I think starman85 made a point, although you deny that pot will not affect your performance, it will. Although you try your best to smoke and put your focus on doing sth, believe me nobody can focus on anything as good as before he or she smokes weed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">I fail to see how a guy sitting at home getting high is jeopardizing the image of the NBA. I know they get paid to play, not smoke pot. It's not like they're taking themselvesout of a game to go get high. I'm talking about what a guy does at home on his own time. How is a little kid gonna see a player smoking pot? Come on man. You hear about guys in all sports getting busted for drugs, you ever see one doing them? The only way anyone would know if a certain player smoked weed is by testing him. If the player came to work smelling of or exhibiting obvious signs of drug use, test him and deal with it. But if he's coming to work, doing his job, staying out of trouble, why penalize him for what he does on his own time? </div> I agree with you what they do on their own time is their business as long as they arent coming to games and practices high i dont see a problem with it! I feel the same way about drug screens in the workplace i dont see the point unless you going to work under the influence! What does it matter what they do on their time?
I think it's a whole ethics thing...As an employer, you are looking for empolyees who conduct business ethically...the employer is accountable for what the emplyee does in the work place. They can get in big trouble if one of the employees commits a business crime of some sort (as we all saw happen to Enron). Now, to the issue to weed and other illegal substances, the employers' view is that if a person is willing to practice illegal activity outside of the work place, there is a good chance they aren't afraid conduct illegal (business) activities within a working environemnt...that can jepordize the company in the form of lawsuits, or it can give them a bad reputation....that is why they try to keep their employees in line... Ask yourself this, would you trust someone unethical (like a pothead) with your business and your money?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post">Who are you to say that Rasheed is at the top of his game? That's all I'm trying to say. The guy has some nice numbers, but who's to say that they wouldn't be higher if he didn't do pot? I know from experience with people that pot smokers are often less successful than non-smokers. With this being the case, I can only assume that the same is true for NBA players.</div>I'm not saying he's at the top of his game, but he is widely regarded as one of the best at his position. That's enough to render your guys' arguments invalid. I never said he couldn't do better, but he sure isn't lacking. I know many successful people who smoke out, it ain't nothing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting femalehooper:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with you what they do on their own time is their business as long as they arent coming to games and practices high i dont see a problem with it! I feel the same way about drug screens in the workplace i dont see the point unless you going to work under the influence! What does it matter what they do on their time?</div>Nice, somebody feels me <div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I think it's a whole ethics thing...As an employer, you are looking for empolyees who conduct business ethically...the employer is accountable for what the emplyee does in the work place. They can get in big trouble if one of the employees commits a business crime of some sort (as we all saw happen to Enron). Now, to the issue to weed and other illegal substances, the employers' view is that if a person is willing to practice illegal activity outside of the work place, there is a good chance they aren't afraid to do so within a working environemnt...that can jepordize the company in the form of lawsuits, or it can give them a bad reputation....that is why they try to keep their employees in line... Ask yourself this, would you trust someone unethical (like a pothead) with your business?</div>A pothead is someone who has to have weed to function, not someone who goes home and blazes to relax, get his mind off of things. There are other ways to relax, have fun, these guys could go out and drink. We all know how badly alcohol impairs one's judgement, which is why there are so many drunk driving related deaths. So speakings from an employers perspective, would I rather have my people going out and risking thier life and the lives of others by going out to a bar and drinking then driving home or would I rather them be at home, kicking back, smoking a joint? That's a no brainer. You wanna get high, no problem. Just don't come to work under the influence and we won't have a problem.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice, somebody feels me A pothead is someone who has to have weed to function, not someone who goes home and blazes to relax, get his mind off of things. There are other ways to relax, have fun, these guys could go out and drink. We all know how badly alcohol impairs one's judgement, which is why there are so many drunk driving related deaths. So speakings from an employers perspective, would I rather have my people going out and risking thier life and the lives of others by going out to a bar and drinking then driving home or would I rather them be at home, kicking back, smoking a joint? That's a no brainer. You wanna get high, no problem. Just don't come to work under the influence and we won't have a problem.</div> The question I posed was for people who are willing to participate in unethical behavior, not specifically for potheads, I just used them as an example...What makes weed more unethical than alcohol? the fact that it's illegal...that's it... My point was that if an employee is willing to participate in illegal behavior at home, then it is highly probable that they won't be afraid to do something illegal at the work place (i.e. steal things, lie etc etc). People who tend to follow rules and laws at home are more likely to do so at the workplace... a follower is a follower, a rebel is a rebel....
I ain't gonna lie. I blaze. I smoke weed,does that make me a bad person? Unethical? I don't smoke weed at work nor do I smoke weed anywhere other than my on home.....Just because ya smoke weed doesn't lesson the type of person ya are. If someone likes to drink beer does it make 'em a bad person? Some ya'll cats need to get your head out of the clouds..there is alot more that needs to be focused on other than weed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I ain't gonna lie. I blaze. I smoke weed,does that make me a bad person? Unethical? I don't smoke weed at work nor do I smoke weed anywhere other than my on home.....Just because ya smoke weed doesn't lesson the type of person ya are. If someone likes to drink beer does it make 'em a bad person? Some ya'll cats need to get your head out of the clouds..there is alot more that needs to be focused on other than weed.</div> That is such a silly thing to say. Of course you aren't very afraid to admit that you smoke weed.....on the internet. I remember you once saying that you have a daughter, now you say that the only place you smoke is on your own home. Smart. Kids are more impressionable than you know, not to mention the aspect of second-hand smoke. Oh wait, let me guess, you would never smoke near your daughter right? Well, she'll discover it someday, even if it's just because she asked you if you ever tried drugs. She'll be disappointed to know that her dad did that, yet you will probably tell her that drugs are bad right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">That is such a silly thing to say. Of course you aren't very afraid to admit that you smoke weed.....on the internet. I remember you once saying that you have a daughter, now you say that the only place you smoke is on your own home. Smart. Kids are more impressionable than you know, not to mention the aspect of second-hand smoke. Oh wait, let me guess, you would never smoke near your daughter right? Well, she'll discover it someday, even if it's just because she asked you if you ever tried drugs. She'll be disappointed to know that her dad did that, yet you will probably tell her that drugs are bad right?</div> It's a choice. Weed is no worse than drinkin' alcohol and gettin' drunk. Ever heard the sayin' never judge another person until you've walked a mile in they shoes? It applies right here. Yes,I have a daughter...do I smoke weed in front of her? No,I don't nor would I. Do I smoke weed all the time and everyday? No I don't. But regardless because someone smokes weed it doesn't make them a bad person nor does it give you a right to judge them. The fact is their are alot of worse things on this earth than weed. It is very very hypocritical for alcohol to be legal and weed illegal,there needs to be parity. If one is bad so is the other. Fact is,you don't know me nor do you have the right to judge me. You said you wanted to be an attorney? Well it doesn't lend anymore creedence to your opinions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I ain't gonna lie. I blaze. I smoke weed,does that make me a bad person? Unethical? I don't smoke weed at work nor do I smoke weed anywhere other than my on home.....Just because ya smoke weed doesn't lesson the type of person ya are. If someone likes to drink beer does it make 'em a bad person? Some ya'll cats need to get your head out of the clouds..there is alot more that needs to be focused on other than weed.</div> I have a lot of friends who use illegal substances, and most of them are good people so I get what you're saying...I'm just trying to show the employers point of view...When I say "unethical," I don't mean bad person...I mean someone who is willing to rebel against set rules...Sometimes, good people break rules because they feel that it is unjust...Like Thoreau said, "?shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once.? Transgressions was his method. MY point through the who thing is that employers want someone who they can more or less "control"...People who don't follow societal rules all the time are more likely to be rebellious at the work place also...why do you think they ask on job applications whether you've had any felonies before?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I have a lot of friends who use illegal substances, and most of them are good people so I get what you're saying...I'm just trying to show the employers point of view...When I say "unethical," I don't mean bad person...I mean someone who is willing to rebel against set rules...Sometimes, good people break rules because they feel that it is unjust...Like Thoreau said, "?shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once.? Transgressions was his method. MY point through the who thing is that employers want someone who they can more or less "control"...People who don't follow societal rules all the time are more likely to be rebellious at the work place also...why do you think they ask on job applications whether you've had any felonies before?</div> well,IMO,there is a difference in rebellious and criminal. Just because you're a rebellious type of person doesn't mean you are a felon or vice versa. My point is that just because you smoke weed at home doesn't necessarily lend creedence to the type of person you are or the type of worker you are. Just because I like to smoke weed everynow and again no more makes me a bad worker,nor does it reflect on the type of person I am. Just because Lamar Odom likes to fire it up every once in awhile doesn't make him a bad person or a bad basketball player. I highly doubt he's smokin' a j in the locker room or on the sidelines or at practice. I think too much is made of the 'weed' policy.....it's ridiculous sometimes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">It's a choice. Weed is no worse than drinkin' alcohol and gettin' drunk. Ever heard the sayin' never judge another person until you've walked a mile in they shoes? It applies right here.</div> Wow. Pardon me for judging you before knowing you. I sure there is some really DEEP and PHILOSOPHICAL story that explains why you smoke weed. Or maybe you just do it because you like to get high, plain and simple. Don't play games with me. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes,I have a daughter...do I smoke weed in front of her? No,I don't nor would I. Do I smoke weed all the time and everyday? No I don't. But regardless because someone smokes weed it doesn't make them a bad person nor does it give you a right to judge them.</div>Congrats on not smoking in front of your daughter, you must be a really great guy. I never said that you smoke it all the time, but really, how old are you? There is a certain point where a MAN needs to leave his teenage years and start acting like an adult. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact is their are alot of worse things on this earth than weed. It is very very hypocritical for alcohol to be legal and weed illegal,there needs to be parity. If one is bad so is the other.</div>Who cares if there are things worse than weed. That is a very stupid thing to say and does not justify your smoking. I think I'll spare you the analogy as you wouldn't understand it anyway. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Fact is,you don't know me nor do you have the right to judge me. You said you wanted to be an attorney? Well it doesn't lend anymore creedence to your opinions.</div>Darn, and I was really hoping to impress some law schools with my opinions here at JBB. Somehow I doubt that message board credibility will affect my law school admissions, but thanks for the concern.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. Pardon me for judging you before knowing you. I sure there is some really DEEP and PHILOSOPHICAL story that explains why you smoke weed. Or maybe you just do it because you like to get high, plain and simple. Don't play games with me. Congrats on not smoking in front of your daughter, you must be a really great guy. I never said that you smoke it all the time, but really, how old are you? There is a certain point where a MAN needs to leave his teenage years and start acting like an adult. Who cares if there are things worse than weed. That is a very stupid thing to say and does not justify your smoking. I think I'll spare you the analogy as you wouldn't understand it anyway. Darn, and I was really hoping to impress some law schools with my opinions here at JBB. Somehow I doubt that message board credibility will affect my law school admissions, but thanks for the concern.</div> First off TB,get off your soapbox and get your head out of the clouds..you aren't talkin' to a 14 year old. So you judge me on the sole basis that I smoke weed? Does that mean that by reading your posts and the things you say to others and the way you act(even though i have never met you)that I can come to the conclusion that you are an @$$hole? No. I may not agree with the things you say or how you talk down to people,but that gives me no right to judge you in anyway. From what you're saying...I smoke weed and because it's deemed illegal by our all knowing government,it makes me bad and immature. But Joe Schmo can drink alcohol and get torn down everynight,but he isn't immature at all because it's legal? Anyway,if you are going to have a conversation with me I would appreciate it if you would talk to me and not down to me. You are no better than anyone else. But I can say one thing,I can tell you are going to be a lawyer because you already think you are better than the next guy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">First off TB,get off your soapbox and get your head out of the clouds..you aren't talkin' to a 14 year old.</div>Oh my bad. I guess I just assumed that because a lot of people who smoke weed are about 14 My head is in the clouds huh? I see no need to brag about what I have already done/am currently doing with my life (at age 19). Ironically, YOU are saying that I am the one with my head in the clouds? LOL, I love it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So you judge me on the sole basis that I smoke weed? Does that mean that by reading your posts and the things you say to others and the way you act(even though i have never met you)that I can come to the conclusion that you are an @$hole? No. I may not agree with the things you say or how you talk down to people,but that gives me no right to judge you in anyway.</div>Judge me if you want to. But make sure that it is intelligible for the rest of us. Your jargon often confuses me. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">From what you're saying...I smoke weed and because it's deemed illegal by our all knowing government,it makes me bad and immature. But Joe Schmo can drink alcohol and get torn down everynight,but he isn't immature at all because it's legal?</div>I never said that someone who drinks alcohol every night is any less worse that you. You are putting words into my mouth as a way of defending yourself. This is exactly what little kids do when they get in trouble with their parents, pointing out the fact that someone else did something worse. So now, I really can judge you because you are ACTING like a 2 year old. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Anyway,if you are going to have a conversation with me I would appreciate it if you would talk to me and not down to me. You are no better than anyone else. But I can say one thing,I can tell you are going to be a lawyer because you already think you are better than the next guy. </div>You obviously have something against lawyers. Well, I'll be the next Cochran, so there will always be haters like you. I'm not talking down to you. I don't think I'm better than you, I just feel that you are turning into a stereotype in the eyes of some of the people here, and I am trying to help you out (if you don't know what I mean by this PM me).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice, somebody feels me A pothead is someone who has to have weed to function, not someone who goes home and blazes to relax, get his mind off of things. There are other ways to relax, have fun, these guys could go out and drink. We all know how badly alcohol impairs one's judgement, which is why there are so many drunk driving related deaths. So speakings from an employers perspective, would I rather have my people going out and risking thier life and the lives of others by going out to a bar and drinking then driving home or would I rather them be at home, kicking back, smoking a joint? That's a no brainer. You wanna get high, no problem. Just don't come to work under the influence and we won't have a problem.</div> There are a lot of other ways to relax than getting high and drunk. Going back to the weed issue, why would somebody wanna put that stuff in they body anyways, knowing the long-term effects of it? So if these players wanna go and mess up they body like that, the NBA should let them go ahead. They ain't little kids who don't know right from wrong. If they know smoking's bad for them, but they still go head on and do it, then there's something wrong wit they brain. The NBA shouldn't let that be their problem. The only exception should be if they're coming to practice, or playing in a game high, cuz then they just being irresponsible.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh my bad. I guess I just assumed that because a lot of people who smoke weed are about 14 My head is in the clouds huh? I see no need to brag about what I have already done/am currently doing with my life (at age 19). Ironically, YOU are saying that I am the one with my head in the clouds? LOL, I love it. Judge me if you want to. But make sure that it is intelligible for the rest of us. Your jargon often confuses me. I never said that someone who drinks alcohol every night is any less worse that you. You are putting words into my mouth as a way of defending yourself. This is exactly what little kids do when they get in trouble with their parents, pointing out the fact that someone else did something worse. So now, I really can judge you because you are ACTING like a 2 year old. You obviously have something against lawyers. Well, I'll be the next Cochran, so there will always be haters like you. I'm not talking down to you. I don't think I'm better than you, I just feel that you are turning into a stereotype in the eyes of some of the people here, and I am trying to help you out (if you don't know what I mean by this PM me).</div> Your head is in the clouds because you seem to have a black/white view of the world that excludes all the gray areas. But you know,fine,whatever. You think I'm immature because I smoke weed,fine that's your opinion. Doesn't make a difference to me I was just trying to lend a voice to balance the conversation. But if you can judge someone only on things they say in a conversation then more power to ya pal. Just for your info,I wasn't judging you I was making a comparison. You are right,you never said anything about someone drinking. If you look at what I wrote it was in the form of a question. It wasn't a statement of fact. But there you go again,judging and putting yourself above others. You need to learn to actually 'read' what you look at. Makes things alot easier. There you go again. Talking down to someone,acting like the things you say are some type of higher intelligence. But thanks for all your 'help' it means alot. Personally I think you need to be out in the real world a little bit before you make these judgements against people. It'll make you see things abit different. But what do I know,I'm some stereotype right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactown_dyme:</div><div class="quote_post">There are a lot of other ways to relax than getting high and drunk. Going back to the weed issue, why would somebody wanna put that stuff in they body anyways, knowing the long-term effects of it? </div> That's my point. What some people (Big Nasty) are failing to realize is that the NBA punishes players for alcohol use as well. Yes the penalities are less severe, but I think we are all familiar with what Brent Barry did, lol. It's not as if the world is out to get you potsmokers. But nobody wants to watch people under the influence play sports. This thread has completely lost it's focus because some people (Big Nasty) are trying to make this into a real world issue.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Personally I think you need to be out in the real world a little bit before you make these judgements against people. It'll make you see things abit different. But what do I know,I'm some stereotype right?</div> LOL. How do you know where I am in the world? Your definition of the real world would be......? I could guess, but personal attacks are not allowed here . You are taking this too far, and actually I consider the collegiate experience part of the real world. Stop hating.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL. How do you know where I am in the world? Your definition of the real world would be......? I could guess, but personal attacks are not allowed here . You are taking this too far, and actually I consider the collegiate experience part of the real world. Stop hating.</div> Personal attack? What in the heck are you talking about? No one attacked you and I'm not hatin' on anyone. I was conversatin' with you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Personal attack? What in the heck are you talking about? No one attacked you and I'm not hatin' on anyone. I was conversatin' with you.</div> Now who isn't reading!?!?! Re-read what I said. I basically said that I was going to bite my tongue because personal attacks are not allowed. I was refraining from writing what I was thinking. Now who is the one with their head in the clouds?
