It's true Vince couldnt have taken the pressure defence from the West as well durin the clutch... but come on people, number one vote getter in the L gets only 16 mins? It's funny to me cause at the beginnin I was like "damn, this dude on a roll" and since Kenny Smith actually picked him as the MVP of this game so for a moment there I actually had my hopes up... real high, till Carlise buried his ass down on the bench so freakin far left you couldnt even find him. Did y'all see him man? He was all crouched up lookin sad and loney at the end of that bench. Hey, I also read Vince couldnt enter Shaq's party durin the weekend even tho his name was on the guest list. Then Shaq said "I guess he wasnt big enough." DAMN, what an embarassment for him man, I feel for him now, I really do.
No one here said Carter was the best player, he is one of the best. Maybe a reason why he is the leading vote getter (not becuz he's in Canada) but who is the best Small Forward in the East? you tell me. And sum1 else said if its a 1-1 game Artest would win, well its 5-5 not 1-1. Like sum1 else said Carter is a franchise player, not Artest. If you look at both players' careers Carter is by far better. Don't get me wrong, I love Artest he grew up in my city (NYC) and everyone here got love for him, but he is not better than Carter. Carter was the leading vote getter therefor he diserves the most minutes, i don't care if its because Canadians voted a lot, then Canadians are going to watch the game, the majority of the people wins, and the majority asked for Carter. If you watched Raptors game more often you would know how many double teams Carter gets, and hacks, and the refs won't even call for him. Its just really sad. I feel bad for him, he is really hated, and i don't know why? Remember just a few years ago: " Carter is the next Jordan, Carter is very Jordanesque, carter is amazing". everyone was on his Dickkkkkk. He got injured twice, and people starting to call him injury prone. But its cool, come playoff time, we'll be able to tell if Carter is overhyped, or better than everyone else thinks. Also don't forget how many assists he averages. He is the most unselfish out of all the stars. And before the All star game, i read people saying Carter can't jump as well as he used to. I think he proved you wrong, and he is still explosive as hell.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jack:</div><div class="quote_post">VC is the most unselfish superstar u can find, he makes his teamates better</div> Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Jason Kidd............
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wizk4nyc15:</div><div class="quote_post">No one here said Carter was the best player, he is one of the best. Maybe a reason why he is the leading vote getter (not becuz he's in Canada) but who is the best Small Forward in the East? you tell me. And sum1 else said if its a 1-1 game Artest would win, well its 5-5 not 1-1. Like sum1 else said Carter is a franchise player, not Artest. If you look at both players' careers Carter is by far better. Don't get me wrong, I love Artest he grew up in my city (NYC) and everyone here got love for him, but he is not better than Carter. Carter was the leading vote getter therefor he diserves the most minutes, i don't care if its because Canadians voted a lot, then Canadians are going to watch the game, the majority of the people wins, and the majority asked for Carter. If you watched Raptors game more often you would know how many double teams Carter gets, and hacks, and the refs won't even call for him. Its just really sad. I feel bad for him, he is really hated, and i don't know why? Remember just a few years ago: " Carter is the next Jordan, Carter is very Jordanesque, carter is amazing". everyone was on his Dickkkkkk. He got injured twice, and people starting to call him injury prone. But its cool, come playoff time, we'll be able to tell if Carter is overhyped, or better than everyone else thinks. Also don't forget how many assists he averages. He is the most unselfish out of all the stars. And before the All star game, i read people saying Carter can't jump as well as he used to. I think he proved you wrong, and he is still explosive as hell.</div> Damn son make up your mind,first you wanna take Vince and make it a one on one thing against Ron now that you've been laughed off the forum you wanna spin it around and say it don't matter cuz it's a team game? The word contradiction mean anything to you?
There is a difference between franchise player and superstar. Being the top vote getter means nothing to how good you are. All It means is the fans love your style, dunks and overall energy level.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">There is a difference between franchise player and superstar. Being the top vote getter means nothing to how good you are. All It means is the fans love your style, dunks and overall energy level.</div> What are you saying vince is? a franchise player or just simply a superstar. I know that the raptors aren't what they are without him and even the simple act of attracting triple and double teams helps his team, he is no where near the level he can be but as for the raptors he is the franchise (when he brings his A game).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting lunetik4raps:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you saying vince is? a franchise player or just simply a superstar. I know that the raptors aren't what they are without him and even the simple act of attracting triple and double teams helps his team, he is no where near the level he can be but as for the raptors he is the franchise (when he brings his A game).</div> I no longer consider Carter a real superstar anymore but he is still very important to the Raptors success. He is their best player, he is the Raptors franchise but I certainly wouldn't even put him as a top 15 player anymore.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I no longer consider Carter a real superstar anymore but he is still very important to the Raptors success. He is their best player, he is the Raptors franchise but I certainly wouldn't even put him as a top 15 player anymore.</div> I can respect that, he'll still remain in my top 15, I have the firm belief that if he was widely considered a second option he'd get more respect. I wont hold him down to this year but his overall career thus far. If he comes back next season or later on in the season without making much of an improvement in his weak areas then I'll change my mind.
Guys, I agree that Ron is a better defender than VC, but you have to understand that all VC needed to do in the ASG was loosely guard his player because the big men were getting the ball... Who got the ball at the end... Tim Duncan. So did The east really need defense on the perimiter.. IMO no they didnt, they needed people to guard Shaq Tim and KG. Vince was need on the offensive end and Artest made it even more easy for the west to clamp down on T-mac and company because they know he was like the 5th option out there and if vince were there he prolly wouldve been the 3rd. Vince is my favorite player but i understand that he has weaknesses and he isnt MJ. No he probably cant beat artest 1on1 but even if artest was on the west and VC was guarding him artest wouldnt get the ball so it makes no difference. Lets stop this arguement by saying Carlisle was not stupid but maybe Vince should have been on because he was the leading vote getter. Who cares about D in that type of game the fans want dunks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k3:</div><div class="quote_post">Who cares about D in that type of game the fans want dunks.</div> You know what fans, for once I agree with this quote. It was an ASG, not the NBA finals. You all are finding some kind of meaning as to why Artest was out there instead of Vince and looking less on the conspiracy behind everything. Do you really believe that people at the ASG really wanted to see tough defence and boring action. If you do then obviously you would put Artest out there. We wanna see stars: KG, SO, KB, TD, JK, T-Mac, VC. I bet most of the fans that were women asked, who the heck is that? We play for the fans at an ASG not the coaches. Carlisle should be sentenced for this travesty.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Nasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn son make up your mind,first you wanna take Vince and make it a one on one thing against Ron now that you've been laughed off the forum you wanna spin it around and say it don't matter cuz it's a team game? The word contradiction mean anything to you?</div> Yo son, i never said i wanted to make it a one on one deal, someone else did, they said artest would beat Carter in a one on one game, read to achieve son. What i said was basketball is a team sport not 1-1..., i'll buy you some "hooked on phonics" LMAO.
hahaha this is all pretty funny...i was too lazy to read all the pages...only read the first 2... the Carter jockers are always defending him without a break, no matter how bad the arguement and the Anti-Carters are always bashing him, no matter how good the arguement... IMO...Peopple are saying Carlisle was looking for "defense down the stretch"...I agree with that...and down the stretch to me is for of 4th quarter not with like 8 mins left in the 3rd....i am not a biased raptors fan...I think the people that played instead of Carter all held thier own down the stretch...I also understand that it's hard distributing minutes among all-stars...but if Carlisle WAS planning on keeping carter on the bench thruout the 4th quarter for defense purposes, he should have atleast let him play for even 4, 5 more mins in the 3rd, to atleast get him around 20 mins...That woulda been fair....but to bench him for almost 2 quarters....it clearly shows some fishyness... this reminds me of Isiah benching Antoine and Pierce in last years game... but...to this Vince arguement....its done with. you can't change it. its gonna be the same arguements back and forth (he deserved the minutes vs. defense down the stretch) And that TNT interview just made everything worse...Sager reminds me of Jim Gray...both act like little rats, they piss me off...like when Gray interviewed Kobe when he was boooed in Philly.. You know...Carter doesnt have the same respect, the same hops, the same confidence, the same abilities as he did before but as a superstar, it should be up to him to regain himself and so far, I don't he's done it... And this is why he will never be up there with Kobe, MJ e.t.c Let the pissed responses come in flocks
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Streetball2k3:</div><div class="quote_post">Guys, I agree that Ron is a better defender than VC, but you have to understand that all VC needed to do in the ASG was loosely guard his player because the big men were getting the ball... Who got the ball at the end... Tim Duncan. So did The east really need defense on the perimiter.. IMO no they didnt, they needed people to guard Shaq Tim and KG. Vince was need on the offensive end and Artest made it even more easy for the west to clamp down on T-mac and company because they know he was like the 5th option out there and if vince were there he prolly wouldve been the 3rd. Vince is my favorite player but i understand that he has weaknesses and he isnt MJ. No he probably cant beat artest 1on1 but even if artest was on the west and VC was guarding him artest wouldnt get the ball so it makes no difference. Lets stop this arguement by saying Carlisle was not stupid but maybe Vince should have been on because he was the leading vote getter. Who cares about D in that type of game the fans want dunks.</div> I care about D. I'd rather see the first 3 quarters of crazy dunks and solid defense in the forth quarter. I hate the way the game has changed, where are the fundamentals? Jerry West said it best regarding the Rookie/Soph game. "I'm into substance, not style." Vince started the game, thats all that matters. The east wanted to take the game to earn some repect. If he was in the game for the final minutes, the east would have lost by more. Vince isn't a clutch player, therefore he shouldn't be in the game with the clock running down. The VC craze has me, I dont see whats so special about him. He can throw down some good dunks, but theres players out there that can throw it down and contribute on both ends of the floor. Theres so many players who are better than Vince, he's not even top 20. These Raptor fans are almost as bad as the Magic fans. Turn on the TV and get out of the Vinsanity craze.
I don't agree fully with Spawn, (stuff like VC will never be that good or w/e) but i think this thread should stop, there is no point of going on, its like me gainst all the people that hate Carter, and we both can't change anything, what was done, was done. Thread ended here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wizk4nyc15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yo son, i never said i wanted to make it a one on one deal, someone else did, they said artest would beat Carter in a one on one game, read to achieve son. What i said was basketball is a team sport not 1-1..., i'll buy you some "hooked on phonics" LMAO.</div> pot callin' the kettle black playa... check yo'self before you talk bout someone else
Let's not forget how Ron Artest dunked on Vince last time the Pacers beat the Raptors. ;D Edit: Don't cry just because we don't like Carter's lower extremities like you. We still enjoy him as a player.
