How long will the Kings be at the top of their division?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">An L is an L. Suck it up. I don't care who was playing. The people on the court had Laker jerseys on their backs and that's all that matters.</div>

Good point. Us Laker fans will have to wait until our team gets fully healthy until we can have a "real" battle. The playoffs are always fun to watch, and I can't wait. The Kings did win fair and square, granted, the Lakers had a tragic lineup against them. However, like I said, we must wait until the next game!

 

I love this rivalry. Everyone hates each other. I think that if healthy, Kings will beat the Lakers, but only if everyone is healthy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">Laker_Fever - I like the way you've ignored any decent arguments in favor of the Kings.

How can you use the excuse of losing Malone, Shaq and Kobe, when a) the Kings were ahead of the Lakers before those three got injured and the Kings have played the entire season without their best player?

You ask why the Lakers have won(or used to win, sorry) in the playoffs every year, and why the Kings didn't? To use your own argument, injuries.

Do you really think the Lakers would have beaten the Kings had the latter been fully healthy? The Lakers barely squeaked by the Kings in game seven in '02 despite the Kings missing their second all-star for most of the series. I'll admit LA was better in '00 and '01, but those teams were completely different from this team.

The Lakers, on the other hand, haven't missed either Kobe OR Shaq in any of the past four playoffs. By your logic, they should have won all of those.

But they didn't.</div>

So injuries have kept the Kings from advancing far into the playoffs huh? That's an excuse. Because this team plays so well without Webber in the lineup. We've seen this in the regular season. They have rhythm in their offense, they have tempo, and they play so well as a team without Webber. I've heard NBA writers say that if Webber does return to the Kings anytime soon, he'd mess up the Kings offensive gameplans. But whenever the Kings go to the playoffs, whatever round, they always seem to choke. I know the Lakers barely squeaked by the Kings in 2002. I realize that. If it wasn't for Horry, they would've taken the series at Staples. I recognize that. I'm not clueless. But Peja did miss that crucial three from the baseline remember? The airball? And in the final 2 minutes of the ballgame, they missed so many free throws. And Kings fans always try to say it was the REFS fault. Pleaaase....I'm tired of that ridiculous nonsense. Call me crazy or stupid, but I feel the Lakers will beat the Kings again if they do end up playing each other in the playoffs. Maybe this time when my team destroys them, Kings fans can seal their mouths with duct tape.

The Lakers of 2000 and 2001 were amazing teams, but this 2004 squad when healthy could be even better. Once Payton, Malone, Shaq and Kobe really click with this triangle offense. Do you really believe once the Lakers enter the playoffs, Payton and Malone will allow opponents to beat them and once again deny their opportunities to get a ring? I really don't think so. I really don't understand what you mean when you say Lakers haven't missed Kobe or Shaq in any of the past 4 playoffs? Let me just give a quick fact. Lakers as a franchise 14 NBA titles, Sacramento Kings. 0

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">Lakers as a franchise 14 NBA titles, Sacramento Kings. 0</div>

Thats sounds like a reach when you have to bring that out of the PAST.

 

Boston Celtics have 16 titles

Does that mean they are better than everyone else? No

Fact is how many titles each team has is pointless when comparing which team is better at this current moment in time.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats sounds like a reach when you have to bring that out of the PAST.</div>

Nah, No reach. I like bringing it up so that Kings fans can shut up already. :mrgreen:

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Boston Celtics have 16 titles

Does that mean they are better than everyone else? No

Fact is how many titles each team has is pointless when comparing which team is better at this current moment in time.</div>

This isn't even about the Celtics. This is about the Lakers and Kings. What this means is the Lakers are better than the Kings when you look at the franchise's success.

Comparing which team is better at the current moment? You're expecting me to type Sacramento huh? Hell no.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">This isn't even about the Celtics. This is about the Lakers and Kings. What this means is the Lakers are better than the Kings when you look at the franchise's success.

Comparing which team is better at the current moment? You're expecting me to type Sacramento huh? Hell no.</div>

You brought up that Lakers have 14 titles to Kings 0

Thats why I mentioned the Celtics,they have more titles

My point is you can't use how many titles you have won in your arguement.

It's still very debatable which team is better Lakers or Kings

It could go on all day,every week and month

Infact I expect people to still be debating for a long time,come playoff time we will see (If they meet of course) Which I hope happens.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">Nah, No reach. I like bringing it up so that Kings fans can shut up already. :mrgreen:</div>

We have many Kings fans on this board talking it up I see (more like the otehr way around)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">You brought up that Lakers have 14 titles to Kings 0

Thats why I mentioned the Celtics,they have more titles

My point is you can't use how many titles you have won in your arguement.

It's still very debatable which team is better Lakers or Kings

It could go on all day,every week and month

Infact I expect people to still be debating for a long time,come playoff time we will see (If they meet of course) Which I hope happens.</div>

Sounds fair. That's the only way I'll end it.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">We have many Kings fans on this board talking it up I see (more like the otehr way around)</div>

heheheh good one KJ, but aren't you always the one that sticks your head into people's arguments? Maybe you should shut it too.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">So injuries have kept the Kings from advancing far into the playoffs huh? That's an excuse. Because this team plays so well without Webber in the lineup. We've seen this in the regular season. They have rhythm in their offense, they have tempo, and they play so well as a team without Webber. </div>

I'm not sure where you've been this season, but this Kings team is different from the past Kings teams. This year they added Brad Miller, who averaging all-star caliber numbers(15, 10, 5) at the 4 spot, so they don't miss Webber nearly as much as last season's playoffs.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But whenever the Kings go to the playoffs, whatever round, they always seem to choke.</div>

Choke? So losing your second best player for the Western Conference Finals, and then your best player in the WC semis, both to injury, is choking? Man, they should be ashamed!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I know the Lakers barely squeaked by the Kings in 2002. I realize that. If it wasn't for Horry, they would've taken the series at Staples. I recognize that. I'm not clueless. But Peja did miss that crucial three from the baseline remember? The airball? And in the final 2 minutes of the ballgame, they missed so many free throws. And Kings fans always try to say it was the REFS fault. Pleaaase....I'm tired of that ridiculous nonsense. Call me crazy or stupid, but I feel the Lakers will beat the Kings again if they do end up playing each other in the playoffs. Maybe this time when my team destroys them, Kings fans can seal their mouths with duct tape.</div>

You're crazy. Peja was injured during that series, so of course he wasn't himself. And you're gonna use him playing through pain as justification?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers of 2000 and 2001 were amazing teams, but this 2004 squad when healthy could be even better. Once Payton, Malone, Shaq and Kobe really click with this triangle offense. </div>

Could be. But isn't. We've seen them all play together, and when they're all on its really something to watch. But how often did that happen? How often will that continue to happen?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you really believe once the Lakers enter the playoffs, Payton and Malone will allow opponents to beat them and once again deny their opportunities to get a ring?</div>

Yes. I do. Payton and Malone aren't some superheros who will win by pure strength of will.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I really don't understand what you mean when you say Lakers haven't missed Kobe or Shaq in any of the past 4 playoffs? </div>

Clearly. I mean that neither Kobe or Shaq has missed a series(or a game, for that matter) in the playoffs due to injury in the past four years, or even for the past seven years. You can't deny that, since its a fact.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Let me just give a quick fact. Lakers as a franchise 14 NBA titles, Sacramento Kings. 0</div>

I thought you were gonna give a quick fact. Why don't you look that up again, and then give us the real total? If you researched properly, you'd see that they have won, although not as many as the Lakers.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">So injuries have kept the Kings from advancing far into the playoffs huh? That's an excuse. Because this team plays so well without Webber in the lineup. We've seen this in the regular season. They have rhythm in their offense, they have tempo, and they play so well as a team without Webber. I've heard NBA writers say that if Webber does return to the Kings anytime soon, he'd mess up the Kings offensive gameplans. But whenever the Kings go to the playoffs, whatever round, they always seem to choke. I know the Lakers barely squeaked by the Kings in 2002. I realize that. If it wasn't for Horry, they would've taken the series at Staples. I recognize that. I'm not clueless. But Peja did miss that crucial three from the baseline remember? The airball? And in the final 2 minutes of the ballgame, they missed so many free throws. And Kings fans always try to say it was the REFS fault. Pleaaase....I'm tired of that ridiculous nonsense. Call me crazy or stupid, but I feel the Lakers will beat the Kings again if they do end up playing each other in the playoffs. Maybe this time when my team destroys them, Kings fans can seal their mouths with duct tape.

The Lakers of 2000 and 2001 were amazing teams, but this 2004 squad when healthy could be even better. Once Payton, Malone, Shaq and Kobe really click with this triangle offense. Do you really believe once the Lakers enter the playoffs, Payton and Malone will allow opponents to beat them and once again deny their opportunities to get a ring? I really don't think so. I really don't understand what you mean when you say Lakers haven't missed Kobe or Shaq in any of the past 4 playoffs? Let me just give a quick fact. Lakers as a franchise 14 NBA titles, Sacramento Kings. 0</div>


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't call taking the Western Conference Finals to a Game 7 without your second best man choking. And neither do I call taking the Western Conference Semi-Finals to a Game 7 after losing your all-star choking. Call it making excuses if you damn well please, but you know damn good if those guys had been healthy we would've had both those series.

I'm damn tired of hearing these Laker fans saying that Malone and Payton will help the Lakers cruise to the Finals. So y'all think the playoffs will be smooth sailing, eh? I'll tell you this, y'all in for a damn big surprise. And what if the Lakers don't go to Finals? What are y'all Laker fans gonna say then?

Do you actually believe that Webber will mess up the Kings' chemistry when he returns? I know you Laker fans want to believe that, but you know what? Not gonna happen. Webber will only make the Kings better. Sorry to disappoint ya.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">Call it making excuses if you damn well please, but you know damn good if those guys had been healthy we would've had both those series.

I'm damn tired of hearing these Laker fans saying that Malone and Payton will help the Lakers cruise to the Finals. So y'all think the playoffs will be smooth sailing, eh? I'll tell you this, y'all in for a damn big surprise. And what if the Lakers don't go to Finals? What are y'all Laker fans gonna say then?

Do you actually believe that Webber will mess up the Kings' chemistry when he returns? I know you Laker fans want to believe that, but you know what? Not gonna happen. Webber will only make the Kings better. Sorry to disappoint ya.</div>

It's all woulda coulda shoulda. That's all Kings fans do. Whenever their team gets smashed on by the Lakers they always say oh because of our injuries. LOL.

Us Laker fans aren't saying that with Malone and Payton we're gonna cruise to the Finals, but we're expected to make it to the Finals. And we're not saying it'll be smooth sailing, but if this team gets going in the playoffs, who knows? It just might be smooth sailing. If the Lakers don't go to the Finals, we'll come back and talk about why our team didn't go to the championship.

Do I believe that Webber will mess up the Kings chemistry when he returns? Probably. They play so well without him there. If Webber makes the Kings better, please advance farther into the playoffs, and contact me when your team is on the Arco Arena stage holding up that gold trophy.

I won't say anything more.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">It's all woulda coulda shoulda. That's all Kings fans do. Whenever their team gets smashed on by the Lakers they always say oh because of our injuries. LOL. </div>

Um, all I seem to be hearing whenever a Kings fan brings up the two numbers 103 and 83 to a Laker fan is a refrain of Shaq, Kobe, and Malone were injured so that win doesn't mean anything. Yeah, keep on crying, Laker fans.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post"> Us Laker fans aren't saying that with Malone and Payton we're gonna cruise to the Finals, but we're expected to make it to the Finals. And we're not saying it'll be smooth sailing, but if this team gets going in the playoffs, who knows? It just might be smooth sailing. If the Lakers don't go to the Finals, we'll come back and talk about why our team didn't go to the championship. </div>

You say all Kings fans do is say coulda, woulda, shoulda and now you're saying if the Lakers don't go to the Finals you'll do the same thing? Hmm....I'm confused.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">Do I believe that Webber will mess up the Kings chemistry when he returns? Probably. They play so well without him there. If Webber makes the Kings better, please advance farther into the playoffs, and contact me when your team is on the Arco Arena stage holding up that gold trophy.

I won't say anything more. </div>


You said they play so well without Webber there. So don't you think that they'll play even better with him there? You're expected to make it to the Finals, huh? Stop the defending champs the San Antonio Spurs and then you contact me.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">It's all woulda coulda shoulda.

I won't say anything more. </div>

Please take your own words as advice.

You keep reaching into the PAST to try and take away from the fact that the Kings are taking care of business and the Lakers are not.

Last I saw, they both made it to the same round last season though the Lakers had their 2 stars healthy while the Kings could not get the best of the Mavs without Webber.

Lakers to the L right in their mug and have no excuse.

I don't see these cats going into the Laker forum and making fun of the Kobe situation or Shaq's lack of conditioning (that can be said every year)

Get over it, respect, be a big boy.

 

Damn, how did I miss out on a Kings/Lakers debate?! Oh well, there's always next time, too hard to get into it once the core of the arguement has already taken place.

Seems like everyone teamed up on Laker_Fever , no respect for the Lakers up in here!. It's all good, just wait until we make one of these in the Laker forum. :mrgreen:

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple N Gold:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn, how did I miss out on a Kings/Lakers debate?! Oh well, there's always next time, too hard to get into it once the core of the arguement has already taken place.

Seems like everyone teamed up on Laker_Fever , no respect for the Lakers up in here!. It's all good, just wait until we make one of these in the Laker forum. :mrgreen:</div>


can't wait :mrgreen:

 

shapecity, Thank You. :mrgreen: