<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Jazz have made another trade that will send forward Keon Clark and center Ben Handlogten to the Phoenix Suns inexchange for forward Tom Gugliotta and two first-round picks. </div> Latest
Sounds like a good trade for the jazz, they get two first rounders to help with the rebuilding process
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? Why give up 1st round picks? They gain nothing by doing this trade... both teams get expiring contracts, so what's the benefit besides a few dollars this year? They must be very eager to get under the tax threshold to give up 2 first rounders... how do they expect to get rid of Eisley's contract w/o picks to go with him? Sometimes I have to kick myself to understand Phoenix's love of trading draft picks!!
Good trade for both teams. The Suns finally get a shotblocking center, who has some skill on offense. I'm not up to date on Keon's injury status, but a frontcourt of Marion, Amare, & Keon will be competitive every night. The Suns should be able to push the ball against a lot of teams with speed at each position.
Here's the snag though, the Suns won't make the playoffs... and both the players they get are free agents in 3 months. So I just can't understand why you would trade a player who comes off your books AND 2 FIRST ROUNDERS, for 2 players who come off your payroll... the only reason is to save the Colangelos some money, as a fan I couldn't care less if the rich get richer... I want to see the Suns win in the future, remember the "future" that Bryan was shoving down our throats... and now we are going into this "future" without draft picks? Hmmm... seems like a trade worrying about the PRESENT if you ask me. The present state of their bank statements.
Unless the Suns can resign Clark, this deal is a head-scratcher to me as well...Hadlogten is a resignable commodity I'm sure, but he's not even going to play another game this year. I'd have to agree with Scorbutic here, this trade makes very little sense from an outsider's perspective.
I'm a Clark fan myself. I thought he did well for sacramento in the playoffs. Surely they must have gotten word from him that he would re-sign. If he's healthy next year he could be awesome while we wait for a draft to mature. Don't know about the center. He might just be a throw in. TWO draft picks is what I don't understand. They could've just signed Clark after the season or let Googs' contract expire. Oh well We did have our own picks plus the two knicks picks plus the cleveland pick. We'll get by. I sure hope they do get Clark next year. Next to Stromile Swift he is who I think we need. Dice healthy might be good (he's coming back Sunday). Anyone know when Clark is due to return to playing?
On Suns.com it stats that they are giving up the worst of the two first round picks this year and the other conditional first rounder they are giving up is protected through 2010. As for Clark, the same article says that there is no expected return date for him.
Well the first pick is going to be the lower of the 2 picks this year (obviously the Knick's pick) and the 2nd pick is the other New York pick (protected), plus a 2005 2nd Round Pick and cash. That's quite a bit just so the Suns could get under the expect tax threshold... how stupid will they look if the tax threshold is actually higher and Phoenix wouldn't have had to pay much if any at all. The NFL salary cap was mistakenly expected to be $78 million and it turned out to be like $80.5 Million... so expections caused Phoenix to give up 3 draft picks This has nothing to do with players, it's all about Jerry's checkbook. Phoenix could always get Keon in the summer, having him on their team now won't do anything. Utah screwed us so Jerry could save some money... can we trade Colangelo for Cuban? Keon is injured until late February, and Handlogten will never put a Suns jersey on, he's injured for the whole season and becomes a free agent.
Decent trade for both teams. Keon wasn't doing anything for the Jazz, get him outta there. They get a veteran in Googs and also some youth from the draft picks.
Poor Googs, he was once such a solid player, injuries have hobbled him so badly it's painful to even watch. BTW, just an observation, but anyone notice that the Jazz now have 4 foreign starters out of five, and six overall on the squad? They could be the first NBA team to field an all-foreign starting. That's quite a indicator of just how much the foreign game has developed over the past decade, it's really good to see in my opinion. The Jazz gameplan is essentially built on the European style of play, which coincidentally used to be the American style. Fundamentals, thank you for keeping them alive Jerry Sloan.
I don't like this trade much. Sure, the Suns get two good post players, but it's a mystery whether they'll ever don a Suns uniform. The two picks might come back to haunt them. Unless they get Kobe, that is.
Can you imagine Memphis with Carmelo Anthony at SF rather than Mike Miller? They're already good right now, with Melo they likely could have been in the race for homecourt playoff advantage. Oh well, woulda, coulda, can't dwell in the past. Just happy for the Grizz that Mr. NBA decided to take the reigns because that franchise was floundering. I really can't say that I'm too upset about this deal as someone who doesn't care much for Jerry Colangelo, but if the Suns plan on giving up a 1st rounder and missing out on a lottery pick they'd better hope that they can land Kobe this year or T-Mac the next.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the MDE:</div><div class="quote_post">Decent trade for both teams. Keon wasn't doing anything for the Jazz, get him outta there. They get a veteran in Googs and also some youth from the draft picks.</div> You'll have to explain how this is a decent trade for BOTH teams. The Suns give up 2 picks for nothing... both the players the Suns get are injured, Keon will be the only one returning, even if he does good what does it prove? The Suns won't make the playoffs and he's a FA this summer, unless they sign him, it's a waste, even if they do he isn't worth 3 draft picks. Plus on top of that the Suns could have signed him anyway (he's an Unrestricted FA). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting franchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure, the Suns get two good post players, but it's a mystery whether they'll ever don a Suns uniform. The two picks might come back to haunt them. Unless they get Kobe, that is.</div> I don't think I'd concider Keon a "good post player" he's a good defensive shot blocker... but it remains to be seen if he can handle the center position all by himself in the West. The other guy is a throw in, I've never seen him play, and cause he's injured for the season, I won't get to. Also even if they get Kobe (which I've posted would be a bad move... it's in another thread I won't rehash it) how is this trade NOT a wash? It's not like the draft picks were taking up salary cap space... the Suns gain no future cap relief by doing this trade, it was useless and only made so the Suns would drop under a tax threshold they expect to be a certain amount... rich get richer, big deal! <div class="quote_poster">Quoting OgShowtime:</div><div class="quote_post">but if the Suns plan on giving up a 1st rounder and missing out on a lottery pick they'd better hope that they can land Kobe this year or T-Mac the next.</div> First off both 1st rounders are lottery protected... the Knicks look to be heading into the playoffs so it's pretty safe to say they'll make it and Utah gets this pick. The future one is a lottery protected Knicks pick (which I think it's lottery protected for the Suns to get it). So no top 14 picks are being lost, but it's still a bad trade. Also losing picks won't help them get Kobe or T-Mac, in-fact using those picks would have helped in a sign and trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting scorbutic:</div><div class="quote_post">You'll have to explain how this is a decent trade for BOTH teams. The Suns give up 2 picks for nothing... both the players the Suns get are injured, Keon will be the only one returning, even if he does good what does it prove? The Suns won't make the playoffs and he's a FA this summer, unless they sign him, it's a waste, even if they do he isn't worth 3 draft picks. Plus on top of that the Suns could have signed him anyway (he's an Unrestricted FA). I don't think I'd concider Keon a "good post player" he's a good defensive shot blocker... but it remains to be seen if he can handle the center position all by himself in the West. The other guy is a throw in, I've never seen him play, and cause he's injured for the season, I won't get to. Also even if they get Kobe (which I've posted would be a bad move... it's in another thread I won't rehash it) how is this trade NOT a wash? It's not like the draft picks were taking up salary cap space... the Suns gain no future cap relief by doing this trade, it was useless and only made so the Suns would drop under a tax threshold they expect to be a certain amount... rich get richer, big deal! First off both 1st rounders are lottery protected... the Knicks look to be heading into the playoffs so it's pretty safe to say they'll make it and Utah gets this pick. The future one is a lottery protected Knicks pick (which I think it's lottery protected for the Suns to get it). So no top 14 picks are being lost, but it's still a bad trade. Also losing picks won't help them get Kobe or T-Mac, in-fact using those picks would have helped in a sign and trade.</div> I didn't think so, I was remarking that if either one of them were it would absolutely be a disasterous deal. As for Kobe and T-Mac, that was essentially in reference to them losing high picks and being under even more pressure to deliver another big name. You're right, losing picks does nothing to help the Suns bargaining power, losing first rounders will go a long way in weakening your leverage as a GM.
