Re-shaping the Cavs

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  1. jbbKing James

    jbbKing James JBB Banned Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In Cleveland, the Cavs want the team to be like Silas: tough defensive-minded players, who think team-first, win-first and individual stats last. With the departure first of Ricky Davis to Boston and now Miles, the Cavs have gone from being an athletic team to a team with one superstar (James); one potential star who is Silas' type of player (Carlos Boozer); an All-Star center (Zydrunas Ilgauskas) who isn't as tough inside on the defensive end as Silas would like; and a bunch of role players.

    Not that the Cavs can't get up the floor and score in the open court, but the team will now be focused around James and players who will play how Silas wants to play. Silas and GM Jim Paxson feel the team can begin to win this year -- possibly even eke out a playoff spot in the weak Eastern Conference, and then make big strides toward being a championship team in coming years.

    They also wanted the ball out of LeBron's hands. While he leads the team in assists (even averaging more assists than McInnis has in Portland), he also was among the league leaders in turnovers. By putting King James out on the wing, Silas and Paxson feel their young superstar will have more of a chance to create. Even before the trade, Ollie often played point guard down the stretch of games, so LeBron wouldn't have to deal with bringing the ball upcourt against pressure defenses. The one thing the team will have to guard against, however, is that LeBron doesn't get bored out on the wing if he doesn't get the ball enough. And make no mistake, for the Cavs to be successful, the ball must be in LeBron's hands often.
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    I like the changes the Cavs are making, but McInnis is one of the most selfish players in the NBA. Maybe Silas can work with him and McInnis has matured since he was a Clipper and even his first few games as a Blazer. His future as a Cav will depend on his chemistry to play alongside James and Boozer. I'm curious to see how long it takes for him to crack the starting lineup.

    The article mentions Big Z, I think his days are numbered as well in Cleveland. Silas wants another workhorse inside to play with Boozer. The Cavs have Battie to backup both C and PF, but he has had a history of getting injured. Big Z still has trade value, but do the Cavs pull the trigger this season or wait to see if they can find their need at big man in the draft?
     
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    I like the changes the cavs are making, except the dmiles one especially for j.mcinnis. J.Mcinnis isnt as good as miles is going to be, in the end the cavs will realize that. The cavs couldve/shouldve gotten someone better for him that boumtje boumtje and McInnis.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I like the changes the cavs are making, except the dmiles one especially for j.mcinnis. J.Mcinnis isnt as good as miles is going to be, in the end the cavs will realize that. The cavs couldve/shouldve gotten someone better for him that boumtje boumtje and McInnis.</div>


    The Cavs didn't really need Miles. Thats the reason Silias shuffles him around the lineup. He is a spot filler. If he needs someone to run the point for a quick minute or two, he throws him in there. If he wants to go with the small lineup, he puts him in at the 4. Miles is very versitile. But, he doesnt deliver to the team. His jumpshot is inconsistant, and he never learns that he is a threat in transition. He wants glory to come to him but it just doesnt happen. Theres a few times he will get into an open lane and punch one for the fans. And thats what he was basically good for. Im going to miss watching Miles and his hops. But its done its over. Hello McInnis.
     
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    Silas wants defense first. The Cavaliers have actually been one of the better defensive teams in the league since the Boston trade, and though Miles was decent in help defense, his man to man was aweful, I swear I could back him down on the blocks.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Cavaliers have actually been one of the better defensive teams in the league since the Boston trade</div>

    I do notice a "Mike Fratello" type of game play recently. Low scoring, and alot of pressure defense. Cavs had great years with that style of play.
     
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    ...again Pax strikes, and we are worse for it...

    On the surface Miles for McInnis gives us a PG, right?

    If that's so, isn't Pax also responsible for signing Kevin Ollie to that stupid deal, and getting J. R. Bremer, also PGs?

    Thing is, in effect, he's basically traded Andre Miller for McInnis and Boumjte-Boumjte. That is a horrible, horrible deal. (In case you forgot, Andre was sent for Darius.) What a disgusting series of moves. I know they weren't going to give Andre the max deal he wanted (he said it when he was still here), but that is just a bad move compounded.

    Seems to me the one thing Pax gets credit for is moving Shawn Kemp and his big fat contract. OK, but that's just one thing.

    Somebody give me a reason to trust this clown!
     
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    Well if they traded andre miller for"mcinnis and ruben" then that means the clippers traded miles for nothing? its not like miles was gonna stay here. Bremer is on a 1 year contract so who cares about him. Ollie is a ok pg nice backup.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Da Outsider:</div><div class="quote_post">...again Pax strikes, and we are worse for it...

    On the surface Miles for McInnis gives us a PG, right?

    If that's so, isn't Pax also responsible for signing Kevin Ollie to that stupid deal, and getting J. R. Bremer, also PGs?

    Thing is, in effect, he's basically traded Andre Miller for McInnis and Boumjte-Boumjte. That is a horrible, horrible deal. (In case you forgot, Andre was sent for Darius.) What a disgusting series of moves. I know they weren't going to give Andre the max deal he wanted (he said it when he was still here), but that is just a bad move compounded.

    Seems to me the one thing Pax gets credit for is moving Shawn Kemp and his big fat contract. OK, but that's just one thing.

    Somebody give me a reason to trust this clown!</div>

    Miles had high expectations when he was aquired. He was looked at as a future stud for the Cavs. Basketball is all about taking risks. McInnis isn't a bad player. Sure enough Miller has developed to be a great pointguard, but that always seems to happen to players we let lose. Some names come to mind as Kevin Johnson, Terrell Brandon, Jim Jackson, Ron Harper, and Matt Harpring. They all had better years after leaving Cleveland. It's not the players that we are losing it was the poor system the Cavs had. Coaching staff, fans, ect ect. I feel all those aspects have improved since those years of having those players and things should get better within the next couple of years.
     
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    I believe Brandon had awesome years here.

    But basketball is a game where you have to gamble. The Clippers did offer up Odom first, who was in a lot of trouble at that time, we rejected and demanded Miles, who appeared to have a limitless potential.

    Let's remember, Miles was a role player people.

    I miss Andre and he will be one of my favorite players no matter what.

    We were in a bad situation and we took a gamble, sometimes you have to.
     

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