<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Annika Sorenstam finish in something like 87th place, lol. She's one of the best female golfers in the world, but isn't even good enough to make it into the top 50 male golfers just in that one tournament. Fact of the matter is most men in the PGA can hit the ball harder and longer than even the best women golfers.</div> she didn't make the cut, yes, but only by four strokes. plenty of pga players didn't make the cut with her. she was playing under a lot of pressure, with cameras following her, a huge debate over whether or not she should be there, etc. i can't imagine it was anything but extremely difficult for her to perform under those circumstances, even though she is the best female golf player, possibly all time. a lot of people who follow golf a lot more than i do were impressed by her performance. look, girls just doesn't play sports in the same numbers and with the same intensity that boys do. as society changes, and being athletic stops being seen as "non-feminine", more girls will play and we'll get to a point where women can compete with men in certain things, obviously not in strenght, but in skills.
I don't buy that 'how can a guy guard a girl' argument. It is an issue, but the size difference is more of an issue. Even the top women ballers, Lisa Leslie, Chamique Holdsclaw, and some of the other ballers, can't compete in the NBA because of size. These top women are used to posting up and shooting over their opponents, or using a combination of size and strength. That won't work in the NBA. Leslie, one of the largest women in the WNBA, would be undersized at the 2 guard spot, let alone either forward spot. The only WNBA woman who is big enough to play her respective position in the NBA is Margo Dydek, who's 7'2". But how long can her relatively frail build(by men's standards) hold up to the regular low post banging in the L? No one has argued effectively how women can hold their own against men. Anyone who says that a woman could pull off what Boykins and Claxton do is seriously underestimating them. Boykins can bench press more than most power forwards in the league? Could many women do that(other than the one in Big Nasty's picture)?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Lisa Leslie would kill Andrew Declerq, so that statement about best WNBA not beating the best NBA isn't true.</div>Sounds to me like an insenuation that Andrew Declerq is one of the NBA's best. You're joking right? I think KG vs. Leslie a more accurrate comparison if you wanna put up the best of the NBA against the best of the WNBA. Still think Leslie would come out on top?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">Sounds to me like an insenuation that Andrew Declerq is one of the NBA's best. You're joking right? </div> I think that was a typo by sportsrock, because they were talking about the nba's worst....but I think declerq would destroy lesile (no disrespect to her) for the same reasons starman mentioned, the major size, strength, athelticism and speed difference. also remember, the WNBA uses smaller balls, which increases their fg%. btw, i don't think boykins can bench a pf....I heard in pre-draft workouts that T.J. Ford couldn't bench 170 lbs, and NICK COLLISON could only do it a couple of times!!! damn, those guys are weak...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't buy that 'how can a guy guard a girl' argument. It is an issue, but the size difference is more of an issue. Even the top women ballers, Lisa Leslie, Chamique Holdsclaw, and some of the other ballers, can't compete in the NBA because of size. These top women are used to posting up and shooting over their opponents, or using a combination of size and strength. That won't work in the NBA.</div> This is really what it comes down to. Let's cut out the Anika comparisons. Apples and oranges. Most male golfers can't bench press 170, so golfers and basketball players should never be in the same sentance. Bowling, Golfing, Archery, Billiards: Co-Ed all you want. Contact physical sports (especially basketball since it relies on athletic ability so much) stay apart..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">btw, i don't think boykins can bench a pf</div> He can. I didn't say he could bench a powerforward, I said he could bench more than some power forwards, which is more impressive. When in Golden State, Antawn Jamison, who has played power forward plenty in the NBA, said that sometimes he was embarrassed to lift next to Earl because Earl could outbench him. And apparently Boykins was one of the top 4 or 5 lifters on that team, which included beefcakes like Adonal Foyle, Erick Dampier and Danny Fortson. So pretty much everyone else was outlifted by him. But that wasn't really my point. It's not just the strength, its the explosive ability to move on the court. The player who is comparable is a Sue Bird, someone who really moves with the ball and is super-skilled as a point. But even she(at 5'9" she's four inches taller than Boykins and an inch shorter than Ford and Claxton) would only cut it as a third string point on a bad team in the NBA, if that. And I highly respect Sue's game, so I wouldn't sell her short.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">He can. I didn't say he could bench a powerforward, I said he could bench more than some power forwards, which is more impressive. </div> Your right, i misread it, my bad ...
I was watching NBA INside Stuff about 7 years ago (1997) when I thought Ahmad Rashad said (I didn't understand English clearly at the time) that two women (Leslie and Lobo) are joining the NBA as the first ever women in the L. I was shocked and disappointed to be honest with the news because as physical as women can be and as hard as men should play women, men's heart and conscience will keep telling them not to knock women down to the floor or commit some other hard fouls. I think as a result, men would not be able to focus their mind into the game as much...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Your right, i misread it, my bad ...</div> No problem bro. As I said, that wasn't even the real gist of my argument. I just don't think that in any contact/power sport, such as bball, football, hockey, soccer, and I guess baseball(almost a power sport), women aren't physically equipped to compete. There may be the occasional high school girl who competes in men's sports, but that's the last time that girls are big enough and strong enough to compete with top level male athletes. For you females out there, I'm not saying that no woman could ever compete with any guy. I'll admit that I've been beat by my share of women in basketball, but then again I'm nowhere near a top level male athlete(I'm not even 6 feet). Just a disclaimer against the 'sexist pig' comeback.
Man, you guys need to stop posting on this thread...everytime I click on the thread, the first post I see is Big Nasty's post...ughhh Hopefully, it'll get to page 4 soon
Andrew DeClercq would beat Lisa Leslie, come on now. I still can't believe how some kids think that just because you don't have good stats in the NBA that you suck. Every NBA player was a star in high school, were solid college players, and you can't last in the NBA "sucking" (I know a few of you can nitpick that, but get the point) The NBA game has changed, it's more physical, it's about aggression, athletic ability. These are reasons why a woman could not stick around. This is not golf.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting femalehooper:</div><div class="quote_post">being a woman on the site i have a different view on things. I feel if they are good enough to play against the men then why not! You guys and a lot of other people don't want to see it cuz its not the "norm". It would take the guys who play out of their comfort zone. Society gets used to seeing certain things one way and they dont like t o change. I think its great that women are competing in the PGA. The men dont like it cuz they are doing better than them. If she played and came in dead last it wouldnt be a problem. Guys dont like to get beat by women. I have dealt with this stuff my whole life...u know going to the basketball courts and being the only woman there...guys looking at you like you are crazy for asking who had next game! then no one wants to gaurd ya....im 6'1....got some guy who is 5'5 guarding me...just cuz they dont think cuz your a woman u cant play. I think yeah if a woman is good enough to play in the NBA then why not! It is a sexist world out there!</div> I just think your assessment was made because you're pissed that guys here sounded as if we dissed the women although we have numerously insisted we're not like that. But, that's fine we can let all the W players come into the NBA, skill wise they could hold their own against guys, even beat some of them, but physical wise? My picture of women playing in the L is this, HONESTLY: First, they would get outmatched, outrun, outjumped, out-poisitioned, and out-boxed, out-trashtalked, and even out-smiled... here and there in between they would get some open shots and lay-ups but often they couldn't even dribble because the bruce bowens or the ron artests are guarding them with those long arms and they start to pass the ball as soon as they get it, the coach's patience is wearing thin and he starts to bench them from starters to the 6th men... even being the six man is no safe position since 5 other bench guys also want that position... they start to slid and slid and slid until they're eventually waived and back to the WNBA again. But I wouldn't say I'm sexist since I don't believe I could put more than 2 ppg in WNBA (and I can at least dribble and shoot)... they play pretty physical out there, but not enough to play in the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">I just think your assessment was made because you're pissed that guys here sounded as if we dissed the women although we have numerously insisted we're not like that. But, that's fine we can let all the W players come into the NBA, skill wise they could hold their own against guys, even beat some of them, but physical wise? My picture of women playing in the L is this, HONESTLY: First, they would get outmatched, outrun, outjumped, out-poisitioned, and out-boxed, out-trashtalked, and even out-smiled... here and there in between they would get some open shots and lay-ups but often they couldn't even dribble because the bruce bowens or the ron artests are guarding them with those long arms and they start to pass the ball as soon as they get it, the coach's patience is wearing thin and he starts to bench them from starters to the 6th men... even being the six man is no safe position since 5 other bench guys also want that position... they start to slid and slid and slid until they're eventually waived and back to the WNBA again. But I wouldn't say I'm sexist since I don't believe I could put more than 2 ppg in WNBA (and I can at least dribble and shoot)... they play pretty physical out there, but not enough to play in the NBA.</div> All i was saying is that IF a woman had that kind of skill and could play with the guys in the NBA why not??? you guys are all against it because u dont want to see women out there playing against men...shooting on them..blocking them and d-ing them up! i mean im saying IMO it is possible for some women to play with the men in the NBA...most of the posts on here are saying its not possible and even if it was they wouldnt want them in there....thats why im saying its a sexist world!
I think Cheryl Miller in her prime and Diana Tarausi could outplay some men in the NBA. Cynthia Cooper is obviously a better free throw shooter than say, Shaq or Bruce Bowen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting femalehooper:</div><div class="quote_post">All i was saying is that IF a woman had that kind of skill and could play with the guys in the NBA why not??? you guys are all against it because u dont want to see women out there playing against men...shooting on them..blocking them and d-ing them up! i mean im saying IMO it is possible for some women to play with the men in the NBA...most of the posts on here are saying its not possible and even if it was they wouldnt want them in there....thats why im saying its a sexist world!</div> No, that's not what I'm saying at all, and I haven't gotten that impression from most other posts either. I'm saying that it is impossible for women to compete in the NBA. But, by some crazy freak chance that there's a woman who's 6'7", 225 pounds and is as fast and explosive as a man, then I have no problem with her playing. Same if she's a lightning quick point who can hold her own, or if she's a hulk who can bang in the paint. My point, my main point, is that that's not gonna happen. It's not that I think that men are superior to women in all regards, or anything like that. But genetically, men are bigger and stronger than women. If you're talking about rec leagues or hs ball, that's one thing. But I'm talking about the NBA. And I doubt that there will ever be a woman who can hold her own in the NBA, at least long enough to get off of 10 day contracts or anything like that.
hey....stranger things have happened! i think it is possible these days for anything to happen! BUt i know for a fact IF it was to happen guys would throw a fit about it! Fans and players both! Just like the in the PGA!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting femalehooper:</div><div class="quote_post">hey....stranger things have happened! i think it is possible these days for anything to happen! BUt i know for a fact IF it was to happen guys would throw a fit about it! Fans and players both! Just like the in the PGA!</div> Well, we shouldn't dwell on if's. The facts indicate that it probably won't happen, so there's no reason to get worked up about it. It's like a man getting upset that he can't give birth. It isn't gonna happen, so its not worth worrying about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">He can. I didn't say he could bench a powerforward, I said he could bench more than some power forwards, which is more impressive. </div> lol, i think he could definitely bench a powerforward. what's your average powerforward weighs anyway? 220 to 240 pounds? now, benching yao or shaq, that would be impressive.
no one is throwing a fit about it.....topic was should women be able to play in the nba...my point was IF they are good enough why not!
