Only 9 minutes for Vince Carter, and he was selected as a starter in the game, I don't think its fair, fans voted him in, he should play the most, he also is the leading vote getter. 5/7 fg and 1/3 3's, 2 rebounds, and 2 steals. It said he had no assits but i believe he threw an alley to Jermaine. Only 16 minutes and none in fourth. I wanna see VC more than anyone, and the voters have spoken, Rick Carlisle Sucks big time.
It doesn't matter. Vince Carter got in his highlight reel dunks and a shot or two, and that's all. He's not exactly a defensive powerhouse, and late in the game, that's what they were looking for. There's no need to complain about it. He got more minutes than some others and scored more than half of the others. The key is to make use of the minutes you're given, and he did.
With a team built around top guards there were always going to be guys who would get snubbed of playing time Kidd, Redd, Mcgrady, Iverson, Artest, Davis and Carter all had to share minutes. Carisle is a defensive minded coach so having defensive players in the 4th quarter was no surprise to me. I've seen him do it for over 100+ games. Thats his style.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">It doesn't matter. Vince Carter got in his highlight reel dunks and a shot or two, and that's all. He's not exactly a defensive powerhouse, and late in the game, that's what they were looking for. There's no need to complain about it. He got more minutes than some others and scored more than half of the others. The key is to make use of the minutes you're given, and he did.</div> Ya, but the thing is allot of fans voted for him, and those fans expected to see VC play and get good minutes, I wouldn?t have said noting if VC didn?t get the most votes, but he did, so it would have only be fair if he got as much minutes as the rest of the east starters did (which was 23+ minutes), VC isn?t a complainer, but I?m pretty sure allot of his fans that voted for him sure has something to say. I know alotttt of ppl that don?t really watch the Raptors (or any other teams), and they were really exited to see VC in the all-star which end up to be such a disappointment to them. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">He's not exactly a defensive powerhouse, and late in the game, that's what they were looking for.</div> Well that I can agree with you on, I didn?t see that much defense from him, but like always, his dunks were crazy!
Carter taken at entertainment value You know what's strange about this whole ordeal. Does anyone really take Carter seriously, or is he over-hyped by us fans. What occured in LA at the all-star game was very insulting. The guy leads in votes from the fans. In Toronto he is our go-to guy. The guy is clutch. I'm a canadian, but if Magloire had ended up winning MVP I would've just hurled. Carter gets little to no respect. We know definitely for sure now that Carter will not want to go to LA. It's really a shame though. You know Carter was embarassed, but he still had enough class to talk with the reporter, and hug Shaq as MVP winner after the game. What can I say that was no coincidence, that was the ultimate diss.
I'm a huge VC fan but I agree with the coaches decision not to play him that much in the second half. After seeing some of the highlights you can tell that he was becoming a liability on defense. And in close games, you can't afford to have any defensive weaknesses down the stretch. I understand that the fans deserve to see more from their #1 pick, but honestly, what do fans know? All they wanna see is flash, but flash doesn't win ball games. And all I wanted to see were some cool dunks/plays & most importantly, the East winning the ball game. So I'd rather see Vince on the bench down the stretch if that would mean a victory for East. VC fans shouldn't be complaining because he already got a few highlight reel dunks and he probably wouldn't have got anymore since the West played better D in the second half.
^Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. A fan that's not excessively biased and shows an understanding for the game. I have to compliment you on that post. Good post, RipHamFan, good post.
I'm not at all disappointed that VC didn't get much time in the 2nd half. Given his history of injuries, can you imagine what would happen if he hurt himself in an all-star game? What do you think Rick Adelman is saying about Brad Miller. I'm sure he's not pleased. All in all, fans have to remember this is an All Star game. It's not a playoff game.
<font color="Teal">I wouldn't have uttered a word if Carlisle just gave Vince an equal amount of minutes and sat him out at the end, I wouldn't have cared, it's just an All Star ! .. But my belief what happened yesterday has more reasons ! If he's the leading vote getter ( 2+ million votes ) , and he's doing great in the first half, and doesn't the floor in the last 20 mins .. that's CRAZY ! .. Everybody saw him anxios to play when TNT's Craig Sager talked to him on the bench, he was on his way to the MVP in the first half ! .. Com'n .. if you say that Caralisle wanted to play defence, Vince left the game at the 7 minute mark in the THIRD quarter, and had never returned, he could've played him in the begging of the fourth or late in third .. as a matter of fact he wasn't doing bad definsivley ! .. Is Tracy McGrady good defender ?? .. he played most of the second half, same thing goes to Iverson and Pierce ! .. Caralisle didn't insert Big Ben late in the game which indicatee he wasn't focusing on D alot ! .. and VC is more clutch player that everybody was on the floor late in the game for the East ! .. It's just an All Star game but there's something going on ! .. ..</font>
The insertion of Ben Wallace shows he wasn't focusing on defense? If you didn't notice, Shaq was having quite a rough time against Magloire, who played him pretty well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">The insertion of Ben Wallace shows he wasn't focusing on defense? If you didn't notice, Shaq was having quite a rough time against Magloire, who played him pretty well.</div> Ok there we're not talkin about Shaq and Magloire here, we're talkin about Vince not gettin enough playin time when he clearly was doin well. And he was playin defence and also intercepted teh ball once to feed AI who fed TMAc for that dunk.. Its quite obvious they give ppl playing time who dont deserve it. TMac is at the bottom of the conference, and they keep sayin hes on a bad team. If Carter was on the worst conference, they would say its Carter's fault. Way to take responsibility there! So im trailin off topic, but it was clearly evident that Carter was snubbed again. Would you have sat Carter on the bench that entire time yourself? If not, then dont find a way to agree with Carlisle
maybe Carlisle seen some of the absolutely ridiculous posts in this forum and did it just to piss ya'll off....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok there we're not talkin about Shaq and Magloire here, we're talkin about Vince not gettin enough playin time when he clearly was doin well. And he was playin defence and also intercepted teh ball once to feed AI who fed TMAc for that dunk.. Its quite obvious they give ppl playing time who dont deserve it. TMac is at the bottom of the conference, and they keep sayin hes on a bad team. If Carter was on the worst conference, they would say its Carter's fault. Way to take responsibility there! So im trailin off topic, but it was clearly evident that Carter was snubbed again. Would you have sat Carter on the bench that entire time yourself? If not, then dont find a way to agree with Carlisle</div> It's over, just let it be...it's just an all-star game, no need to be bitter...no offense man, but you're coming off as the biggest Vince Carter ****rider on this board...just give it a rest, the whole world ain't out to get Carter... So Carlisle didn't play him as much as you wanted....just look at it as Vince getting extra rest for the games that count...
Carter played well for what minutes he got, he got a lot of hype in the beginning anyway. Such loud cheers. I think he should be happy, he at least started. No doubt he has skills and is good. That dunk proved me wrong, that he can still throw it down like no one else. However like they said, it's just a game, it's for fun, plus it's over. He'll get his chance to prove himself as to how good he is in the near future, time and time again, till his retirement. Could've been worse, at least he wasn't snubbed like Brand and Randolph were.
As a leading vote getter and all star starter he shouldve play more minutes... he played well during his minutes, there was no reason to keep him on the bench so much ... stupid indiana coach
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter played well for what minutes he got, he got a lot of hype in the beginning anyway. Such loud cheers. I think he should be happy, he at least started. No doubt he has skills and is good. That dunk proved me wrong, that he can still throw it down like no one else. However like they said, it's just a game, it's for fun, plus it's over. He'll get his chance to prove himself as to how good he is in the near future, time and time again, till his retirement. Could've been worse, at least he wasn't snubbed like Brand and Randolph were.</div> I agree, I think most people having complaints about the allstar game should now forget about it and focus on the season. Some of the players out there probibly needed those extra minutes because once the all star game is over tracy and iverson will have to go back to teams that are well below 500. I'm sure vince didn't mind that much
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting RipHamFan:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm a huge VC fan but I agree with the coaches decision not to play him that much in the second half. After seeing some of the highlights you can tell that he was becoming a liability on defense. And in close games, you can't afford to have any defensive weaknesses down the stretch. I understand that the fans deserve to see more from their #1 pick, but honestly, what do fans know? All they wanna see is flash, but flash doesn't win ball games. And all I wanted to see were some cool dunks/plays & most importantly, the East winning the ball game. So I'd rather see Vince on the bench down the stretch if that would mean a victory for East. VC fans shouldn't be complaining because he already got a few highlight reel dunks and he probably wouldn't have got anymore since the West played better D in the second half.</div> Thank you, finally a Raptor fan I can agree with on this board. How can someone complain that much when a player much less talented than anyone on the floor should get playing time late in the game. I have no idea what Raptor games you've been watching but Vince Carter is not clutch, or certainly not as clutch as you say he is. I agree with Carlisle's decision, Vince had his time to shine, which was in the first half when everyone was doing the same (dunking). Later in the game it started to get serious and there weren't as many flashy plays. Carlisle went with 2 quicker guards; Jason Kidd and Allen Iverson (along with Tmac), and went with two other players who played well defensively that game; Ron Artest and Jamaal Magloire. As for power forward that position was being split with Jermaine Oneal and Kenyon Martin. That would leave no space on the floor for Vince, all those players play better defensively, and with more intensity. As allnet said there were too many others that needed playing time, and it just happened to be players that are better than Vince. The rest of you Raptor fans just need to grow up and accept the reasons why Vince wasn't playing, leading vote getter or not.
