<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't mean it as a homophobic joke. Only someone who is a 13 year old would have taken it like that. </div> "men is your thing" is not a homophobic joke? you are such a "man", how about backing up what you say?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">what, got a problem if it its? you think a homophobic joke makes me back down? how old are you, 13?</div> This thread is bringing tears of laughter to my eyes. Let's move on guys. I'll be needing a new avatar soon KJ, just haven't decided on one yet. Maybe something like James and Boozer back to back with the Cavs logo. I'll let you know soon though!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? MJ scored 32,292 in 1,072 while Wilt scored 31,419 in 1,045. Both have 30.1 career scoring average but let's not forget that MJ would have a better average if he didn't come back. Besides, stats aren't everything. Stilt played against basically small guys. If there were big guys, only a few would be there to give him a great challenge. MJ played against the quickest PGs, the biggest Cs, the nastiest PFs and the sharpest shooters.</div> Yeah they both have the same svcoring average. But Chamberlain has almost every scoring record (four highest scoring seasons, ...) and Jordan just a few. So Wilt was a more dominating scorer than Jordan. And that is not an opinion but a fact. Your argument about smaller players, and quicker guards and pg,... is really rubish.Ever heard of Russell, Hallbrook (he was taller than Wilt), Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, and so one. And big doesn't mean that you are good. I know a lot of really tall players who really are bad bballers. Check out the center of the mavericks Bradley. And Jordan was a scorer. Chamberlain is not only the best scorer ever, o no he is the best rebounder ever allso. And he has almost every rebounding record. Best scorer + best rebounder ever= best player ever. And don't forget that The Big Dipper was the only center ever to lead the league in assists!!! Jordan is a guard and he never did that. And if I'm not mistaking in Wilt his days there were a lot less teams than now. so the teams and players met each other al lot more. And if I'm not mistaking Russell is considered the best defensive center ever. Wilt did a lot of his magic against him. For example he grabbed 55 rebounds against him. I'm a big Jordan fan but he is no match for Wilt. It is not even close.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">"men is your thing" is not a homophobic joke? you are such a "man", how about backing up what you say?</div> I wasn't meaning it as any insult. I was just asking if men was your thing. It's ok man. You don't have to get all insecure about it. Puberty is just around the corner, just wait a bit.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">you are such a "man", how about backing up what you say?</div> Kinda hard for him to back up his words on a message board........ Anyone besides me wanna talk about basketball?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">It's because like many people on this board, the makers of these lists overestimate the importance of rings. Stock was all-time leader in assists. While I still think that both Oscar and Magic are the two 2 pgs of all time, Stockton was the purest pg ever.</div> not only was he all-time leader in assists, he's #1 all-time in steals with 700 more than MJ, and #29 in points (not bad for the second-scoring option behind the guy who is #2 all-time - for all of you pippen apologists). i love isaiah's game but stockton was superior
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post"> Anyone besides me wanna talk about basketball?</div> I agree. Enough with the garbage guys.(im talking to myself too). BASKETBALL
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Kinda hard for him to back up his words on a message board........ Anyone besides me wanna talk about basketball?</div> exactly... it's easy being anomymous. but you are right, let's move on.
Which brings me to my next arguement as to why the hell Bob Pettit and John Havlicek are both before Moses Malone! We are talking about Moses here.... This baller could literally separate large bodies of water if he had to inorder to make way for his thunderous dunks. Named ABA All-Rookie Team (1975) Named ABA All-Star Team (1975) Named NBA MVP three times (1979, 1982, 1983) Named All-NBA First Team four times (1979, 1982, 1983, 1985) Named All-NBA Second Team four times (1980, 1981, 1984, 1987) Named NBA All-Defensive First Team (1983) Named NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1979) Named NBA Finals MVP (1983) Holds single-game record for most offensive rebounds in playoffs with 15 on April 21, 1977 vs. Washington Holds career record for most consecutive games without a disqualification-1,212 (January 7, 1978 through 1994-95 season) Holds career record for most free throws made with 8,531 Holds career record for most offensive rebounds with 6,731 Holds career record for most turnovers with 3,804 Holds single-season record for most offensive rebounds with 587 (1979) Holds single-game record for most offensive rebounds-21 (February 11, 1982 vs. Seattle) Named to NBA All-Star Game 12 times (1978-89) Led Philadelphia 76ers to NBA Championship (1983) Scored 27,409 points (20.6 ppg) and grabbed 16,212 rebounds (12.2 rpg) during 19-year NBA career Named as one of NBA's 50 Greatest Players (1996) Currently ranks as NBA's third leading rebounder in history with 16,212 Currently ranks as NBA's fifth leading scorer in history with 27,409 Made more free throws in NBA history than any other player in NBA history with 8,531 Currently ranks third in most games played in NBA history with 1,329 Currently ranks sixth in most minutes played in NBA history with 45,071 Currently ranks 10th in most field goal attempts in NBA history with 19,225 Currently ranks second in free throw attempts with 11,090 Currently ranks number one in most offensive rebounds ever in NBA history with 6,731 Currently ranks second in most defensive rebounds in NBA history with 9,481 Led the NBA in rebounding six times (1979 and 1981-85) Averaged over 20 points per game for 11 consecutive seasons (1979-89) Upon his retirement, was the last ABA veteran to be active in the NBA In 21 professional seasons (ABA and NBA), scored 29,580 points, fourth on the all-time list, and grabbed 17,834 rebounds, third on the all-time list. First in free throws made (9,018) and attempted (11,864), third in games (1,455) and minutes (49,444) played and ninth in field goals made (10,277) and attempted (20,750).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BeLikeMike:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah they both have the same svcoring average. But Chamberlain has almost every scoring record (four highest scoring seasons, ...) and Jordan just a few. So Wilt was a more dominating scorer than Jordan. And that is not an opinion but a fact. Your argument about smaller players, and quicker guards and pg,... is really rubish.Ever heard of Russell, Hallbrook (he was taller than Wilt), Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, and so one. And big doesn't mean that you are good. I know a lot of really tall players who really are bad bballers. Check out the center of the mavericks Bradley. And Jordan was a scorer. Chamberlain is not only the best scorer ever, o no he is the best rebounder ever allso. And he has almost every rebounding record. Best scorer + best rebounder ever= best player ever. And don't forget that The Big Dipper was the only center ever to lead the league in assists!!! Jordan is a guard and he never did that. And if I'm not mistaking in Wilt his days there were a lot less teams than now. so the teams and players met each other al lot more. And if I'm not mistaking Russell is considered the best defensive center ever. Wilt did a lot of his magic against him. For example he grabbed 55 rebounds against him. I'm a big Jordan fan but he is no match for Wilt. It is not even close.</div> we've had o lot of arguments about this before. Let's not make this another MJ vs Stilt thread. Of course I can post more facts but I'll just pm you the link when I see it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Moses was a true beast. Should be top 10 IMO.</div> But honestly, who would you remove from the top 10?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">But honestly, who would you remove from the top 10?</div> This is just personal opinion, I would like to have him as my center over Kareem (but Olajuwon over ever center)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">But honestly, who would you remove from the top 10?</div> Oneal at 11, Moses at 10.
One thing I was very glad to see was Bill Walton's exclusion from the list. He didn't deserve to be anywhere near the NBA's list..He was a great player during his 2 - 3 season prime...but IMO longevity is a key component to making a Greatest type list.
malone is great but i agree, i couldn't take anyone out of the top 10. not o'neal and definitely not kareem (if the top scorer of all time isn't there, it's a travesti). it's just life. someone has to be 11.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Black Widow:</div><div class="quote_post">Check the list,do you guys agree or disagree? <u>SLAM Magazine's 50 Greatest Players Of All-Time</u> (June 9,2003 issue of Slam Classic) 1. Michael Jordan 2. Wilt Chamberlain 3. Oscar Robertson 4. Bill Russell 5. Magic Johnson 6. Larry Bird 7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 8. Jerry West 9. Shaquille O'Neal 10. Julius Erving 11. Elgin Baylor 12. Hakeem Olajuwon 13. Karl Malone 14. Bob Pettit 15. John Havlicek 16. Moses Malone 17. Isiah Thomas 18. John Stockton 19. Charles Barkley 20. Walt Frazier 21. Rick Barry 22. Bob Cousy 23. Elbin Hayes 24. Dave Cowens 25. George Gervin 26. Kevin McHale 27. Dominique Wilkins 28. Patrick Ewing 29. Willis Reed 30. Wes Unseld 31. George Mikan 32. Earl Monroe 33. Nate Thurmond 34. Dolph Schayes 35. Walt Bellamy 36. David Robinson 37. Billy Cunningham 38. Paul Arizin 39. Dave Debusschere 40. Alex English 41. Scottie Pippen 42. Nate Archibald 43. Adrian Dantley 44. Clyde Drexler 45. Bernard King 46. Bob McAdoo 47. Gary Payton 48. Artis Gilmore 49. Jerry Lucas 50. Pete Maravich</div> Here is the NBA's list of 50....so let's compare...the only thing is is there isn't in any order. <ul> [*]Karl Malone [*]Nate Archibald [*]Moses Malone [*]Paul Arizin [*]Pete Maravich [*]Charles Barkley [*]Kevin McHale [*]Rick Barry [*]George Mikan [*]Elgin Baylor [*]Earl Monroe [*]Dave Bing [*]Hakeem Olajuwon [*]Larry Bird [*]Shaquille O'Neal [*]Wilt Chamberlain [*]Robert Parish [*]Bob Cousy [*]Bob Pettit [*]Dave Cowens [*]Scottie Pippen [*]Billy Cunningham [*]Willis Reed [*]Dave DeBusschere [*]Oscar Robertson [*]Clyde Drexler [*]Julius Erving [*]Bill Russell [*]Patrick Ewing [*]Dolph Schayes [*]Walt Frazier [*]Bill Sharman * [*]Bill Walton * [*]Lenny Wilkens * [*]George Gervin [*]John Stockton [*]Hal Greer [*]Isiah Thomas [*]John Havlicek [*]Nate Thurmond [*]Elvin Hayes [*]Wes Unseld [*]Magic Johnson [*]Sam Jones [*]Jerry West [*]Michael Jordan [*]Jerry Lucas [*]James Worthy [/list] The ones with the * are the ones I REALLY have a problem with being top 50.
Bill Walton is where he should be at 73. The fact that they rate KG at 70 makes it even more obvious they made a mistake with him. Not only should he be higher than Webber, he should also be ranked ahead of rodman, aguirre and sam jones.
