The bulls do need to completely revamp the team, but I wouldn't agree with those untradeables(or untrade-a-bulls). I think they need to keep either Curry or Chandler, but not both. They've gotta get a solid swingman, not a combo guard like Jamal. They could keep him, but if they do he's gotta realize that its not his team, and neither is he the future of the team. Hinrich is great, but if he's the bait that will move a deal to get a superstar, he's gone. Same with JYD. I think AD is close to retirement anyway, so i doubt he's gonna be involved in a trade, but that's just me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">KJ was a slashing dunking little man that got into the paint at will, was an all star, one of the very elite point guards in the game, that is not the game of Hinrich. We would never see Kirk cross someone over and then dunk onYao Ming as KJ would (like when he did that to Olajuwon)</div> I said same talent level, not the same game. To clarify...I think he will be at the same level of talent to KJ in terms of stats and accomplishments and yes I think he can be an elite point guard in the league, but I know I won't foresee Kirk dunking on Yao..although I'd like to see him try
Oh I know all about the talent of Kirk, I was the first one to own him on my fantasy team and I still have him. He has been amazing and I could not see trading him. The big guys are what, 21, 22? I still give them time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Bron may never be a Magic (hell, put Jabbar, Worthy, Scott, and Cooper around him and they win rings too</div> That doesn't sound like you're giving the right respect to Magic either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh I know all about the talent of Kirk, I was the first one to own him on my fantasy team and I still have him. He has been amazing and I could not see trading him. The big guys are what, 21, 22? I still give them time.</div> Agreed I picked him up recently(suprisingly) and he is nothing but solid for me But I agree with starman that you have to get rid of either Curry or Chandler for them to properly develope. I think having both of them on the same team has stunted their growth a bit and if you can get something good in return for curry or chandler then go for it. But Hinrich is a mainstay, untrade-a-bull in my eyes, he will be the underrated leader getting them into the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BBall Guru:</div><div class="quote_post">lol you can't be serious can you? The man doesn't listen to anyone and never has, he has had enough time to prove himself and he still does the same things cosntantly, there has not been any change in his game. Getting rid of him will not haunt our franchise, thats just the dumbest thing i've ever heard. jalen rose a stud? lol okay buddy! James is better then Hinrich. Maybe, in numbers. Look at Kirks all around game. he has a better game the james. He plays defense too, which is a novel concept in the nba these days. again, I'm going to say this, Curry and Crawford are not players that fit into Paxson/Skiles idea of a team. They are not hard working and do not play defense. Kirk, jermoe williams, antonio davis are the type of players these guys are looking for. They want a rough team that will go in there and give any team hell. Jamal and Eddy are too soft and I predict Jamal won't be on this team feb 20 <font color="Red">Please use that handy edit feature - KJ</font></div> If the Bulls were patient and gave their players more than 2 years to prove themselves worthy of a spot they could have been back in the finals last year..... PG- Ron Artest SG- Jamal Crawford SF- Jalen Rose PF- Brad Miller C- Elton Brand
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Bron may never be a Magic (hell, put Jabbar, Worthy, Scott, and Cooper around him and they win rings too</div> That doesn't sound like you're giving the right respect to Magic either. As for the Bulls, I would wait on Tyson and Eddy for sure. Kirk also seems like a keeper from what I've seen. As for Crawford, I would wait out the season on him and look for a sign and trade deal. Right now he still is on his rookie contract, so its hard to make a trade work with the cap salary and talent level. Crawford is obviously going to have a higher salary next season if he becomes a restricted free-agent, so I would wait for that and make a sign-and-trade deal. I do think the Bulls are desparately in need for change, but I would wait out the season to do anything big. I would still keep the doors open to a trade for any other than the four players I mentioned, like a that trade rumor going around about Jamison and Davis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CANT STOP ME:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Bulls were patient and gave their players more than 2 years to prove themselves worthy of a spot they could have been back in the finals last year..... PG- Ron Artest SG- Jamal Crawford SF- Jalen Rose PF- Brad Miller C- Elton Brand</div> That wouldn't have happened. Ron Artest and Miller were traded for Rose. If they didn't deal Miller they wouldn't have Jalen. If they didn't make that Pacer deal and the Brand to the Clippers deal they would see something like right now though: PG - * SG - Jamal Crawford SF - Ron Artest PF - Elton Brand C - Brad Miller 6th Man - Eddy Curry If Jay Williams didn't get into that accident he would have fit nicely in that lineup *If the bulls did have those players last year, they would probly have been in the playoffs and wouldn't have drafted Hinrich so that PG part I dunno where they would be at
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">That wouldn't have happened. Ron Artest and Miller were traded for Rose. If they didn't deal Miller they wouldn't have Jalen. If they didn't make that Pacer deal and the Brand to the Clippers deal they would see something like right now though: PG - * SG - Jamal Crawford SF - Ron Artest PF - Elton Brand C - Brad Miller 6th Man - Eddy Curry If Jay Williams didn't get into that accident he would have fit nicely in that lineup *If the bulls did have those players last year, they would probly have been in the playoffs and wouldn't have drafted Hinrich so that PG part I dunno where they would be at</div> That would be an excellent lineup. I'm STILL pissed off about the Brand trade, almost 3 years later. Of course, if they didn't make the Rose trade, they could have this lineup, whether or not Jay was healthy: pg - Crawford sg - Mercer sf - Artest pf - Brand c - Miller In fact, they DID have this lineup. And they broke it up. If it had been given time to mature, I'm sure it would have been a lot more productive than it was, although they'd need another all-star to contend for the east title.
Oh my bad i forgot about that but i was just making a point of all the players that have been on the team over the past couple of seasons
I would keep both of the big guys. WIth the proper training (and time) they can complement well with one another. Eddy is not a shot blocker and maybe he can pick up a thing or two besides Tyson and vice versa. Besides, wouldn't you want 2 big, mobile and full of potential big guys in the East?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post"> Besides, wouldn't you want 2 big, mobile and full of potential big guys in the East?</div> Not if one doesn't want to win and get better. I agree with you that their styles completely compliment each other, but if Eddy's not gonna be a scorer, than they need to trade for someone who is, and who can get it done in the paint. The reason Krause gave for trading Elton is that both Brand and Curry are inside guys, whereas Tyson is a more out of the paint big man who doesn't bang as much. And since Tyson went before the Bulls had a chance to get him, they traded for him. If the Bulls had gotten the spot they deserved that year, they could have outright drafted Chandler and kept Brand. I just have a feeling that focusing on one will help that one to progress that much faster; plus, whichever they trade will fetch a big price, maybe another 20-10 guy, like Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
ugh, you all use stats to describe players pg - Crawford sg - Mercer - where are they now? sf - Artest - insane, and pacers would still trade him even with his good numbers pf - Brand - still lacks on defense despite getting his 2 blocks a game. not charles barkley c - Miller - same player on a great team, can roam around and make easy shots
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">That would be an excellent lineup. I'm STILL pissed off about the Brand trade, almost 3 years later. Of course, if they didn't make the Rose trade, they could have this lineup, whether or not Jay was healthy: pg - Crawford sg - Mercer sf - Artest pf - Brand c - Miller In fact, they DID have this lineup. And they broke it up. If it had been given time to mature, I'm sure it would have been a lot more productive than it was, although they'd need another all-star to contend for the east title.</div> Totally forgot about Mercer. His career seems to have really disappeared after leaving Chicago.
