a big stronger...but that's not my point. The fact is drafting a combo guard is risky. For every Gilbert Arenas, there is a Steve Logan (both 2nd rounders). It's true that some lack talent, but the big thing that holds them back is mentality. The point guard position is arguably the toughest postion to play. A lot of guys have the talent, but they aren't able to make the adjustment. Guys like Shammond Williams, Tony Delk, Corey Alexander, Eddie House are, I feel, very talented. Even guys like Franchise and Terry are still having trouble running their respective teams. Those guys, along with Iverson, are so uniquely talented that they are still able to succeed despite their size. Gordon might become a successful NBA player, but like a said, there is still a risk... Some teams just aren't in position to take too much of a chance. Its just my preference but if I were to take a risk, I would do so on a big man.
I agree with pretty much everything you say. There is definitely a risk in drafting a smallish combo guard, but no greater risk than drafting any other player that is not a cream-of-the-crop talent. Also comparing Shammond Williams, Tony Delk, Corey Alexander and Eddie House to Gordon is insulting to Gordon. None of those players had Gordon's skill-set. You are comparing players of vastly different talent levels, claiming that for every Gilbert Arenas there is a Steve Logan. Both of those players were second rounders- of course Arenas is the exeption there, but Gordon is a top-ten and maybe a top 5 talent and is probably one of the top 4 or 5 players in the NCAA right now. None of the players you listed above could ever make that claim without being laughed at.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocko220:</div><div class="quote_post">None of the players you listed above could ever make that claim without being laughed at.</div> well, I just named guys off the top of my head. But I'm sure you agree those players were talented enough to make the transition to point. btw, Tony Delk was arguably Kentucky's best player when they won the tourney. And that was a very talented squad. Like I said, I'm not saying Gordon isn't going to be good. I'm just giving my opinion on why people are weary of combo-guards. You make good points tho...only time will tell whether Gordon will make a successful transition.
dexter if you look at this site at the bottom it will show you ivan is a PG http://www.hoopshype.com/interviews/chiriaev_sierra.htm
knicks probably arent going for a PG now they got moochie,ward,frank williams and eisley and also most likely ivan isnt gonna be in the draft because it also says in that interview that if he doesnt go top 3 he wants to go to college and im sure any college is willing to take a 7'1" PG who is compared to dirk
I think issiah is happy with mutombo and kurt thomas currently i think they need a Pg though so i wouldnt be suprised if they try tog et dwight howard
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe Bryant:</div><div class="quote_post">I think issiah is happy with mutombo and kurt thomas currently i think they need a Pg though so i wouldnt be suprised if they try tog et dwight howard</div> If Isaiah is happy with Mutumbo and Thomas, and needs a pointguard, why does he draft a power forward?
Now the Suns have this pick... thanks Knicks!! Too bad the 2004 draft is weak and the Suns can't use much of anybody from it... maybe a package deal to trade up to get Pavel Podkolzine (?)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe35plus:</div><div class="quote_post">dexter if you look at this site at the bottom it will show you ivan is a PG http://www.hoopshype.com/interviews/chiriaev_sierra.htm</div> They had him listed as a SG on nbadraft.net. He probably plays both though. Either way he is freaking tall for a guard.
