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  1. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Obviously this guy is not going to be around for a third year the way Mullin is down on him and his obvious useless 4th quarter rotation/strategies so who should coach the warriors? He made a big difference a while ago, but as teams change the coaches should change. I mean there were just tons of games that could have been won this year had he used a little imagination, thought up a game plan, and also showed a little common sense. Like the lakers game for instance, he could have sent Shaq to the line with a foul away from the ball, but they kept letting kobe create for himself for possible 3 point plays (which he usually converts) or creating openings for Shaq in the paint (as the help defense tried to cover Kobe as he drove past his defender). And then the last play of the game they had cliff try to gamble and get Shaq to draw contact on his 6th foul. The refs never call that, especially not on a superstar in the final second of play. It's ridiculous, where is the strategy anymore? Also with the final 19 seconds before that last play why not call a time out to discuss an offensive strategy? The warriors had 2 timeouts. Instead, the warriors turn the ball over and are forced to foul Kareem Rush who luckily misses both free throws but to no avail. Then the last play they give the ball to Cliff Robinson against Shaq? Are you kidding me?? I'd rather have Calbert Cheaney shoot it from the wing or have Jrich pull up and hit a midrange shot. And the worst thing is, Musselman isn't even a playoff coach so what will he do when regular games are close like this? It's just unbelievable that he gets the "Jon Gruden of the NBA" comparrisons. What an insult to Gruden. Musselman will always be a small ball coach and there's no denying that the warriors need to reinvent themselves as a team that can pound the ball inside, penetrate and get easy points in the paint.

    One more thing, the dumbass coach takes away all the rebounding at both ends of the court in the 4th quarter on several occasions when there was no foul trouble. So you know when Damp sits the warriors better have a good lead because second chance points will go down and so will boxing out. Remember the Toronto Raptors game? Dampier was the only one who scored those two points. And then nobody rebounded after a miss or bothered to patrol the paint after he was taken out. Dumb move at the Raptors game and dumb move part two at the Lakers game. Here's to you Musselman, overrated coach of the year.
     
  2. philsmith75

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    I'm going to repeat what I wrote in the other thread, give Musselman some credit for putting Cheaney on Bryant and rotating Cliffy to that side to help out. That locked down Bryant in the 4th. In addition, Cliffy got some big time 4th quarter minutes and he came through with some big buckets. Cardinal got some real good looks and had a couple of good 3s go in and out. The most you can ask for is for Musselman to put the Warriors in a position to win and for the players to execute. He did that. NVE had a leaner in the lane for the lead with what 5 sec left? Plus that turnover, that came when Damp failed to go up strong and passed it to Cliffy. Before then, JRich had the ball on the wing and thought he had no dribble and failed to make an aggressive move.

    I swear, we let Muss go, this team is going to go down. Who better is out there? Retreads all around.
     
  3. Emo

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's to you Musselman, overrated coach of the year.</div>

    If I were you, I would respect Musselman rather than criticize his coaching skills. Who would you rather want as your coach? PJ Carlisemo? The ex Hornets coach? Geez, even Gary St. Jean as your coach? At least Musselman is doing better than the other Warrior coaches that came before him. Think about that.
     
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    Amen. Please, some people forget to look in the past sometimes.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">If I were you, I would respect Musselman rather than criticize his coaching skills. Who would you rather want as your coach? PJ Carlisemo? The ex Hornets coach? Geez, even Gary St. Jean as your coach? At least Musselman is doing better than the other Warrior coaches that came before him. Think about that.</div>
    Finally someone who speaks some truth and nicely for once. He who can't do, criticizes. I respect Musselman a lot myself. He has been doing well with a team with great individuals but rather mediocre as a team and chemistry.

    He plays Brian Cardinal for you guys who brings 110% every night, that's always a good thing. Plus Claxton is now your main PG, he still allows NVE to reedeem himself even though he'd like to move. He's a nice guy coach and deserves some respect. He does well with what he has, too bad he too suffers on the road.
     
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    Rudeezy JBB Senior *********

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    I too question some of Musselmen's coaching strategies but I would not want to get rid of him. He has made this into a competitive team and has put the Warriors in positions to win games. I really can't think of anyone who the warriors could replace him with either. We can't blame all of these Warrior injuries on the coach, he has no control over that. If he can't lead a healthy warriors team to the playoffs next year, then you might have a case.
     
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    musselman is the man.
     
  8. Emo

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting thePHentity:</div><div class="quote_post">musselman is the man.</div>

    I hope you do some updating to your team's record. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_Fever_834:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope you do some updating to your team's record. [​IMG]</div>What does that mean? So I guess we should blame all of the injuries on him too?
     
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    While the Warriors haven't been doing as well as expected this year, imagine where they would be without Musselman. While he doesn't run many set plays, his open offense allows for the players to create for themselves and is much more entertaining for the fans to watch. Sometimes, he makes judgement mistakes, but that is to be expected for a 2nd year coach with a young team. Give him a couple more chances- let's not follow the trend of the rest of the NBA by firing our coach at the slightest sign of trouble.
     
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    he's stil the most exciting coach the warriors have had for a long time. the fact that he's so emphatic during the game, sticks up for his team and players, and actually cares for them...that's what makes him the man. it's not exactly easy to be coaching in the NBA, especially with so many problems the warriors have had this entire season. i don't like blaming coaches. in fact, i NEVER blame a coach. grady little got FIRED because he left pedro martinez, his best pitcher, in an extra inning....like he just KNEW what was going to happen. none of us know musselman's motives for some of the moves he makes...and he doesn't have to explain them either. getting on this guy for some moves is just impatient...and as warriors fans i would think some of us are the very definition of patience. the coach had just started relationships with players from last year, the team got changed up quite a bit, the coach has practically a whole new team this year, has plenty of injury problems...and we want a new coach? just to change up the entire chemistry some more?
     
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    What about Byron Scot? If he's still available, would he be a good coach for the Warriors?
     
  13. Emo

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">What does that mean? So I guess we should blame all of the injuries on him too?</div>

    No, I meant his Warriors record. It says 21-27 instead of 23-29. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting gina:</div><div class="quote_post">What about Byron Scot? If he's still available, would he be a good coach for the Warriors?</div>

    No, you just don't get rid of a guy like Musselman at this time of the season, kobeonfire said it best, took the words right out my mouth. Without him, they could easily be one of the worst teams in the league right now.
     
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    "I swear, we let Muss go, this team is going to go down. Who better is out there? Retreads all around."

    A voice of reason. Eric Musselman is a good NBA coach, the Warriors would be making a huge mistake in letting him go. Last year everyone in the bay area was riding this guy like he was the next Phil Jackson, now you want to run him out of town? Look at what happened to this guy's team over the course of the offseason: he loses his top two point guards, Troy Murphy gets hurt and is unable to contribute like he did last year, the team's high scorer Antawn Jamison gets shipped to Dallas for Van Exel who's missed half of the year and three non-factors in Eschemeyer, Johnson and Jones.

    In my opinion Muss has done a great job keeping this team anywhere near the .500 mark in the dominant western conference. Who could be expected to succeed under these circumstances? E-Muss has a tremendous pedigree, his father was a great coach and he's been around the game his entire life. Cut the guy some slack and start pointing the fingers at St. Jean if the team's performances is not up to par. I understand the frustration in getting so close to playoffs and regressing the following year, but this was going to be a nearly impossible task for any coach, let alone a young coach in his second season.
     
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    Musselman is a hardworking coach, no doubt. But does his effort rub off on his team? He puts on lineups to win, not to entertain his stars, which is why many players on his roster dislike him. This may eventually prove his downfall as most GMs don't tend to think his thoughts. He won't last long with the Warriors, but I do see him coaching a team somewhere else.
     
  17. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    So nobody questions that his 4th quarter strategy on the lakers game and the toronto game and the clippers game and the bucks game and the magic game and the hornets game were all f'ed up and put the warriors in a position to lose even though they had the momentum to win until the 4th quarter substitutions. Nobody even said one thing about putting Shaq to the line instead of trying to focus on Kobe. Kobe was the main threat to the warriors. You put Shaq on the foul line who was 1/9 free throwing he would have choked, warriors could have gone the other way for a basket and slowly outpace the lakers point production.

    I'll give him credit for playing guys like Boykins, Arenas, and Cardinal though which I neglected to mention earlier.
     
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    Sure, they could have, but that's not the way it worked out. I can't claim that I've seen every Warrior game this season and I'm not doubting you on your claims that some of Musselman's late game strategy might have been suspect during the course of the season. From where I stand, I just feel that this guy has been handed a plate full of spare parts and been asked to turn a Hyundai into a Cadillac. I guess if you can get a coach like Scott or Rivers, firing Muss would be a possible solution. But I wouldn't get rid of this guy just yet, look at what's going on in the east, it's an absolute cluster.... I'd give him a few more players that fit his coaching style and another year to prove himself, after that I would reassess his performance and go from there. That's just me.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting OgShowtime:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure, they could have, but that's not the way it worked out. I can't claim that I've seen every Warrior game this season and I'm not doubting you on your claims that some of Musselman's late game strategy might have been suspect during the course of the season. From where I stand, I just feel that this guy has been handed a plate full of spare parts and been asked to turn a Hyundai into a Cadillac. I guess if you can get a coach like Scott or Rivers, firing Muss would be a possible solution. But I wouldn't get rid of this guy just yet, look at what's going on in the east, it's an absolute cluster.... I'd give him a few more players that fit his coaching style and another year to prove himself, after that I would reassess his performance and go from there. That's just me.</div>

    Well maybe I'm jumping the gun a little and I don't have the stats that show point production based on who is out on the floor and against which team, but from what I've witnessed his 4th quarter rotations are what causes the dry spells that allow the other team to come back and win even after being behind by a dozen. There were 6 or 7 games like that this year where Musselman just gambled.
     
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    How about telling the guys on the floor to score a bit more? Let's start blaming the players and not the coach. If Musselman was pulling a Jackson and not doing anything to "let them figure it out" I might bite and criticize but he's doing something that has worked at least 23 times and to send him on his way because of maybe 3-4 games is wrong.
     

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