...should these player's number be retired with their respective teams? If no,why not? Danny Ainge,Boston Celtics Andrew Toney,Philadelphia 76ers Charles Oakley,New York Knicks Shawn Kemp,Seattle Sonics Ron Harper,Chicago Bulls Larry Johnson,Charolette/New Orleans Hornets Michael Jordan,Washington Wizards ..now I know some of these cats played for other teams,but I'm asking regarding the teams I have listed.
Danny Ainge,Boston Celtics - No, he's not exactly on good graces with the Boston fans right now, but who knows, the Celts retire everyones jersey Andrew Toney,Philadelphia 76ers - No, I only know him from heresay, and he was alway played second-string to someone else, not big nubmers anyway, but I never seen him play so what do i know Charles Oakley,New York Knicks - Yes, i think so, Oakley left everything on the court every night...He also impitimizeed the tough attitude of the 90's Knicks... Shawn Kemp,Seattle Sonics - Yea, while he didn't play there too long, he made quite an impact, and they were the best regular season team in the NBA while he was there Ron Harper,Chicago Bulls - No, he didn't do that much...he just didn't mess up what MJ was doin.. Larry Johnson,Charolette/New Orleans Hornets - Yes, the Hornets are a young franchise, and he was one of their first great players. Michael Jordan,Washington Wizards - No, he didn't do much for the team...some even said he hurt them...
good call about MJ and wizards. MJ is a legend to me and always will be but he kinda destroyed the magic he had when he played for the Bulls. When he retired he was at his top and coming back at the Wizards hurt his game. He wasnt the same. In my opinion he shouldnt have come back in da game
Danny Ainge,Boston Celtics - Andrew Toney,Philadelphia 76ers Charles Oakley,New York Knicks Shawn Kemp,Seattle Sonics Ron Harper,Chicago Bulls Larry Johnson,Charolette/New Orleans Hornets Michael Jordan,Washington Wizards -- no. not one of them will. all those people were basically role players, or people that have zero shot at making the hall of fame. kemp wasn't good long enough, same with lj. (those were the only two "stars"..).. as for michael.. michael doesnt deserve to have his jersey retired in washington, and i doubt he'd want to have it raised in washington. i dont want to remember michael in washington.
let's not forget ron harper's glory days were on the clippers, not the bulls. so if anything.. in los angeles.
let's not forget ron harper's glory days were on the clippers, not the bulls. so if anything.. in los angeles. had shawn kemp actually gone onto kentucky instead of to the nba.. he might have just improved his game in such a way that he might have been able to over come mj and the bulls w/ gp along side. but no.. skipped college, a place where he could've learned a whole lot about life. i feel bad for the guy honestly. that was a real fun team to watch. one of the best tandem's in nba history while it lasted.. so sad they had to split. good in seattle, kept it up in cleveland somehow.. then once portland came along.. he fell of the damn planet.. and he never won that nba championship w/ gp. gp will get his number retired and deserves so, not kemp. <font color="RED"><font size="1">Messages should have been posted together at the same time. No need to doube post - BN</font></font>
You guys don't think Oak should get his retired?...He was the toughest guy on one of the toughest teams... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post"> but no.. skipped college, a place where he could've learned a whole lot about life. </div> Kemp did go to college...He just didn't play basketball in college...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post"> but no.. skipped college, a place where he could've learned a whole lot about life. </div> Kemp did go to college...He just didn't play basketball in college...
same thing. he came into the league when he was 19-20, he should've stayed, and played. look at who the knicks have up in the rafters already..
The ugly situation regarding Shawn's departure from the Sonics will ensure his number isn't retired there. He made an impact, but never did enough anyway to earn having the number 40 put away IMO.
If Kemp stayed and continued at least one more really good season, I would've retired his number. I like him a lot, or rather I did, I think he's rather deserving, he was very capable of such amazing feats. As far as MJ goes, he was like the only hard working and good wizard. The only other one was virtually Rip Hamilton. He, Juwan and Webber certainly shouldn't be retired. As for MJ, it was too little time and too little of an impact. However with how he played, the smart basketball that he played, he's worth props and being famed for playing their at least. So old and still putting up great offensive numbers. But I agree....he shouldn't have come back....
Danny Ainge- no, he should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Larry Bird, Cousy, or Bill Russell... Andrew Toney- yes, responsible for the Sixers overcoming their struggles against the Celtics in early 80s... Charles Oakley- no, great player but not an All-Star... Shawn Kemp- maaaaybe, but pushin it...he had a good career in Seattle, but again is not among the likes of Sikma or Payton in Seattle lore... Ron Harper- you gotta be kidding me... Larry Johnson- no, not enough accomplished during his tenure there... Michael Jordan- possibly yes, only because he's Jordan but not because he brought them to the playoffs or made them contenders again
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoustonHoopa33:</div><div class="quote_post">Charles Oakley- no, great player but not an All-Star...</div> Two words: Nate McMillan. You don't have to be an All-Star to have your number retired, and Oak was the heart and soul of those tough New York teams. Retiring the number may be pushing it, but in some situations putting up the numbers is not always the main criteria.
yeah, but nate mcmillan was drafted to the sonics, and played his entire 12 year career with the sonics. something oakley doesn't have under his wing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah, but nate mcmillan was drafted to the sonics, and played his entire 12 year career with the sonics. something oakley doesn't have under his wing.</div> Oakley did play 10 seasons with the Knicks....and he was a big part of their success...
and charles oakley never went on to coach the knicks.. (thank god). mcmillan was more of a class act.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post">and charles oakley never went on to coach the knicks.. (thank god). mcmillan was more of a class act.</div> The 90's Knicks weren't about class acts...they were about tough, rugged, punishing basketball...Oakley was the heart and soul of that...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting okaforever:</div><div class="quote_post">and charles oakley never went on to coach the knicks.. (thank god). mcmillan was more of a class act.</div> You're missing my point. I'm not saying Oak deserves to have his number retired, I'm saying your reason (that he wasn't an All-Star player) isn't really a fair one, considering his role. Using Nate was just an example of that.
