<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoustonHoopa33:</div><div class="quote_post">Danny Ainge- no, he should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Larry Bird, Cousy, or Bill Russell... Andrew Toney- yes, responsible for the Sixers overcoming their struggles against the Celtics in early 80s... Charles Oakley- no, great player but not an All-Star... Shawn Kemp- maaaaybe, but pushin it...he had a good career in Seattle, but again is not among the likes of Sikma or Payton in Seattle lore... Ron Harper- you gotta be kidding me... Larry Johnson- no, not enough accomplished during his tenure there... Michael Jordan- possibly yes, only because he's Jordan but not because he brought them to the playoffs or made them contenders again</div> Why? he was a definite impact player with Chicago. He was a huge part in the second repeat.. he may not have been the Harp of old,but you can't just dismiss him as an afterthought to the team.
^ ron harper was a huge part but he's still only a role player, replace him with a tall point guard with good defense and the Bulls would still win their second three peat... MJ was great in washington (51 pts against Hornets) but his number still shouldn't be retired because he didn't play there long enough and he didn't carry Wiz to the playoffs...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">^ ron harper was a huge part but he's still only a role player, replace him with a tall point guard with good defense and the Bulls would still win their second three peat... MJ was great in washington (51 pts against Hornets) but his number still shouldn't be retired because he didn't play there long enough and he didn't carry Wiz to the playoffs...</div> ron harper was there for his knowledge and leadership more than anything. Besides,he changed his game totally when he came to Chi-town.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">You're missing my point. I'm not saying Oak deserves to have his number retired, I'm saying your reason (that he wasn't an All-Star player) isn't really a fair one, considering his role. Using Nate was just an example of that.</div> was that meant to be directed at me?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">ron harper was there for his knowledge and leadership more than anything. Besides,he changed his game totally when he came to Chi-town.</div> knowledge and leadership? he hadn't won anything before MJ came back... how should he have possessed these then? and shouldn't the team be better off go to MJ or Pip when they needed knowledge and leadership? If you told me Harp was on the Lakers for his knowledge and leadership, I'd agree with you because he had won three times with Bulls and he could show the then ringless Shaq Co how to get them... but not when he was on the Bulls because MJ had already won three without him so they didn't really need him for this purpose, just a good role player with a good defense...
Well I'm along with most people that at least Mike shouldn't have his number retired in Washington. I was so happy the way he left Chicago with the championship and the great last shot to win it all. That moment was so magical and coming back into the league with Washington only hurt his career. It made me sad to see it finally end like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fishball:</div><div class="quote_post">knowledge and leadership? he hadn't won anything before MJ came back... how should he have possessed these then? and shouldn't the team be better off go to MJ or Pip when they needed knowledge and leadership? If you told me Harp was on the Lakers for his knowledge and leadership, I'd agree with you because he had won three times with Bulls and he could show the then ringless Shaq Co how to get them... but not when he was on the Bulls because MJ had already won three without him so they didn't really need him for this purpose, just a good role player with a good defense...</div> so in order to have knowledge and leadership you have to have won somethin'? Give me a break..Ron Harper was there because of his knowledge of the game,experience and leadership it's a huge reason he was able to assimilate himself into the triangle offense like he did and be as big of a contributor as he was to that team. Ron Harper was a major piece of that puzzle for the Bulls. He ran the point ALOT and was responisble for bringin the ball up the court to initiate the offense...but back to my original point,just because you aren't on a winning team doesn't mean you ain't experienced or don't have knowledge of the game...nor does it speak to your leadership skills....to say otherwise is assinine playa..
So with harper your saying that he should have his number retired with the Lakers too, since he did bring leadership to the 2000 championship team. But with the rest, I think Kemp possibably could get #40 retired, LJ would have #2 retired with the Hornets if they stayed in Charolette, but they are trying to get rid of that image, I could see Oakley's jersey retired. Ainge probably won't get his #44 retired, if you look at the other greats such as Maravich and Dave Bing that wore 44 for the C's, its sorta the best number they have left for someone to wear. And I say MJ could get #23 retired with the Wiz just because he is Michael Jordan, plus they have more right than the Heat to retire his number. But the real question is where is Adrian Dantley going to get his #4 retired in Utah!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spark22:</div><div class="quote_post">So with harper your saying that he should have his number retired with the Lakers too, since he did bring leadership to the 2000 championship team. But with the rest, I think Kemp possibably could get #40 retired, LJ would have #2 retired with the Hornets if they stayed in Charolette, but they are trying to get rid of that image, I could see Oakley's jersey retired. Ainge probably won't get his #44 retired, if you look at the other greats such as Maravich and Dave Bing that wore 44 for the C's, its sorta the best number they have left for someone to wear. And I say MJ could get #23 retired with the Wiz just because he is Michael Jordan, plus they have more right than the Heat to retire his number. But the real question is where is Adrian Dantley going to get his #4 retired in Utah!</div> did I say that anywhere in my statement? No I didn't..some ya'll cats need to read a little bit..anyhow,I'm just sayin' ya'll need to respect Harp for what he did before Chicago and when he was in Chicago. He was much better than you cats are givin' him credit for in Chicago...No I don't think his number should be retired but I think credit should be given because he was huge in his role in the Bulls last three titles.
