<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">allnet - i dont care, i dont need to explain to you why im posting, but if you think its because i care what you or anyone else thinks, good for you. and i am calm, i always have been, but good work on making another assumption. maybe i would always have seemed calm if you haddnt come at me with condasending attitude and just carried on a normal conversation like iv been trying to do throughout. im done thats not what im here to talk about, regardless if my opinion is "wrong" or not, you dont have to try and cut me or anyone else up, plus it sets a bad example as a mod. you should know that </div> Anyone that knows me here knows that I like to make wise cracks in any debate or disussion I'm involved in,which is why they normally don't take it personal.If you think It's an attack on you you are mis-taken.Being a mod has nothing to do with what I post.I will never change the way I am no matter if I'm a mod or not.That label doesn't matter to me.I have managed to carry on with a normal conversation,nothing has changed throughout. I'm off to watch the rest of the Georgia Tech game peace
Not only basketball but baseball as well the modern athlete is strong but not mentally strong. There are few players in most sports that can play injured.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">i see...if im that dull then why you bother to continue to carry it on then?</div> Let me break it down once more.... 3 years ago..Vince FG% .460 This year...Vince FG% .415 Now from your logic...Vince was the same three years ago..his awesome dunks and ability to drive the lane at will overshadow low shooting percentage because of him taking lower percentage shots...based on the above(all from NBA.com) you are wrong. Vince's numbers are lower because he isn't hitting shots he was 3 years ago AND because he isn't doing the things that made him great. If Vince were the dominant guy we saw 3 years ago...and if he was driving the lane and doing what he wanted at will like before..his numbers would be alot higher because a majority of his points came from his ability to score while drving to the hoop.
let's get back to the orginal topic.... NBA players of 'softer' because they are more afraid of getting hurt...i donno if you play basketball or not but if you do get injured, it takes a lot of mental stregnth to all of a sudden jump into a game...of course, theres those who choose to ignore all pain and all out play (like iverson) but....if it is ur starting center (Shaq) then he deserves a rest till he fully heals and comes back stronger then before...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone that knows me here knows that I like to make wise cracks in any debate or disussion I'm involved in,which is why they normally don't take it personal.If you think It's an attack on you you are mis-taken.Being a mod has nothing to do with what I post.I will never change the way I am no matter if I'm a mod or not.That label doesn't matter to me.I have managed to carry on with a normal conversation,nothing has changed throughout.</div> im a mod on another board, and the general consensus is that mods should set some kind of example. i know personally i would never encourage someone to leave a discussion just because i didnt agree with what they had to say. i never took it personally...its just frustrating when im trying to carry on a discussion (which apparently was a bad idea) and being told that i should just leave and i make no sense...etc.
to what Big Nasty said...I agree... but his numbers have also gone down due to Jalen Rose and Donyell (Jalen more so)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">to what Big Nasty said...I agree... but his numbers have also gone down due to Jalen Rose and Donyell (Jalen more so)</div> I'll say this..if you dissect his stats and compare him to his best years...at this point in the season is on track to take just as many shots as he did in those years.
Every player in the NBA is not 100% healthy, physically. They all suffer bruises, jams, spraines, and play through them. There are alot of cats who play with a lot of problems like Kobe, AI, KG, Ben Wallace, etc. but other people like Shaq, i guess are too cautious, and don't want to get hurt, but they shouldnt sit out when the team neads them the most.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">im a mod on another board, and the general consensus is that mods should set some kind of example. i know personally i would never encourage someone to leave a discussion just because i didnt agree with what they had to say. i never took it personally...its just frustrating when im trying to carry on a discussion (which apparently was a bad idea) and being told that i should just leave and i make no sense...etc.</div> Ok one last point It may be difficult to sense sarcasm on the internet,which is what it basically was.You are more than welcome to continue any topic on this board.However I felt the discussion wasn't going anywhere,basic points kept on being repeated which is why I made some wise cracks aime towards you. Mods are suppose to set some kind of example? I do A LOT of the time.If not all the time,I didn't expect you to take my wise cracks seriously,get offended or become frustrated by them. You made your points,I debated them,I explained why I thought they were wrong as a few others did. No biggie
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Let me break it down once more.... 3 years ago..Vince FG% .460 This year...Vince FG% .415 Now from your logic...Vince was the same three years ago..his awesome dunks and ability to drive the lane at will overshadow low shooting percentage because of him taking lower percentage shots...based on the above(all from NBA.com) you are wrong. Vince's numbers are lower because he isn't hitting shots he was 3 years ago AND because he isn't doing the things that made him great. If Vince were the dominant guy we saw 3 years ago...and if he was driving the lane and doing what he wanted at will like before..his numbers would be alot higher because a majority of his points came from his ability to score while drving to the hoop.</div> i didnt say vince is the same as 3 yrs ago, i said that 3 yrs ago, vince's above the rim play seemed to overshadow his mistakes. now people are focusing more on his mistakes. i never said that he is the same as 3 yrs ago, i admit that hes fell off a bit...i just dont think hes a mediocre player...i think hes more then that. hes also taking WAY more 3 pointers these days then he did back then, in fact hes already this season hit almost the same amount of 3 balls than he attempted in the entire season your talkin about. thats gonna drive his percentage way down, the fact that its only dropped as much as it has is kinda surprising actually. and did i mention before that his slump of late has really affected his fg% so far this year his 3ball #'s are: 285-686, the season your talkin about his 3 ball #'s were: 162-397 (all from nba.com) is he taking too many 3 balls? hell yes he is! but that would also explain the drop in fg% i wish he was dunking as much as he was puttin up 3's
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Ask anyone who aren't Raptors fans on this board they will tell you Vince Carter has too many groupies,some even would rather Vince play great basketball rather than have team success. I'm sure a few people here would back me up on that one.</div> i absolutely agree with you, not only on this board but also out there. there's no reason for vince getting so many votes for the all star game - those ae the people that just watch the highlight dunks on espn. last year was even more ridiculous. marcus camby imo is soft. he plays with heart, but he needs to work on conditioning a lot. i remember when he came into the league there was some interview where he said he hated strenght training. well, you reap what you sow.
I think the Knicks (when they made it to the Finals) and the Nuggets love the way Camby plays (always when healthy of course)
oh absolutely, that's why i said he plays with heart. i was a big fan of camby when he was at mass. i thought he was going to have the impact in the league that duncan has. but he can't be a center in the nba and not train for strenght, that's just not going to work. almost 7' and just 220? that's ok for a pf, but not a center. damn, i weight 220 and i'm not fat. in the interview he was saying that his elbows hurt when he lifted, he thought it hurt his flexibility, etc... i think he started training a lot harder after the 01-02 season, but it may be too late.
The typical center is dead, what teams don't have 2 power forwards in their frontcourt anyway? Leave Shaq, Yao, and Z out of it.
Although Duncan isn't really a center he sure plays like one. Nesterovich is the one taking 18 footers while Duncan is doing the 5 job. I also think that there is a difference in the definition of center based on conferences. JO, and Big Ben are "eastern" centers.
duncan is definitely a center... plays back to the basket, has great post moves, etc. he played pf because of robinson. the point with camby's weight and playing center is that almost every player he's matched again at center will have a weight and strenght advantage against him, even if they are smaller. camby's back and groin injuries may not have happened if he were bulkier to start with.
Duncan has always said he doesn't like to play at center.Even though he is damn good at it.If Jermaine O'Neal had signed in S.A,then I would imagine thats where he would be playing.
