I for one definitely hope that Vince does NOT forget this and that it only pushes him further to become a greater all-around player and prove everyone (including YOU Carlisle) wrong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k3:</div><div class="quote_post">Ron Artest Is NOT better than Vince. I agree with putting everyone else on.. but Artest... No way!</div> Hes certainly close to what Vince is: Vince Carter: 21.2ppg 4.7rpg 4.8apg 1.1spg 3.06tpg 41.2% FG Ron Artest: 18.1ppg 5.3rpg 3.0apg 2.06spg 2.67tpg 42.3% FG Look at those stats, Artest isn't far off from Vince, and hes only the second option on his team. Artest is also a much better defender ranking #3 in steals and steals per game. I'm a raptor fan too, I'm not bashing Vince but I'm teaching other Raptor fans that you have to realize that Vince isn't as amazing as you say he is, everyone has to get it through their head, stop treating him like hes the best player in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k3:</div><div class="quote_post">Ron Artest Is NOT better than Vince. I agree with putting everyone else on.. but Artest... No way!</div> I heard it all now.....Jesus.....I guarantee ya put 'em against each other 10 times that Ron come out with more points each time,since thats what ya'll covet is points. Ron would lock his ass down hard. Ron IS a better all-around player than Vince Carter.
someone here said Carter can score but not play D, well he had a lot of ustle steals or leading to steals, he also was on his way to MVP. That person also said Carlisle wanted to win, but the East still lost, and the game was a fun one its called an all star game, made for stars, thats y they call it all-STAR. And VC is the biggest star, people want to see him, the most. Capitch? Stop hatin on VC now.
Offer a GM Vince or Artest. From an on-court POV, they will take Ron Ron EVERY single time. You can guarantee that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I heard it all now.....Jesus.....I guarantee ya put 'em against each other 10 times that Ron come out with more points each time,since thats what ya'll covet is points. Ron would lock his ass down hard. Ron IS a better all-around player than Vince Carter.</div> Ron is doing excellent this year but if you compare career stats and overall statistics during the years they have both been in the league vince is just the overall better player for his situation. Yeah Ron Artest is a better defensive player then carter, but he can also be considered a better defensive player then tracy, ray allen, steve nash and a bunch of other players in this league but that doesn't mean he towers over them or a not so 100% Vince Carter in terms of skill.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Canada:</div><div class="quote_post"><font color="Teal"> Com'n .. if you say that Caralisle wanted to play defence, Vince left the game at the 7 minute mark in the THIRD quarter, and had never returned, he could've played him in the begging of the fourth or late in third .. as a matter of fact he wasn't doing bad definsivley ! .. Is Tracy McGrady good defender ?? .. he played most of the second half, same thing goes to Iverson and Pierce ! .. Caralisle didn't insert Big Ben late in the game which indicatee he wasn't focusing on D alot ! .. and VC is more clutch player that everybody was on the floor late in the game for the East ! .. It's just an All Star game but there's something going on ! .. ..</font></div> Mistake me if I'm wrong, but wasn't McGrady guarding Garnett? So if you're Carlisle, you'd put Carter on KG rather than T-mac? As for Iverson, well seeing how the only way the east could beat the west is by taking advantage of their speed, it should be obvious to give AI a lot of playing time. With both Kidd and Iverson on at the same time they were able to push the ball up the floor a lot faster. As for Paul Pierce, well first of all he played LESS minutes than Carter and secondly, he IS a better defender than Carter. Arguably even a better player than Carter. And finally, Big Ben didn't get much playing time because, as Crossover mentioned, Magloire was having a tremendous game both offensively and defensively. And we all know that Wallace lacks in the offensive category. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k3:</div><div class="quote_post">Ron Artest Is NOT better than Vince. I agree with putting everyone else on.. but Artest... No way!</div> I'm way more of a VC fan than an Artest fan so I hate to admit it, but Artest IS better than Carter. If you don't believe me or the previous ppl who said the same thing, then you should've seen the last time the raps faced the pacers. Artest had his way throughout the whole damn game.
Crossover, y u on my nuts? if u hate the Raps and Vince, go ride something at the pacers or someother forum.
I got more stats for you... Vince Carter: PPG 21.2 RPG 4.7 APG 4.8 SPG 1.10 BPG .94 FG% .412 FT% .801 3P% .379 MPG 37.2 Ron Artest: PPG 18.1 RPG 5.3 APG 3.9 SPG 2.06 BPG .76 FG% .423 FT% .745 3P% .297 MPG 38.0 So VC gets more done in less time. And I don't understand why someone would take Ron and not VC, maybe a retarded Gm, that was drunk and high at the same time before making the deal. <font color="Red">Don't double post - KJ</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wizk4nyc15:</div><div class="quote_post">Ron Artest: PPG 18.1 RPG 5.3 APG 3.9 SPG 2.06 BPG .76 FG% .423 FT% .745 3P% .297 MPG 38.0 So VC gets more done in less time. And I don't understand why someone would take Ron and not VC, maybe a retarded Gm, that was drunk and high at the same time before making the deal.</div> My god, what an incredibly biased and naive post. If you're going by stats, how about posting the stats on VC and Artests' respective opponents on any given night? You honestly think you can use those stats to say that Vince does more? Artest not only puts up these numbers, but he shuts down the oppositions best scorer 85% of the time. Vince puts up 20 a game and gives up 25 on the other end. It is sad that Vince fanatics can't look past the high flying ability and excitement to realise he is not as complete a basketball player as people think. Sure he can dunk, but he is injury prone, he is not half as tough or hald the defender Artest is, and his leadership skills leave a lot to be desired. EVERY GM takes Artest in that situation, going by what is done on the court. There are two ends of a basketball court, not just one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wizk4nyc15:</div><div class="quote_post"> So VC gets more done in less time. And I don't understand why someone would take Ron and not VC, maybe a retarded Gm, that was drunk and high at the same time before making the deal.</div> Or a GM who's older and wiser than a typical 15 year old...
I stopped taking ANYTHING seriously in this forum when someone said Vince Carter is twice as good as Jordan and a couple other cats backed him up...tells me all I need to know about this place.
I already mentioned I'm a Carter fan in both of my posts in this thread, but seeing how a lot of these Carter fans are acting, I'm starting to become ashamed of it. I would like to say something to all you VC fans reading this: In order to be a TRUE Vince Carter fan you must a fan of the TRUE Vince Carter. Not the FANTASY Vince Carter that you all made him out to be. You must understand his strengths AND weaknesses. He is an amazing dunker, good shooter, can attack the bucket well, and is an underrated passer. However, he is also injury prone and lacks in lateral quickness (which hinders his defensive capabilities). And if you don't believe me then ask Jack Armstrong (the Raptors analyst) or better yet, ask most NBA analysts out there. And if you think I'm just a VC hater posing as a fan then you're wrong. I got Carter posters and a Carter jersey hanging on my bedroom wall so don't even start with me. I respect his game and I'm also aware of his limitations. You all should be the same way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">I stopped taking ANYTHING seriously in this forum when someone said Vince Carter is twice as good as Jordan and a couple other cats backed him up...tells me all I need to know about this place.</div> Hey buddy, dont single all raptors fans that come to this forum like that. You'll find an extremely biased poster in just about every team thread.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting RipHamFan:</div><div class="quote_post">I already mentioned I'm a Carter fan in both of my posts in this thread, but seeing how a lot of these Carter fans are acting, I'm starting to become ashamed of it. I would like to say something to all you VC fans reading this: In order to be a TRUE Vince Carter fan you must a fan of the TRUE Vince Carter. Not the FANTASY Vince Carter that you all made him out to be. You must understand his strengths AND weaknesses. He is an amazing dunker, good shooter, can attack the bucket well, and is an underrated passer. However, he is also injury prone and lacks in lateral quickness (which hinders his defensive capabilities). And if you don't believe me then ask Jack Armstrong (the Raptors analyst) or better yet, ask most NBA analysts out there. And if you think I'm just a VC hater posing as a fan then you're wrong. I got Carter posters and a Carter jersey hanging on my bedroom wall so don't even start with me. I respect his game and I'm also aware of his limitations. You all should be the same way.</div> Now this I agree with. I can respect someone who can state flaws without making carter sound like a bad player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting lunetik4raps:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey buddy, dont single all raptors fans that come to this forum like that. You'll find an extremely biased poster in just about every team thread.</div> Well they are MANY in this forum and if you think otherwise then you just ain't be around here long enough.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wizk4nyc15:</div><div class="quote_post">Ron Artest: PPG 18.1 RPG 5.3 APG 3.9 SPG 2.06 BPG .76 FG% .423 FT% .745 3P% .297 MPG 38.0 So VC gets more done in less time. And I don't understand why someone would take Ron and not VC, maybe a retarded Gm, that was drunk and high at the same time before making the deal.</div> Stats don't show how many times Artest has shut down players, or how great of a job he did on people defensively. Ron is the best guard defender in the league, that means nothing to you? Artest > Carter in my book also.
