<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NEW YORK -- Ronnie Nunn, in his first year as the NBA?s Director of Officials, is a veteran of 19 NBA seasons. During his officiating career, Nunn officiated 1,134 regular season, 73 playoff and four NBA Finals games, as well as the 1996 NBA All-Star Game, the 1993 McDonald?s Championship in Munich, Germany, the NBA Japan Summer Charity Games in 1996 and the 2000 Mexico Challenge. He has also been involved in the WNBA?s mentor program and is an NBA instructor in the summer. Nunn recently spoke with NBA News about his new job and officiating in the NBA. Q: Can you briefly discuss the oversight system in place for officiating. Nunn: "I think the most profound thing we've done is have 29 standard observers be at every game and they have a myriad of things to fill out concerning the game and there are two parts to fill out. "One is to be at the game on site where you can pick up things, nuances during the game that you can't pick up on television. Maybe a certain call created a sense that there was controversy and you could hear from the stands and that might affect how a coach acts on the bench, and you can pick up stuff like that when you are on site. Plus, the calls. You are noting all the calls that officials are making and the positions that they are in. "The good news to that whole program is that when it is done, the standard observer goes back and reviews game video of that game. He gets a double taste of a drilled down affect of evaluating how the game was from how he observed it. Upon doing that, he sends the report in and that report is funneled to (Director of Basketball Operations/Officiating Performance Analysis) Paul Brazeau and Paul creates a data bank for the officials, each one specifically. "Every place the official goes, the standard observer does similarly, and after six weeks or so we begin to get a profile on the official from a data standpoint. Does he have most calls in the post area? Does he have most calls as a trail official? Does he have most as a slot? Is he more effective in the lead? Does he need help in these areas? Then we sort of filter out a wide-brush profile of how an official is doing, so we can develop him. That's one of the key things being done. "I have four people called group supervisors that take on 15 officials of the 59 that we have. They have a more hands-on, in-touch relationship with the officials based on training and development of them. They pick out from the standard observer data material what things seem to pop up. Not only do they follow the officials, they also oversee the standard observer's assessment of games. Everyone has someone watching him. Then I come into the picture and I have an overview from the standard observers and I have an overview from my group supervisors. I also get information from (Senior Vice President, Basketball Operations) Stu Jackson or (Vice President, Scheduling and Game Operations) Matt Winick or Paul Brazeau concerning all the things involved in officiating on a day-to-day basis. They are also guys who are vigilant in games."</div> More here: http://www.nba.com/features/nunn_qa_040121.html
Well someone please tell Ronnie Nunn to fire the 3 ref's of last night's Pistons-Wolves game, when the Pistons were raped in the ass,
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BenWallace3:</div><div class="quote_post">Well someone please tell Ronnie Nunn to fire the 3 ref's of last night's Pistons-Wolves game, when the Pistons were raped in the ass,</div> Get over it, already. Sure the game was poorly officiated however I hate it when people blame the game on the refs. Your team lost the game by one. Your team also missed 4 free throws, while the Wolves only missed 1. Your team had 15 turnovers to Minnesota's 12. Now if your team made its free throws or cut down on its turnovers you would have won the game, so don't blame the refs for it. Before you blame the refs for the overall outcome of the game look at the free throws and turnover numbers if it was a close game. If your team doesn't shoot 90% from the line then you have no case with me on how the refs cost you the game.
The bottom line is that we would have won the game if the refs made the right call at the end, and that's all I really see to it. Sure you can say we could have played a better game, hit more free throws, but none of them would have mattered if the right call was made, or no call.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BenWallace3:</div><div class="quote_post">The bottom line is that we would have won the game if the refs made the right call at the end, and that's all I really see to it. Sure you can say we could have played a better game, hit more free throws, but none of them would have mattered if the right call was made, or no call.</div> Well if you made your free throws you wouldn't have put the game in the hands of the officials at the end. It wouldn't have mattered what they would have called.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BenWallace3:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, but I gotta ask you this. If the refs made the right call who would have won the game?</div> I didn't see the game so I don't know what you are referring to. The fact of the matter is simple, the refs can never be blamed for the winning or losing of a ballgame. They can influence it however it ultimately comes down to the players and the team to decide that. It just so happened that the ref's made a big call at the end of the game. I guarentee if they made that same call or no call at the start of the game, you wouldn't be complaining as much. Minnesota fans said it was a great call, Pistons fans said it was a terrible one. I would honestly have to see it to tell you if it was the correct call or not.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dexter:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't see the game so I don't know what you are referring to.</div> Well that's the problem then. The fact of the matter is the refs made a call and ruled that Billups committed an offensive foul and waived off the basket he made which happened with only 3 seconds to go. The basket he made would have put the Pistons up by 1 point and would have sealed the win, if the refs did not interfere and make that atrocious call, the Pistons would have won the game, PERIOD. Arguing that if the Pistons made their free throws is a moot point, the refs interefered with the game and made the worst call ever in the past 10 years. The refs did not "influence" the game, they decided the game and they are to blame for the Pistons losing. The refs waived off a clutch basket that the Pistons EARNED with team work and amazing skills. Saying that refs cannot be blamed for a win or a loss is just naive, sure many people always blame the refs when they probably shouldn't, however in this case blaming the refs is more than justified and Pistons fans and the Pistons organization have every right in the world to be angry and file an appeal/complaint with the NBA. If you had seen the game and seen the call that was made, you would not be in this thread arguing like this and you would be in agreement with every Pistons fan on this board and around the world. Wolves fans are biased, of course they will agree with the call. No offensive foul was committed and viewing a simple replay will confirm that no offensive foul was committed. I am not a Pistons fan or a Wolves fan, but I do like the Wolves more and am just telling it like it is.
Usually referees do not make these game deciding calls at the end of the game unless it is blatenly obvious that a foul was committed. If they even think of the possibilitity that they could be wrong, I do not think they should make the call at the end of the game. I didnt see the game which was my fault however I hate it when people blame the refs for losing a close game. The refs however as you described it did actually decide the outcome of the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dexter:</div><div class="quote_post">Usually referees do not make these game deciding calls at the end of the game unless it is blatenly obvious that a foul was committed. If they even think of the possibilitity that they could be wrong, I do not think they should make the call at the end of the game. I didnt see the game which was my fault however I hate it when people blame the refs for losing a close game. The refs however as you described it did actually decide the outcome of the game.</div> In my opinion, it is irresponsible of the NBA to not have a challenge system similar to the NFL. If a team challenges a call that was made and it turns out they were right, the call would be reversed and all would be fine, if the team that challenged the call was actually wrong, they are charged a timeout. Don't quote me on this, but I believe that in the NFL, all close calls in the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter are automatically reviewed by the booth. The NBA needs a legitimate and fair challenge system, a coach or player should not have to resort to getting a T in order to show that they do not agree with a call made. Replays were not invented for the sole purpose of the enjoyment of fans watching on television at home, they were invented in order to increase the fairness of all sports on the field/court/ice/etc. and the NBA needs to make good use of them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">In my opinion, it is irresponsible of the NBA to not have a challenge system similar to the NFL. If a team challenges a call that was made and it turns out they were right, the call would be reversed and all would be fine, if the team that challenged the call was actually wrong, they are charged a timeout. Don't quote me on this, but I believe that in the NFL, all close calls in the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter are automatically reviewed by the booth. The NBA needs a legitimate and fair challenge system, a coach or player should not have to resort to getting a T in order to show that they do not agree with a call made. Replays were not invented for the sole purpose of the enjoyment of fans watching on television at home, they were invented in order to increase the fairness of all sports on the field/court/ice/etc. and the NBA needs to make good use of them.</div> Well, I was going to post something like this and you beat me too it. I agree, I don't understand why there isn't a replay system. Make it just the last 2 minutes if you don't want to have it be available the whole game. However, there needs to be a replay system because some of the calls that happen are just devastating. Dexter, even some Minnesota fans agree that the call was horrible. When biased fans (even purehoops) admit that the call should have been a no call then the refs screwed the game. Sure, they didn't flat out say that the Pistons would have won, but what can you expect. Twolvefan11 said that they got lucky and that is why he didn't celebrate the win. The call was horrible and the refs ruined the great game. So yes, the Piston fans and organization can be mad at the refs of this game. Which is why their names are in BenWallace3's and my sigs.
Amen pyromaniac. They have the replay system for a last second shot, wich is rarely ever usefull, cause it's always so obvious what the call is. I wish they could install it fort the last 2 minutes of a game, like you fella's said. And it would only be used if the game was close, like a 5 point deficeit at most. I mean, if a team is up 20 in the final minute, so one wants to see a review. I would say if a team's down 6, scores and is only down 4, then the game is eledgible for replay.
Refs Suck, Especially In Boston. They Call Every Play Against The Other Team. The Commentators Also Think Every Player On Boston Isnt Fouled Or That Wasnt A Turnover. Once A Boston Guy Threw The Ball Out Of Bounds And The Commmentator Said "boston Ball!" I Also Hate It When The Guy Says ," I Love Walter [mcarty]! Its Really Gay.
The refs are only human, they try their hardest. Accord had a good idea to review calls, but if they were allowed to do that then the last five minutes of a game would take an hour. Mistakes will be made, and the only way to deal with it is to work hard to overcome it and hope that next time the mistake is a break in your favor.
