Now, who do we protect?

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  1. GatorsowntheNCAA

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    Well since there has been some suprises and disappointments so far, who would you protect halfway through the season for the Charlotte expansion draft. You can protect 8 Magic.

    I would protect
    Tmac-of course
    Juwan Howard-If he's not gone by then, we have to keep him.
    Drew Gooden-future #2 option for us
    Keith Bogans-looks like he has a good future as a role player
    Zaza-besides the name, he's starting to look good and we need to protect at least 1 center.
    Reece Gaines-I'm not giving up on him yet, i doubt the Magic will either.
    Gordan Giricek-tough season, he will likely heat up later in the season.
    Pat Garrity-after an injury prone season, he will be back jacking up 3's for us

    Let walk
    Andrew Declerq-has no skills and gets into too much foul trouble
    Shammond Williams-gets no playing time
    Rod Strickland-too old
    Tyronn Lue-he shoots too much and defense is weak.
    Lee Nailon-hasn't proven enough
    Grant Hill(borderline keep)
    Steven Hunter-will likely blossom somewhere else, like all our centers do.
     
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    Well its Obvious. That they have to protect Gooden, Howard, and McGrady..

    Its a shoe in to protect the young ones... Bogans, Zaza, Gaines..

    Then you have to keep Garrity.. Hes too valuable..

    Then it comes down to in my opinion.. Gordan Giricek and Grant Hill..

    I agree with the concept off putting out Hill.. But I doubt that Charlotte would take him unless they where 100% sure that he was gonna play..

    Still I wouldnt take him... Id go for someone like Shammond Williams.. Of course, I doubt the Bobcats will take anyone from the magic's pool of players..
     
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    Yeah, I agree. It was between Lue, Giricek, and Hill. Lue hasn't played good lately, so I decided on Giricek, even though he's sucked lately. If anyone that Charlotte drafts it will be Lue or Shammond Williams, IMO. I doubt they'll select either though.
     
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    you gotta protect Hill as long as he ain't officially done !
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Tmac-of course
    Juwan Howard-If he's not gone by then, we have to keep him.
    Drew Gooden-future #2 option for us
    Keith Bogans-looks like he has a good future as a role player
    Zaza-besides the name, he's starting to look good and we need to protect at least 1 center.
    Reece Gaines-I'm not giving up on him yet, i doubt the Magic will either.
    Gordan Giricek-tough season, he will likely heat up later in the season.
    Pat Garrity-after an injury prone season, he will be back jacking up 3's for us

    Let walk
    Andrew Declerq-has no skills and gets into too much foul trouble
    Shammond Williams-gets no playing time
    Rod Strickland-too old
    Tyronn Lue-he shoots too much and defense is weak.
    Lee Nailon-hasn't proven enough
    Grant Hill(borderline keep)
    Steven Hunter-will likely blossom somewhere else, like all our centers do.</div>I agree. I say lose Hill and concentrate on healthy players and the future.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I agree. It was between Lue, Giricek, and Hill. Lue hasn't played good lately, so I decided on Giricek, even though he's sucked lately. If anyone that Charlotte drafts it will be Lue or Shammond Williams, IMO. I doubt they'll select either though.</div>
    hmmz Im thinking...i guess u havent watch any game lately...giricek was like 5/5 last game..and and Lue came off a like..11 assists game..anyways I agree with all but Shammond Williams instead of Gaines..no playing time but IMO he is way better than gaines...and he aint that old..btw , if there was a 9th spot ill protect Hill...but since there isn't ill take the risk..

    T-Mac , Gooden , Howard , Bogans , ZaZa , Giricek or Lue..(thats only hard decision) , Garrity , Shammond.
     
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    Garrity's lost it. Anyway, Howard is useless, he works hard but just isn't good anymore. Not since the Webber days. Marijuana screwed him over. Better get rid of Hill for sure, it'll greatly reduce the cap and give plenty of potential options, including help pay for Dwight Howard's future salary.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post">hmmz Im thinking...i guess u havent watch any game lately...giricek was like 5/5 last game..and and Lue came off a like..11 assists game.</div> You cant base this one game. You gotta base this on What they do for the team year round.. Are they a roleplayer.. Not just one game ya know..

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Garrity's lost it.</div> Hes injured? How has he lost it? Not only that.. Hes in his 6-7 year? Thats not too old, and I am sure hes still got a ton of basketball left in him.. Hell him being injured was a big reason we lose in the end.. Garrity can shoot the three.. Hes a career .424 from the arch.. I doubt hes lost it really.

    Not only that, Every year, his PPG Average goes up..
     
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    Yeah, he's too valuable to cut. Only problem is if you look at the players that I have protected, 3 are PF's, 3 sg/sf only 1 pg/c. So that will create even more of a log jam at our pf position.
     
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    I agree with everything you said Sportsrock except let T- Lue walk. Yeah he has a ring and played with MJ. But look he's just now getting the spotlight for him and the Cats would probably take it away. He's been banged up a couple of times but let him play for at least another season IMO.
     
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    Who wouldn't you protect then, if you protect Lue?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Who wouldn't you protect then, if you protect Lue?</div>
    Reece Gaines
     
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    Yeah, I figured he was who you would select. I just don't like giving up on players without seeing what they can do. We had to think he was somewhat good drafting him at 15, let him prove himself.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I figured he was who you would select. I just don't like giving up on players without seeing what they can do. We had to think he was somewhat good drafting him at 15, let him prove himself.</div>
    Yeah I get were you going. Let a player get in his prime before deciding if they walk.
     
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    Guys, we can't protect Gordy, he's an unrestricted Free Agent after this season. We can only protect him if he gets an extension at some point before the expansion draft(highly unlikely).
     
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    True. We're just thinking who we would keep if we had everyone again. Out of the current roster who would you protect?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">True. We're just thinking who we would keep if we had everyone again. Out of the current roster who would you protect?</div>


    I would probably protect:

    T-mac
    Juwan Howard
    Drew Gooden
    Keith Bogans
    Zaza Pachulia
    Reece Gaines
    Gordan Giricek
    Tyronn Lue

    But to be honest, I only protect Lue and Giricek because we can. I wouldn't mind seeing either of them leaving that much, but who would you protect if not them? Grant Hill? I doubt they would take him with that contract. Pat Garrity? If he indeed misses this entire season, I couldn't see Charlotte taking him either. Who knows if he'll be the same Garrity we know, and even if so, what role does he have on this team? The rest is pretty much junk...
     
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    I would keep Tracy McGrady, Drew Gooden, Keith Bogans, Tyronn Lue, Zaza Pachulia, Gordan Giricek, Grant Hill and Steven Hunter. The Magic aren't a deep team, it was quite a stretch to pick 8 players. The only players to keep would be McGrady, Gooden, and Bogans. Other than that, the Magic wouldn't be too bad off to see the others walk as well.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting :</div><div class="quote_post">Tmac-of course
    Juwan Howard-If he's not gone by then, we have to keep him.
    Drew Gooden-future #2 option for us
    Keith Bogans-looks like he has a good future as a role player
    Zaza-besides the name, he's starting to look good and we need to protect at least 1 center.
    Reece Gaines-I'm not giving up on him yet, i doubt the Magic will either.
    Gordan Giricek-tough season, he will likely heat up later in the season.
    Pat Garrity-after an injury prone season, he will be back jacking up 3's for us

    Let walk
    Andrew Declerq-has no skills and gets into too much foul trouble
    Shammond Williams-gets no playing time
    Rod Strickland-too old
    Tyronn Lue-he shoots too much and defense is weak.
    Lee Nailon-hasn't proven enough
    Grant Hill(borderline keep)
    Steven Hunter-will likely blossom somewhere else, like all our centers do. </div>

    Why are you getting rid of the two starting point guards? (Seems like we can't make up our mind) Rod Strickland may be old, but he's proven that he can still play ball. The Magic need veteran leadership on their roster. I'm sure hes very positive in the locker room for all the young players as well. He compliments McGradys game and has won ballgames for us. I say keep him.

    Lue would be a great player off the bench. Essential asset for the Magic, he's instant offense.

    I say get rid of Pat Garrity. If he's having an off shooting night, he has a terrible game. He has a one dimensional game, which is shooting 3's. He's very soft on defense and the Magic should be keen on improving in that area.

    Juwan Howard should not be in the Magic's future. Once Orlando hits the lotto, Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard will be available. They are both power fowards who are strong on defense.

    Zaza Pachulia has the potential to become something special. I like his effort and energy he brings to the table.

    Reece Gaines just looks like he doesn't want to be out there. Granted, he's on the IL right now, but when he was playing, it wasn't pretty. The Magic are known for drafting busts. I'm not saying he is, but he doesn't seem like a fit for the Magic.
     
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    Rod's too old to protect and Tyronn Lue has horrible defense and is throwing up a bunch of crazy shots. My ideal lineup, since our pg's are pretty weak is to just start Tmac there(since he brings the ball up most of the time anyway) and Bogans at SG and then draft Deng or Dwight Howard to play SF alongside Gooden and Zaza. I would like to see us protect Hunter, but it just won't happen. He just doesn't get any playing time. I would rather protect Hunter than Howard, since Hunter is a 7 foot shot blocking machine. He has the defense that we need at the center position, but for some reason we just don't play him.
     
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    I think after losing armstrong we lost a leader not a player leader(tmac) but a Words , lockerroom and on the court comments leader (besides energy thats why we got pachulia and bogans) but I think we should protect Juwan Howard he is really talking to all players in the court and im sure during practice and in the locker room he helps a lot he is a young veteran..33 years old? he can still go a few years..we need a lot of experience and Rod wont be there the same time as Howard..about Rod i dunno maybe we should keep him even for next season...
     

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