Cleveland Backcourt

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  1. SlimGoody

    SlimGoody JBB JustBBall Member

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    Do you think it's better for Lebron to move to the Shooting Guard and let Jeff run the point or do you think it's better if the Cavs let Bron run the point and Wagner run the two. Personally I think Wagner has alot of potential and if you give them time to gel as a backcourt they can become one of the best backcourts in the league.
     
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    James is best to play SG now, but were we want him eventually is the SF. Wagner is not ready to start yet as he is still shakin' off some rust.

    So this is just the best for right now.
     
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    Lebron as a SF? I don't understand why they would want to have Lebron as a SF in the future.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SlimGoody:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron as a SF? I don't understand why they would want to have Lebron as a SF in the future.</div>

    Scottie Pippen ring a bell?
     
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    Lebron as a SF, Wags as a SG and J.R. Bremer as PG, sounds small to me. Jeff Mcinnis isn't going to hang around for long right?
     
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    Bremer doesn't have what it takes to be a starting point guard in this league... Maybe in the draft, Cleveland can pick up somebody.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting franchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron as a SF, Wags as a SG and J.R. Bremer as PG, sounds small to me. Jeff Mcinnis isn't going to hang around for long right?</div>

    Bremer? He won't stick around long, he has been terrible here, which is why he never plays.

    The SF spot is the best for James because he can still create plays by being a point forward, yet still run the floor to get some transition baskets.

    We can get a better pure shooter than James to play the 2 guard. The Cavs have lacked outside shooting which is why they are forced to play James at the 2.

    I'm not worried about this year, we are talking more next few years anyway.
     
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    If Wagner has more passing ability, I'd be content to start Kedrick/Kapono (Pure shooter?) and Dajuan in the backcourt and Lebron at SF. However, if Dajuan still refuses to dish, it won't be that bad with him playing the role of what Ron Harper played in Chicago.
     
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    I have no problem with Wagner's current role and the spark plug off the bench, that is if we don't get a bigger starting PG that would allow us to put Wagner there.

    And James is actually one of the bigger players in the league. He toys with guards and SF's.
     
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    I think it should be Jeff at 1, Wagner at 2 after he gets more into it from his sergury, Bron at 3, Booz at 4, and Z at 5.
     
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    Current lineup is fine the way it is. McInnis running point, LeBron at the 2. He will eventually be moved to SF b/c of his size and rebounding abilities. Also, SF is also considered a playmaking position, and what do you know... LeBron creates plays.
     
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    I thing that LeBron is better on Shoting Guard. Jeff should play on PG. And Z on C, Boozer on PF and on SF should play Eric Williams. Dajuan Wagner is great 6th Man. That is what Eric Williams says about Wagner after winning game with Heat : "He's capable of coming off the bench and scoring a quick 20 points. We want him to get his confidence back because we know we're going to need him". If he score 20 points, and 20 points will score LeBron, Cavs are winners [​IMG]
     
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    Eric Williams is a free agent after the season, just letting you guys know that.
     
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    Im pretty sure he will be resigned.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr_Infante:</div><div class="quote_post">Im pretty sure he will be resigned.</div>

    Well I sure hope so, I want him to retire as a Cavalier, that show you how much I love his game.

    But Eric will have some mad attention from contenders, I am sure if the Lakers, Kings, Mavs, or Spurs come calling, he will listen.
     
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    I'm gonna go against the consensus here and say that LeBron is, and should always be the PG for this team. He's a better play maker than almost any other guard in the league already, he sees the floor inexplicably well - much as I hate to say it - like Magic did. Two's and three's are a dime-a-dozen in the NBA, when you have dynamic point guard with the floor vision of a LeBron James, I don't see why you would tamper with it by moving him around. Though Silas believes that he's a two, Austin Carr does not agree. I'm sure most of you have either seen Austin play, or have heard the stories as Cavs fans, but he was one of the best shooters to play the game.

    After hearing him talk about LeBron today on a local sports radio station, I feel even stronger about him staying at the point. He noted that LeBron tends to stand much too often when he doesn't have the ball, that if he's going to eventually make the move to a full-time SG, he'll need a lot of work on learning how to move without the ball. Austin feels that LeBron is much too talented with the ball to take it out of his hands. I completely agree with his assessment, this is a special player, obviously, but he sees the floor so well that to me, he has to be the quarterback of this team. Who could imagine Magic at the three spot? It would have been wasted talent. I understand the argument from a logical basketball standpoint, and would likely agree 99% of the time. But when talking about LeBron, I wouldn't change anything. The only thing that might change my mind is LeBron's potential growth - height that is. If he ends up growing to 6'10'', he might have to move to the wing, but that's about the only reason I would do anything.
     
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    James is a much better athlete/scorer/finisher than Magic though, that is why the swing position is better IMO. He can still set up the offense, still run the floor and find someone else for a finish, or just finish it himself.
     
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    I agree that he may be more a scorer than Magic was, but Magic was a great athlete and finisher as well. Maybe it's more of a wait and see situation with LeBron, the Cavs probably want to lessen the load on him for now and let him concentrate a little more on getting to the boards and working on his all-around game. I like him at the point, though if he begins to thrive at the two, or three eventually, so be it. As long as the team is winning, I'm assuming things will stay the way they are. No matter where he ends up, he's going to be a dominant force.
     
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    I like him on the Point, but the fact is, he can't play the point and Cavs can't win with him at point so I think that we have to keep LeBron on the 2 and let him post up guys who aren't as tall or strong as him.
     
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    This a good debate, and there have been many theories on why Lebron should play the point, shooting guard, and small forward position. The most convincing explanation I hear and agree with is Magic Johnson's. He believes the best place to play LeBron is at small forward. His arguement was LeBron could still be the playmaker at SF, without the responsibility of controlling the pace of the game and bringing the ball up. LeBron's ability to pass off the dribble causes a lot of indecisiveness on a defense, and sets up other players for easy baskets. To expand on Magic's view, I think it would be easier for the Cavs to build around LeBron if he played the small forward position. The role of the shooting guard should be to spread out a defense and spot up for shots created by LeBron. It will be harder to find a small forward who can hit jumpers, than it will be to find a traditional shooting guard.

    Playing LeBron at PG will also take away from his rebounding opportunities on both ends of the court. The reason Magic was able to grab boards was his post up game. LeBron has not developed one yet, so playing the point would keep him further outside than if he were to play the small forward position.

    Also I like the idea of the rivalries it could create in the East. LeBron at the small forward spot would allow him to play against McGrady, Vince, Pierce, and Artest.
     

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