Elton Brand Snubbed.

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  1. Mamba

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    Elton Brand did not make the all star game once again, but Andrei Kirilenko did. Elton Brand is better than Andrei, he should be in this game, posts your thoughts.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Q Rich3:</div><div class="quote_post">Elton Brand did not make the all star game once again, but Andrei Kirilenko did. Elton Brand is better than Andrei, he should be in this game, posts your thoughts.</div>

    I like AK47, he's a good player. He simply made the All-Star game. I like Brand better, but it's just that. Give him a break, he made it, Brand is such a great player especially of this season.

    I too would rather have Brand, and Randolph too. It's really difficult to choose from the plethora of players. Afterall a great player like Magloire made it, it's just by choice. He can't help it since it was a coache's choosing. Hopefully he and Randolph will make the next one. They certainly are very deserving. Good break for AK47, I don't like Dirk though.
     
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    Elton Brand should have made it, not Kirilenko, bottom line. Elton Brand has been putting up 20/10 games all season, and in the FIRST game he played he had 8 blocks...

    And seen how AK47 handles himself against the likes of Tim Duncan in the Jazz's last two games? He only had 10 points both times, and under 10 boards, too. Terribly ineffective. I don't like that, at all.
     
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    I think it really was Brand > AK47 > Dirk, but I can see why Andrei made it over Elton with all the Jazz' success. I really am upset about Dirk making it over Brand though, I didn't think he would make the team. Wouldn't have minded it if Zach would have made it instead of Dirk, he deserves it too.
     
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    It's a joke. Now I don't even want to watch the game. Whoever voted Nowitzki onto the team instead of Brand is an idiot.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting OgShowtime:</div><div class="quote_post">It's a joke. Now I don't even want to watch the game. Whoever voted Nowitzki onto the team instead of Brand is an idiot.</div>

    I guess there are quite a few coaches in the NBA who are idiots then
     
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    Kirilenko over Brand is a given. People may hang me for this but Kirilenko is a better player than Brand defensively getting you steals and blocks. He also rebounds 7.5 a game and scores about 19-20 per as well. Add in the fact that his team is doing better and its a given.

    But I agee that Brand should have went over Nowitzki for sure. No doubt in my mind about that. I think the allstars think they should have at least one player on the Dallas team but I don't agree with that.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Kirilenko over Brand is a given. People may hang me for this but Kirilenko is a better player than Brand defensively getting you steals and blocks. He also rebounds 7.5 a game and scores about 19-20 per as well. Add in the fact that his team is doing better and its a given.

    But I agee that Brand should have went over Nowitzki for sure. No doubt in my mind about that. I think the allstars think they should have at least one player on the Dallas team but I don't agree with that.</div>

    I'm not going to hang you for it, but I'm going to disagree with you on a couple of points: Brand averages 2.4 bpg, Kirilenko 2.8, little difference there. The only category in which Brand does not compare to Kirilenko is steals: .79 to 2.11. When it comes to rebounding there's no comparison, Brand averages 12.0 per game, Kirilenko 7.8 - Brand also ranks top five in FG% at .527.

    Overall, I don't have a problem with Kirilenko making the game. His team is doing slightly better (2 games), and Kirilenko is a great defensive player.
    I still think Brand goes before Kirilenko, but hey, whatever...Looking at overall numbers Brand is better than both Kirilenko and Nowitzki this year, and anybody who doesn't see him play on a game to game basis probably wouldn't see how great of a player he is. That includes the "idiot" coaches that I've pointed to, other than maybe Phil Jackson and Jerry Sloan, I have very little respect for many coaches in this league. I like Flip Saunders, Larry Brown and a couple of others, but I have no idea how any coach who knows the game could leave a player like Elton Brand off of an all-star roster. Bottom Line.

    I said idiots, and that's exactly what I meant. Whoever that group includes I would love to know. I'm pissed, because there's no way to explain why Elton Brand is not an all-star this year. What does this guy have to do??? The all-star game is a farce to me when the fan voting seems to be more accurate than the coaches. I'm done with the whole thing, I don't care anymore. It'll be very interesting to see how long a player can average 20, 12, 4 and 2 before he starts getting some recognition.
     
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    AK47 over Brand is simply just a joke. This is the worst decision by far this year. You have to watch Elton Brand to see how great of a player he is. He does so much for the Clippers and will do anything to win, and it shows as he's #3 in EFF in the league behind KG and Duncan. He has had the big games, and clutch baskets when the Clippers needed them down the stretch to prove it, bad call Flip.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">

    And seen how AK47 handles himself against the likes of Tim Duncan in the Jazz's last two games? He only had 10 points both times, and under 10 boards, too. Terribly ineffective. I don't like that, at all.</div>

    Do you expect anyone to put up good stats when they're going up against Tim Duncan? In those games, all the Jazz were ineffective, and that's because the Spurs own the Jazz. They are on a 16 game winning streak against them.
    As for Elton Brand, he should of got in. However they're are a lot of players who should of got in. But Elton Brand deserved it more than them, he does everything, and fills up a stat sheet quickly. I don't see why the coaches don't think he's good enough to be an all star, I thought they'd appreciate someone of his work ethic.
    AK47 is a deserving all star though, but does he deserve it more than Elton Brand?, statistically no. But when you compare records and lineups, that would be a big reason off why Brand isn't an all star. The Jazz are a .500 team without Harpring, and they were expected to be a team that struggles to win more than 20 at the start of the season. The 2 most important people to them are Jerry Sloan and AK47, and the coaches couldn't vote Jerry in and thought AK47 was a good enough pick and was vital to Utah's success. Brand on the other hand has a better lineup, and a worse record. He's playing well by himself, but if he is going to be an all star, he has to prove he can lead a team to a winning record. Especially with all the talent on the Clippers. The same goes for Zach Randolph, who's Blazers aren't doing aswell as they could.
     
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    That's why Paul Pierce is there, right? They're not over 500 right now, and they're not going to end the season over 500, yet the coaches voted him in as a reserve. Well?

    Elton Brand has put up All Star numbers year in and year out, while Andrei Kirilenko is just starting to have a breakout season. Elton Brand was there before, but no one wants to put him back in? Who ever heard of AK47 before his year, really?

    I can understand Randolph being snubbed. He only plays on one end of the floor, anyway.

    As for doing well against Duncan, All Stars always find a way to score, no matter who's guarding them. Showing that he could be locked down by a defender is showing qualities that are un All Star like. Elton Brand, Dirk and Malone would score on Duncan. Sure, it'd be harder, but they'd still at least make their 20 points. Seeing how Kirilenko couldn't do that, I don't think he deserves to be there over Brand at all.
     
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    I also think Brand should be there. How can you not send someone from L.A to the All-Star game WHEN THEY PLAY IN L.A!!!! Do you think the NBA should do the All-Star game like MLB where every team has to be represented?
     
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    thats B/S .. AK47 I like him..but Over Brand??????? no way...Dirk is acceptable..but ill still choose Zach over him too I'll have Brand/Zach or Brand/Dirk but no Brand?? just stupid.
     
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    ak-47 has surprised everyone by having the Jazz as a good team this year, better than most expected. I think shaq shouldnt be in it because he was hurt for so long.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CANT STOP ME:</div><div class="quote_post">I think shaq shouldnt be in it because he was hurt for so long.</div>Please be consistent in your statements. If you are going to say that about Shaq, you should at least say the same thing about Ray Allen.
     
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    lol there is like 6 posts all around JBB that talks about AK47 Brand and Zach mix..and uh shaq not in? He is the most dominant player eveer ...IMO.
     
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    fine then ill say allen and shaq should not be in the all star game
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post">lol there is like 6 posts all around JBB that talks about AK47 Brand and Zach mix..and uh shaq not in? He is the most dominant player eveer ...IMO.</div>
    Yeah, I don't see how Shaq could not be in the game.

    If we look around the league it's clear that at least one of the arguable best people at every position is in the ASG.

    PG: Kidd
    SG: Kobe/Tmac/AI
    SF: KG
    PF: Duncan
    C: Shaq

    ****Disclaimer****

    For all the Vince groupies who are wondering why I did not put VC on the above list as one of the the best sfs, there is a simple reason why: because he doesn't belong there.
     
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    ouch , low one for raptors fan lol.
     
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    Elton Brand's stats vs. San Antonio = 22 pts. 13 reb. 3 ast. 4 blks. 3 stls.
    vs. LA Lakers = 30 pts. 15 reb. 6 ast. 5 blks.
    vs. Dallas = 18 pts. 10 reb. 3 ast. 3 blks.


    It doesn't matter who he goes up against, the numbers are there every night.
     

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